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Lightning35 Delta514
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Posted - 2015.04.26 12:27:00 -
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Both the cloak and shimmer are WAY TO VISIBLE. And I'm not saying it from a scout point of view this time. This one match, I waited a bit before hacking an objective to get some kills and I saw 3 cloaks coming at be. I bolt pistoled 2 of them who were running. This were easily seen. The 3rd one stopped trying not to move but his cloak was VERY BLURRY. You can spot cloaks even if they are not moving. I headshotted that one and was satisfied.
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Mortishai Belmont
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Posted - 2015.04.26 12:32:00 -
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Yeah, 'cause dust needs magic cloaks of invisibility! Lol
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Francois Sanchez
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Posted - 2015.04.26 12:36:00 -
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The blurr when not moving it's fine as you need to look for it to spot it most of the time, however the shimmer should be dark, first because it makes more sense to hide in the shadows than in bright light, and second the human eye is more adapted to spot shiny things |
Clone D
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Posted - 2015.04.26 12:38:00 -
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I have a difficult time spotting moving cloaked mercs. In fact, sometimes, they run directly into my face, and they are completely invisible against the background, although they are moving.
Nerf cloaks. |
Knightshade Belladonna
Mannar Focused Warfare
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.04.26 12:42:00 -
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cloaks work more like camo , it's not some cloak of invisibilty from harry potter...
I like to think of the shimmer like those 'glitches' in the barriers on hunger games , they just haven't got the tech perfected yet hehe |
Aeon Amadi
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Posted - 2015.04.26 13:37:00 -
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Can you recall the times you didn't see the cloak?
Running for CPM was a mistake if only because I'm the only one who let it go
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Shamarskii Simon
The Hundred Acre Hood
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Posted - 2015.04.26 13:48:00 -
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Depends on TV tbh..
Had 480i and HOLY cloak was godly... I just got 'gibbed from right in front of me.
Switched to a larger screen , had it a little bit better.
Switched to 480p, and it feels about right.. Sometimes it's like "huh" other times it's like "mmhmm"
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DiablosMajora
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Posted - 2015.04.26 14:08:00 -
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Why not have different kinds of cloaks for different roles?
I think planetside does a decent job of this, including counters to cloaks (dat flashlight tho)
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Lightning35 Delta514
48TH SPECIAL OPERATIONS FORCE
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Posted - 2015.04.26 15:26:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Can you recall the times you didn't see the cloak?
When they weren't in front of me obviously. If they are behind me, I won't see them. I can see like 90% of cloaks in front of me at a decent distance. It could be the TV as well. Or I am just a REALLY GOOD CLOAK SPOTTER. LIKE SERIOUSLY. I WILL SPOT YOU REAL QUICK. it isn't that hard tbh. If you are aware. You will always just be aware and ready to spot a cloak in the blink of an eye. Just look for that blue shimmer or that still blur. It's easy trust me.
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Forever ETC
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2015.04.26 15:35:00 -
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Yeah I've noticed that too, I used to have to bring brightness down to 20 to spot them... Now I can have it at regular brightness(45-50).
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Posted - 2015.04.26 15:37:00 -
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Mortishai Belmont wrote:Yeah, 'cause dust needs magic cloaks of invisibility! Lol
Well, if they get spotted, they're dead since the delay nerf, sooooo maybe? |
SILENTSAM 69
SONS of LEGION
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Posted - 2015.04.26 15:40:00 -
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Considering they can not defend themselves by switching to a weapon right away when spotted they are essentially dead if they get in front of you.
What is the point of having a cloak in the game if you can not let anyone see you when you are using it?
I accept that there are lots of people who do not see half of the visible people in front of them anyway. People with a cloak can get by them. It is useless to have a clock against someone who actually watches their screen though. |
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Posted - 2015.04.26 15:41:00 -
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Lightning35 Delta514 wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:Can you recall the times you didn't see the cloak? When they weren't in front of me obviously. If they are behind me, I won't see them. I can see like 90% of cloaks in front of me at a decent distance. It could be the TV as well. Or I am just a REALLY GOOD CLOAK SPOTTER. LIKE SERIOUSLY. I WILL SPOT YOU REAL QUICK. it isn't that hard tbh. If you are aware. You will always just be aware and ready to spot a cloak in the blink of an eye. Just look for that blue shimmer or that still blur. It's easy trust me.
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Aeon Amadi
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Posted - 2015.04.26 15:53:00 -
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P14GU3 wrote:Lightning35 Delta514 wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:Can you recall the times you didn't see the cloak? When they weren't in front of me obviously. If they are behind me, I won't see them. I can see like 90% of cloaks in front of me at a decent distance. It could be the TV as well. Or I am just a REALLY GOOD CLOAK SPOTTER. LIKE SERIOUSLY. I WILL SPOT YOU REAL QUICK. it isn't that hard tbh. If you are aware. You will always just be aware and ready to spot a cloak in the blink of an eye. Just look for that blue shimmer or that still blur. It's easy trust me. Toupee fallacy..
Glad someone caught on.
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Dreis ShadowWeaver
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Posted - 2015.04.26 15:56:00 -
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The cloak seems fine IMO. I'm strongly opposed to any buff, lest we go back to Scout 514.
It is difficult to spot a cloaked Scout from a distance, which is good because it's meant to be a tool to get from cover to cover. It's not a combat cloak.
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Posted - 2015.04.26 16:00:00 -
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Posted - 2015.04.26 16:02:00 -
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Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote:The cloak seems fine IMO. I'm strongly opposed to any buff, lest we go back to Scout 514.
It is difficult to spot a cloaked Scout from a distance, which is good because it's meant to be a tool to get from cover to cover. It's not a combat cloak.
You know something is wrong when I can head shot cloak users with a sniper rifle from a mile away.
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Lightning35 Delta514
48TH SPECIAL OPERATIONS FORCE
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Posted - 2015.04.26 16:04:00 -
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Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote:The cloak seems fine IMO. I'm strongly opposed to any buff, lest we go back to Scout 514.
It is difficult to spot a cloaked Scout from a distance, which is good because it's meant to be a tool to get from cover to cover. It's not a combat cloak.
Last time I used it, it was used in combat and fighting. So YES, IT IS A COMBAT CLOAK
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Sir Dukey
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Posted - 2015.04.26 16:07:00 -
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Lightning35 Delta514 wrote:Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote:The cloak seems fine IMO. I'm strongly opposed to any buff, lest we go back to Scout 514.
It is difficult to spot a cloaked Scout from a distance, which is good because it's meant to be a tool to get from cover to cover. It's not a combat cloak. Last time I used it, it was used in combat and fighting. So YES, IT IS A COMBAT CLOAK
IMO, combat or not, it sucks at its job. I constantly get spotted by other players while crossing open terrain. It's even worse that people can kill me with pin point accuracy no matter how much strafey jumpy stuff I do.
"Skill for thee but no skill for me" so is the saying of the swarm infantry.
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One Eyed King
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2015.04.26 16:08:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Can you recall the times you didn't see the cloak?
Can you recall the times a heavy was right in front of you, but you didn't see them because you were distracted by something else in game?
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Aeon Amadi
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Posted - 2015.04.26 16:10:00 -
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One Eyed King wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:Can you recall the times you didn't see the cloak? Can you recall the times a heavy was right in front of you, but you didn't see them because you were distracted by something else in game?
-Blink-
What?
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Dreis ShadowWeaver
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Posted - 2015.04.26 16:12:00 -
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Lightning35 Delta514 wrote:Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote:The cloak seems fine IMO. I'm strongly opposed to any buff, lest we go back to Scout 514.
It is difficult to spot a cloaked Scout from a distance, which is good because it's meant to be a tool to get from cover to cover. It's not a combat cloak. Last time I used it, it was used in combat and fighting. So YES, IT IS A COMBAT CLOAK
That's not what it's purpose is.
Look at the 1.8 period, where you could instantly decloak, gank someone, and cloak right back up again. It didn't matter if you ran into any reds because you could instantly decloak and gank them. This was whilst we still had functional scans whilst we were cloaked too. At this time, it was performing as a combat cloak.
That's why it was nerfed though. It was performing as a combat cloak when that wasn't it's intended purpose. It was meant to be used as a tool to move across open ground with no cover, nothing more. To achieve this purpose, the cloak delay was added, as well as
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Lightning35 Delta514
48TH SPECIAL OPERATIONS FORCE
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Posted - 2015.04.26 16:12:00 -
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Sir Dukey wrote:Lightning35 Delta514 wrote:Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote:The cloak seems fine IMO. I'm strongly opposed to any buff, lest we go back to Scout 514.
It is difficult to spot a cloaked Scout from a distance, which is good because it's meant to be a tool to get from cover to cover. It's not a combat cloak. Last time I used it, it was used in combat and fighting. So YES, IT IS A COMBAT CLOAK IMO, combat or not, it sucks at its job. I constantly get spotted by other players while crossing open terrain. It's even worse that people can kill me with pin point accuracy no matter how much strafey jumpy stuff I do.
That's why I don't run scout any more. I'm waiting for CCP to fix them to use again CUZ IMMA PRO SCOUT da da da da
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Pocket Rocket Girl
Psygod9
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Posted - 2015.04.26 16:13:00 -
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Lightning35 Delta514 wrote:Both the cloak and shimmer are WAY TO VISIBLE. And I'm not saying it from a scout point of view this time. This one match, I waited a bit before hacking an objective to get some kills and I saw 3 cloaks coming at be. I bolt pistoled 2 of them who were running. This were easily seen. The 3rd one stopped trying not to move but his cloak was VERY BLURRY. You can spot cloaks even if they are not moving. I headshotted that one and was satisfied.
BUFF THE CLOAK
were you guys fighting in the sunlight or was there something blocking the sun light like indoors or the shadows. ive noticed its easier to see cloaks in shadows than in direct sun light even certian maps are bad for scouting
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Dreis ShadowWeaver
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Posted - 2015.04.26 16:15:00 -
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Lightning35 Delta514 wrote:Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote:The cloak seems fine IMO. I'm strongly opposed to any buff, lest we go back to Scout 514.
It is difficult to spot a cloaked Scout from a distance, which is good because it's meant to be a tool to get from cover to cover. It's not a combat cloak. Last time I used it, it was used in combat and fighting. So YES, IT IS A COMBAT CLOAK
severely limiting a Scout's scan radius while cloaked. All the nerfs suggest that it's not meant to be used as a combat cloak.
Sure, you can try to use it as a combat cloak, but that's not what it's intended for, and you would probably just be hurting yourself by trying.
Cloaks: working as intended.
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Posted - 2015.04.26 16:15:00 -
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P14GU3 wrote:Lightning35 Delta514 wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:Can you recall the times you didn't see the cloak? When they weren't in front of me obviously. If they are behind me, I won't see them. I can see like 90% of cloaks in front of me at a decent distance. It could be the TV as well. Or I am just a REALLY GOOD CLOAK SPOTTER. LIKE SERIOUSLY. I WILL SPOT YOU REAL QUICK. it isn't that hard tbh. If you are aware. You will always just be aware and ready to spot a cloak in the blink of an eye. Just look for that blue shimmer or that still blur. It's easy trust me. Toupee fallacy..
Toupee fallacy ONLY works when someone says they ALWAYS see the cloak.
If you don't understand a fallacy, don't quote it...
If you don't have empirical evidence to demonstrate his subjective opinion of seeing 90% of cloaked mercs number is inaccurate, then your subjective opinion of how often people cloaked go unseen is no more or less relevant.
You can disagree with someone's observations, and state your own, but without hard evidence, you can't pretend it is fact.
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Lightning35 Delta514
48TH SPECIAL OPERATIONS FORCE
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Posted - 2015.04.26 16:17:00 -
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Pocket Rocket Girl wrote:Lightning35 Delta514 wrote:Both the cloak and shimmer are WAY TO VISIBLE. And I'm not saying it from a scout point of view this time. This one match, I waited a bit before hacking an objective to get some kills and I saw 3 cloaks coming at be. I bolt pistoled 2 of them who were running. This were easily seen. The 3rd one stopped trying not to move but his cloak was VERY BLURRY. You can spot cloaks even if they are not moving. I headshotted that one and was satisfied.
BUFF THE CLOAK were you guys fighting in the sunlight or was there something blocking the sun light like indoors or the shadows. ive noticed its easier to see cloaks in shadows than in direct sun light even certian maps are bad for scouting
That one match was sunlight I think but tbh I can spot them on ANY MAP. It's not that hard. Adjust your tv screen and shoot ANYTHING THAT MOVES that isn't blue or green
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Posted - 2015.04.26 16:19:00 -
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The only thing the cloak protects you from is the peripheral vision of someone who's just running buy, as well as some scans.
I agree, buff it.
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Pocket Rocket Girl
Psygod9
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Posted - 2015.04.26 16:24:00 -
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Lightning35 Delta514 wrote:Pocket Rocket Girl wrote:Lightning35 Delta514 wrote:Both the cloak and shimmer are WAY TO VISIBLE. And I'm not saying it from a scout point of view this time. This one match, I waited a bit before hacking an objective to get some kills and I saw 3 cloaks coming at be. I bolt pistoled 2 of them who were running. This were easily seen. The 3rd one stopped trying not to move but his cloak was VERY BLURRY. You can spot cloaks even if they are not moving. I headshotted that one and was satisfied.
BUFF THE CLOAK were you guys fighting in the sunlight or was there something blocking the sun light like indoors or the shadows. ive noticed its easier to see cloaks in shadows than in direct sun light even certian maps are bad for scouting That one match was sunlight I think but tbh I can spot them on ANY MAP. It's not that hard. Adjust your tv screen and shoot ANYTHING THAT MOVES that isn't blue or green
so you changed your setting to make it easier for you to see cloaks in stead of using the games recommended settings, which i assume would make the cloak harder to see.
wht sort of scout were they you know not every scout uses E-war
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One Eyed King
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Posted - 2015.04.26 16:25:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:One Eyed King wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:Can you recall the times you didn't see the cloak? Can you recall the times a heavy was right in front of you, but you didn't see them because you were distracted by something else in game? -Blink- What?
Your are trying to make the point that someone can't know what they don't know, ie the times that someone who is cloaked actually goes unseen.
You state this as an argument that the cloak works as intended, despite the fact that many times the cloaks ARE seen.
My point is that there is more at play. Consider the case of the Invisible Gorilla , in which you focus on one thing so much (say an Assault directly in front of you using cover and firing), that you don't even see the heavy right next to him that is fully visible.
My argument is that there is more at play in whether you "see" something.
We need to stop basing the arguments on how often cloaked scouts go unnoticed, because you can't know that information!
What we CAN base it off of is how many times we DO see cloakers. Especially in light of the nerfs that have severely weakened the already weak suits using them.
Contrary to Lightening's belief, it is NOT intended to be a combat cloak. It IS intended to allow very squishy suits the ability to move about the periphery of fighting safely. If there are too many instances where being cloaked is not helpful enough to allow that to happen, then it is not working optimally.
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Posted - 2015.04.26 16:31:00 -
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I moslty on catch them when I spot them running in an angle to my view, cutting across. if they right in front of me running straight ahead, most times I don't even notice..then they cut and i'm like you mothafkr tryin sneak me!! Boom!
I'm thinking though that it's me , not that cloaks don't glimmer that way.. I'm to focused on whats in front , looking for a fully visible dude..but like a cat , I see a fly off in the corner my eyes go to it quick..that's what them cloaks are to me...that fly off to the side heh |
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Posted - 2015.04.26 16:35:00 -
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One Eyed King wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:One Eyed King wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:Can you recall the times you didn't see the cloak? Can you recall the times a heavy was right in front of you, but you didn't see them because you were distracted by something else in game? -Blink- What? Your are trying to make the point that someone can't know what they don't know, ie the times that someone who is cloaked actually goes unseen. You state this as an argument that the cloak works as intended, despite the fact that many times the cloaks ARE seen. My point is that there is more at play. Consider the case of the Invisible Gorilla , in which you focus on one thing so much (say an Assault directly in front of you using cover and firing), that you don't even see the heavy right next to him that is fully visible. My argument is that there is more at play in whether you "see" something. We need to stop basing the arguments on how often cloaked scouts go unnoticed, because you can't know that information!What we CAN base it off of is how many times we DO see cloakers. Especially in light of the nerfs that have severely weakened the already weak suits using them. Contrary to Lightening's belief, it is NOT intended to be a combat cloak. It IS intended to allow very squishy suits the ability to move about the periphery of fighting safely. If there are too many instances where being cloaked is not helpful enough to allow that to happen, then it is not working optimally.
I kinda stopped reading because I don't care, lol. Just being brutally honest. It's 11:30 AM and I haven't gone to lunch yet.
Based on your first couple of sentences I'll just say this: The cloak works sometimes, the cloak doesn't work sometimes - just leave it alone and it won't be broken for either the user or the viewer. I really could care less what anyone thinks, it's fine the way it is right now. Sometimes you'll see it, sometimes you won't; that's all it really needs to be. No point in making it 100% effective or 100% ineffective.
Running for CPM was a mistake if only because I'm the only one who let it go
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One Eyed King
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Posted - 2015.04.26 16:39:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote: I really could care less what anyone thinks, it's fine the way it is right now.
Noted.
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Posted - 2015.04.26 16:40:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:I kinda stopped reading because I don't care, lol. Just being brutally honest. It's 11:30 AM and I haven't gone to lunch yet.
Aeon Amadi wrote:I really could care less what anyone thinks.
^ CPM material.
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Posted - 2015.04.26 16:41:00 -
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One Eyed King wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote: I really could care less what anyone thinks, it's fine the way it is right now. Noted.
I'm a bit jaded from having to argue every little opinion I have, sorry mate. Only people I gotta convince are the Blue Tags.
Running for CPM was a mistake if only because I'm the only one who let it go
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Posted - 2015.04.26 16:42:00 -
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Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:I kinda stopped reading because I don't care, lol. Just being brutally honest. It's 11:30 AM and I haven't gone to lunch yet. Aeon Amadi wrote:I really could care less what anyone thinks. ^ CPM material.
damn!!!! that's a burn worse than grabbin the tray out oven at 2 a.m drunk and forgettin the mit! |
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Posted - 2015.04.26 16:42:00 -
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Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:I kinda stopped reading because I don't care, lol. Just being brutally honest. It's 11:30 AM and I haven't gone to lunch yet. Aeon Amadi wrote:I really could care less what anyone thinks. ^ CPM material.
Video for you
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Posted - 2015.04.26 16:44:00 -
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Knightshade Belladonna wrote:Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:I kinda stopped reading because I don't care, lol. Just being brutally honest. It's 11:30 AM and I haven't gone to lunch yet. Aeon Amadi wrote:I really could care less what anyone thinks. ^ CPM material. damn!!!! that's a burn worse than grabbin the tray out oven at 2 a.m drunk and forgettin the mit!
Worse than Judge Rhadamanthus? Doubtful.
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Posted - 2015.04.26 16:45:00 -
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Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:I kinda stopped reading because I don't care, lol. Just being brutally honest. It's 11:30 AM and I haven't gone to lunch yet. Aeon Amadi wrote:I really could care less what anyone thinks. ^ CPM material.
What'd you ever do for the community, if I may ask?
Running for CPM was a mistake if only because I'm the only one who let it go
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Ralden Caster
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Posted - 2015.04.26 16:46:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Can you recall the times you didn't see the cloak?
Before uprising 1.8, they were completely unseen on the battlefield.
My pants are on fire.
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Posted - 2015.04.26 16:49:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:I kinda stopped reading because I don't care, lol. Just being brutally honest. It's 11:30 AM and I haven't gone to lunch yet. Aeon Amadi wrote:I really could care less what anyone thinks. ^ CPM material. Video for you
I don't know what's sadder..that you knew that song to link it...or that I actually stayed on it, watched it..sang with it..and even shed a tear while my dog and cats freaked out..cus yeh.. I ain't no singer
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Posted - 2015.04.26 16:51:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:I kinda stopped reading because I don't care, lol. Just being brutally honest. It's 11:30 AM and I haven't gone to lunch yet. Aeon Amadi wrote:I really could care less what anyone thinks. ^ CPM material. Video for you
That is actually so applicable to you. 
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Posted - 2015.04.26 16:52:00 -
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Thanks Aeon , now that **** be stuck in my head!! |
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Posted - 2015.04.26 16:53:00 -
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Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:I kinda stopped reading because I don't care, lol. Just being brutally honest. It's 11:30 AM and I haven't gone to lunch yet. Aeon Amadi wrote:I really could care less what anyone thinks. ^ CPM material. Video for you That is actually so applicable to you.
Hey, bro, I'm not the one constantly bringing it up lmfao
But for real though what do you do for the community? Do you like, record vids? Make tutorials? Do you do spreadsheets? Do you like, draw stuff - I'm trying to figure you out man, talk to me, I dunno who you are
You guys are like a broken record with this "CPM material" business xD Let it go
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VALCORE72
Vengeance Unbound
RUST415
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Posted - 2015.04.26 16:56:00 -
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are you nuts lol . cloaks plus ewar and every alpha weapon in game on them? . scouts are fine. nub scouts need to stop attacking head on . they are fa,g suits . rear attack works best.
asian haters united lol .
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Knightshade Belladonna
Mannar Focused Warfare
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.04.26 16:57:00 -
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He is the weaver of shadows man, you don't question someone with that kind of talent and title. You catch a posion dart to the back of the neck from the tree-tops that way. |
Aeon Amadi
Ahrendee Inc.
Negative-Feedback
9678
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Posted - 2015.04.26 17:00:00 -
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Knightshade Belladonna wrote:He is the weaver of shadows man, you don't question someone with that kind of talent and title. You catch a posion dart to the back of the neck from the tree-tops that way.
Nah nah nah, don't misunderstand me, like - I get that he's skilled in listening to emo music or whatever but what does he do for the community is all I'm askin', like, real talk
I mean, did he run for the CPM? I don't remember seeing him on the candidates list I just wanna know, like, what he does around here, naw meen?
Cause, like, yanno, I figure if you're gonna troll you gotta at least have some merit yourself, right? Not just some random neck beard who just goes on the forums and talks trash? That doesn't happen, does it?
You guys are like a broken record with this "CPM material" business xD Let it go
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Dreis ShadowWeaver
0uter.Heaven
Back and Forth
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Posted - 2015.04.26 17:03:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:I kinda stopped reading because I don't care, lol. Just being brutally honest. It's 11:30 AM and I haven't gone to lunch yet. Aeon Amadi wrote:I really could care less what anyone thinks. ^ CPM material. What'd you ever do for the community, if I may ask?
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2742810#post2742810
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Knightshade Belladonna
Mannar Focused Warfare
Gallente Federation
1209
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Posted - 2015.04.26 17:05:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Knightshade Belladonna wrote:He is the weaver of shadows man, you don't question someone with that kind of talent and title. You catch a posion dart to the back of the neck from the tree-tops that way. Nah nah nah, don't misunderstand me, like - I get that he's skilled in listening to emo music or whatever but what does he do for the community is all I'm askin', like, real talk I mean, did he run for the CPM? I don't remember seeing him on the candidates list I just wanna know, like, what he does around here, naw meen? Cause, like, yanno, I figure if you're gonna troll you gotta at least have some merit yourself, right? Not just some random neck beard who just goes on the forums and talks trash? That doesn't happen, does it?
I once sniped a sniper, justice was served for the community. Do I merit input?
Anyone still showing an interest in this game has a right to say anything. Don't take his jab too hard, we get it, you put in work and his might not match up to your amount. |
Lupus Wolf
Minmatar Republic
257
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Posted - 2015.04.26 17:10:00 -
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Sir Dukey wrote:Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote:The cloak seems fine IMO. I'm strongly opposed to any buff, lest we go back to Scout 514.
It is difficult to spot a cloaked Scout from a distance, which is good because it's meant to be a tool to get from cover to cover. It's not a combat cloak. You know something is wrong when I can head shot cloak users with a sniper rifle from a mile away.
That's because when you're sniping, you're specifically looking for these sort of things...
Not when you're in the thick of battle and you have multiple things to pay attention to.
"Dogfighting with missiles is like watching two armless kids try to catch a baseball." - Dust Fiend
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Aeon Amadi
Ahrendee Inc.
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9680
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Posted - 2015.04.26 17:12:00 -
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Knightshade Belladonna wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:Knightshade Belladonna wrote:He is the weaver of shadows man, you don't question someone with that kind of talent and title. You catch a posion dart to the back of the neck from the tree-tops that way. Nah nah nah, don't misunderstand me, like - I get that he's skilled in listening to emo music or whatever but what does he do for the community is all I'm askin', like, real talk I mean, did he run for the CPM? I don't remember seeing him on the candidates list I just wanna know, like, what he does around here, naw meen? Cause, like, yanno, I figure if you're gonna troll you gotta at least have some merit yourself, right? Not just some random neck beard who just goes on the forums and talks trash? That doesn't happen, does it? I once sniped a sniper, justice was served for the community. Do I merit input? Anyone still showing an interest in this game has a right to say anything. Don't take his jab too hard, we get it, you put in work and his might not match up to your amount.
Not even about that, just tired of prissy bitches acting like I'm on some pedestal. Dude does what he does, I do what I do - I'm not talking **** first opportunity he gives me, I'd at least like that same respect.
You guys are like a broken record with this "CPM material" business xD Let it go
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Thumb Green
The Valyrian Mercenary Army
2328
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Posted - 2015.04.26 17:21:00 -
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I have trouble spotting them even after spotting them but then again I also don't fiddle with the video settings (in-game nor TV) to give myself an advantage in seeing them.
Play the fucking objective you goddamn dipshits.
Rated [TV-MA]
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killian178
Random Gunz
Rise Of Legion.
148
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Posted - 2015.04.26 17:24:00 -
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I'd be fine with how it is if your cross hairs wouldn't turn red on someone who's cloaked
Join channel blkmrkt for safe scam free tades, when it's here anyway......
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Flaylock Steve
Nos Nothi
759
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Posted - 2015.04.26 17:24:00 -
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Clone D wrote:I have a difficult time spotting moving cloaked mercs. In fact, sometimes, they run directly into my face, and they are completely invisible against the background, although they are moving.
Nerf cloaks.
Cloaks just need to be redone. If you're having a bad time spotting cloaks then you must have poor situational awareness.
Because if it's true that they run directly at you and you don't spot them its just lol. If a cloaked merc runs directly in front of you, your crosshair will turn red. I've had snipers shot me while cloaked, and no it wasn't a stray shot. It's when I'm alone, damped and still they pick up the shimmer. Honestly even though most of my fits do have cloaks I still hardly use them. Only to hack and still thats not every time. Cloaks put scouts more at a disadvantage with it vs without it unless running across open land then yea its somewhat okay to use. |
DDx77
The Exemplars
217
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Posted - 2015.04.26 17:25:00 -
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When it first came out it was the greatest can't wait for thing ever
Seen then It's been one nerf after the other
Some maps you can see it some you cant
Either variants with different shimmers/ stats or just reduce the shimmer
May the Dark shine your way
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Eruditus 920
Nemo Malus Felix
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Posted - 2015.04.26 17:28:00 -
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Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote:Lightning35 Delta514 wrote:Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote:The cloak seems fine IMO. I'm strongly opposed to any buff, lest we go back to Scout 514.
It is difficult to spot a cloaked Scout from a distance, which is good because it's meant to be a tool to get from cover to cover. It's not a combat cloak. Last time I used it, it was used in combat and fighting. So YES, IT IS A COMBAT CLOAK That's not what it's purpose is. Look at the 1.8 period, where you could instantly decloak, gank someone, and cloak right back up again. It didn't matter if you ran into any reds because you could instantly decloak and gank them. This was whilst we still had functional scans whilst we were cloaked too. At this time, it was performing as a combat cloak. That's why it was nerfed though. It was performing as a combat cloak when that wasn't it's intended purpose. It was meant to be used as a tool to move across open ground with no cover, nothing more. To achieve this purpose, the cloak delay was added, as well as
" Regardless of the original intent, everything in war ultimately ends up being used to kill, so weGÇÖre nervous and excited about cloaking and look forward to seeing how itGÇÖll be used to shape the battlefields of New Eden."
-CCP Remnant
http://dust514.com/news/blog/2014/03/equipment-uprising-1.8/?_ga=1.75380050.1758309726.1422928976
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Dreis ShadowWeaver
0uter.Heaven
Back and Forth
3188
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Posted - 2015.04.26 17:33:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Not even about that, just tired of prissy bitches acting like I'm on some pedestal. Dude does what he does, I do what I do - I'm not talking **** first opportunity he gives me, I'd at least like that same respect.
Actually, you did start talking ****, where you essentially said 'Your opinion is worthless' to One Eyed King.
Forget the CPM nonsense, which was just a jibe, and for that, I apologise.
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Knightshade Belladonna
Mannar Focused Warfare
Gallente Federation
1210
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Posted - 2015.04.26 17:35:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Knightshade Belladonna wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:Knightshade Belladonna wrote:He is the weaver of shadows man, you don't question someone with that kind of talent and title. You catch a posion dart to the back of the neck from the tree-tops that way. Nah nah nah, don't misunderstand me, like - I get that he's skilled in listening to emo music or whatever but what does he do for the community is all I'm askin', like, real talk I mean, did he run for the CPM? I don't remember seeing him on the candidates list I just wanna know, like, what he does around here, naw meen? Cause, like, yanno, I figure if you're gonna troll you gotta at least have some merit yourself, right? Not just some random neck beard who just goes on the forums and talks trash? That doesn't happen, does it? I once sniped a sniper, justice was served for the community. Do I merit input? Anyone still showing an interest in this game has a right to say anything. Don't take his jab too hard, we get it, you put in work and his might not match up to your amount. Not even about that, just tired of prissy bitches acting like I'm on some pedestal. Dude does what he does, I do what I do - I'm not talking **** first opportunity he gives me, I'd at least like that same respect.
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Varoth Drac
Dead Man's Game
RUST415
741
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Posted - 2015.04.26 17:37:00 -
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The other day, a corp mate in my squad was laughing at me, due to how much my blue cloak shimmer stuck out as I tried to sneak around.
From the perspective of using cloaks, I do seem to be spotted whilst cloaked frustratingly quickly. Obviously I expect to be seen If I run in front of someone, but getting spotted often when at a distance and in peripheral vision is pretty annoying.
I fully agree that cloaks should act like camo rather than full invisibility. Despite what some people claim, using a cloak successfully takes skill. Full invisibility would destroy that element of stealth gameplay.
I do feel though, that a reduction, or darkening, of the shimmer is needed.
Cloaks, in their old form were op. This is because they could be used very effectively for ganking people. This involved mainly operating in built up areas where you could track enemies with passive scans whilst cloaked, and pounce on people with a shotgun. The cloak increases the time it takes for people to react to you as it takes time to be spotted. The scans and instant decloak allowed you to make sure there was rarely enough time for enemies to react before it was too late. You could then quickly dive back into cover and repeat.
The introduction of cloak blind and delay has made this technique pretty much impossible. With this use of cloaks removed it highlights the other, more beneficial to the game, use for cloaks. This being infiltration and movement without being spotted / killed. It now appears that the level of camouflage provided by a cloak is sufficient to perform this role, but perhaps not sufficient to perform the role well. As a result many scouts don't bother with cloaks at all and the capabilities of a scout beyond direct combat are diminished.
Following the long awaited, major buffs to assaults, cloaks are one of the few things that distinguishes scouts and gives them a purpose.
TLDR: Seems to me the shimmer should be darkened a bit. |
Knightshade Belladonna
Mannar Focused Warfare
Gallente Federation
1210
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Posted - 2015.04.26 17:38:00 -
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Flaylock Steve wrote:Clone D wrote:I have a difficult time spotting moving cloaked mercs. In fact, sometimes, they run directly into my face, and they are completely invisible against the background, although they are moving.
Nerf cloaks. Cloaks just need to be redone. If you're having a bad time spotting cloaks then you must have poor situational awareness. Because if it's true that they run directly at you and you don't spot them its just lol. If a cloaked merc runs directly in front of you, your crosshair will turn red. I've had snipers shot me while cloaked, and no it wasn't a stray shot. It's when I'm alone, damped and still they pick up the shimmer. Honestly even though most of my fits do have cloaks I still hardly use them. Only to hack and still thats not every time. Cloaks put scouts more at a disadvantage with it vs without it unless running across open land then yea its somewhat okay to use.
lol, wow.. i'm such a noob still.
All this time I have played this game..I never knew the crosshairs would light red hovering over someone...seriously, no joke hah
That could be because I have a problem with pulling triggers instantly and only noticing hit contact../shrug
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Aeon Amadi
Ahrendee Inc.
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9686
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Posted - 2015.04.26 17:42:00 -
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Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:Not even about that, just tired of prissy bitches acting like I'm on some pedestal. Dude does what he does, I do what I do - I'm not talking **** first opportunity he gives me, I'd at least like that same respect. Actually, you did start talking ****, where you essentially said 'Your opinion is worthless' to One Eyed King. Forget the CPM nonsense, which was just a jibe, and for that, I apologise.
Yeah, and that's between me and One Eyed King because he's a superficial troll who makes an effort to contradict every post I make - I accepted that a long time ago and quit trying to reason with the dude and as such, I don't really care to read long posts that basically just sums up to "you're wrong" with perfect consistency. Has absolutely nothing to do with you so don't go off making it your problem. Peachy keen? Peachy keen.
You guys are like a broken record with this "CPM material" business xD Let it go
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Knightshade Belladonna
Mannar Focused Warfare
Gallente Federation
1210
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Posted - 2015.04.26 17:42:00 -
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Varoth Drac wrote:The other day, a corp mate in my squad was laughing at me, due to how much my blue cloak shimmer stuck out as I tried to sneak around.
From the perspective of using cloaks, I do seem to be spotted whilst cloaked frustratingly quickly. Obviously I expect to be seen If I run in front of someone, but getting spotted often when at a distance and in peripheral vision is pretty annoying.
I fully agree that cloaks should act like camo rather than full invisibility. Despite what some people claim, using a cloak successfully takes skill. Full invisibility would destroy that element of stealth gameplay.
I do feel though, that a reduction, or darkening, of the shimmer is needed.
Cloaks, in their old form were op. This is because they could be used very effectively for ganking people. This involved mainly operating in built up areas where you could track enemies with passive scans whilst cloaked, and pounce on people with a shotgun. The cloak increases the time it takes for people to react to you as it takes time to be spotted. The scans and instant decloak allowed you to make sure there was rarely enough time for enemies to react before it was too late. You could then quickly dive back into cover and repeat.
The introduction of cloak blind and delay has made this technique pretty much impossible. With this use of cloaks removed it highlights the other, more beneficial to the game, use for cloaks. This being infiltration and movement without being spotted / killed. It now appears that the level of camouflage provided by a cloak is sufficient to perform this role, but perhaps not sufficient to perform the role well. As a result many scouts don't bother with cloaks at all and the capabilities of a scout beyond direct combat are diminished.
Following the long awaited, major buffs to assaults, cloaks are one of the few things that distinguishes scouts and gives them a purpose.
TLDR: Seems to me the shimmer should be darkened a bit.
You bring up a good argument. After all the nerfs it hit, it should get a buff ( if you want to even call it that) by decreasing the visibility some.
Some say that standard settings won't show them easily, and you only see if you upped the settings. I have never touched mine, at all, and I still see them. I don't know if that's because i'm actually using a monitor for gaming though..and not a t.v.
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7th Son 7
Escrow Removal and Acquisition
796
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Posted - 2015.04.26 17:54:00 -
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You can still lose track of a cloaked scout even when you know exactly where he went, from time to time. Seems like they're working fine to me.
Always mystify, mislead and surprise the enemy if possible........--- Stonewall Jackson
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Varoth Drac
Dead Man's Game
RUST415
741
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Posted - 2015.04.26 17:57:00 -
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Knightshade Belladonna wrote:You bring up a good argument. After all the nerfs it hit, it should get a buff ( if you want to even call it that) by decreasing the visibility some.
Some say that standard settings won't show them easily, and you only see if you upped the settings. I have never touched mine, at all, and I still see them. I don't know if that's because i'm actually using a monitor for gaming though..and not a t.v.
I seem to see cloaks pretty easily with a TV, without changing any settings. Though obviously it's difficult to guess exactly how often I spot cloaked scouts as if I didn't see them, I didn't see them. |
P14GU3
UNIVERSAL C.A.R.N.A.G.E
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Posted - 2015.04.26 17:59:00 -
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One Eyed King wrote:P14GU3 wrote:Lightning35 Delta514 wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:Can you recall the times you didn't see the cloak? When they weren't in front of me obviously. If they are behind me, I won't see them. I can see like 90% of cloaks in front of me at a decent distance. It could be the TV as well. Or I am just a REALLY GOOD CLOAK SPOTTER. LIKE SERIOUSLY. I WILL SPOT YOU REAL QUICK. it isn't that hard tbh. If you are aware. You will always just be aware and ready to spot a cloak in the blink of an eye. Just look for that blue shimmer or that still blur. It's easy trust me. Toupee fallacy.. Toupee fallacy ONLY works when someone says they ALWAYS see the cloak.If you don't understand a fallacy, don't quote it... If you don't have empirical evidence to demonstrate his subjective opinion of seeing 90% of cloaked mercs number is inaccurate, then your subjective opinion of how often people cloaked go unseen is no more or less relevant. You can disagree with someone's observations, and state your own, but without hard evidence, you can't pretend it is fact.
90% of butthurt scouts claim that cloakers are seen 90% of the time.
Have empirical evidence to prove me wrong?
'Sault AK.0 - Logi AK.0 - Logi GK.0 - Scout GK.0 - 'Mando MK.0 - Masshole in every sense of the word.
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Flaylock Steve
Nos Nothi
760
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Posted - 2015.04.26 18:14:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:One Eyed King wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote: I really could care less what anyone thinks, it's fine the way it is right now. Noted. I'm a bit jaded from having to argue every little opinion I have, sorry mate. Only people I gotta convince are the Blue Tags.
You shouldn't even run, what help can you provide if you tell us you don't even care about our opinion? Even the blue tags listen to us, they ask for our feedback. You just stomp on anyones feedback that differs from yours...... |
Dreis ShadowWeaver
0uter.Heaven
Back and Forth
3191
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Posted - 2015.04.26 18:23:00 -
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Flaylock Steve wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:One Eyed King wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote: I really could care less what anyone thinks, it's fine the way it is right now. Noted. I'm a bit jaded from having to argue every little opinion I have, sorry mate. Only people I gotta convince are the Blue Tags. You shouldn't even run, what help can you provide if you tell us you don't even care about our opinion? Even the blue tags listen to us, they ask for our feedback. You just stomp on anyones feedback that differs from yours......
\o/
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Aeon Amadi
Ahrendee Inc.
Negative-Feedback
9720
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Posted - 2015.04.26 18:26:00 -
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Flaylock Steve wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:One Eyed King wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote: I really could care less what anyone thinks, it's fine the way it is right now. Noted. I'm a bit jaded from having to argue every little opinion I have, sorry mate. Only people I gotta convince are the Blue Tags. You shouldn't even run, what help can you provide if you tell us you don't even care about our opinion? Even the blue tags listen to us, they ask for our feedback. You just stomp on anyones feedback that differs from yours......
Are you high?
No seriously, like - are you high? Do you just parrot stuff because you see "Aeon Amadi" in the thread and instantly thought, "BOY THIS IS A PERFECT OPPORTUNITY TO SHOW MUCH OF A JACKASS I CAN BE!"
That's all I can think bro. Because if you payed even -the slightest bit of attention- you'd know that I had absolutely no intentions of running for CPM 2 and hate the very notion fo it. You'd know that I don't need some stupid white tag to feel good about myself and be the drive to go and do those community-driven things that -I still occasionally do- despite posts like this constantly trying to drive me down because some ignorant nobody came along and figured they'd try to sound important.
And no, I stomp on anyone's feedback that differs from mine whenever they contradict me at every single turn. One Eyed King and I have -never- gotten along and I'm fairly sure we're all aware of that by now. Just because we don't agree, and likely never will, doesn't mean I'm not going to include him in on any of the community driven stuff that I actually do like the PSD if I ever get around to actually shouldering that weight again - what with the fact that it was basically just me doing it anyway.
But yanno, feel free to step up any time and shoulder some weight yourself and do something. Hell, I challenge you, personally, to go off and do something community driven. That doesn't mean go and argue with a bunch of people on the forums, that doesn't mean go and start liking a bunch of posts you agree with, I mean actually sit down and work some magic that betters the community as a whole - even the people you don't agree with.
Go do that, then you can come over here and start telling people who should or shouldn't run for the CPM. Even though those people aren't running anyway because they recognize you don't have to have the CPM moniker to do stuff around here.
EDIT: And yes, to educate you a bit on how things are run around here, a CPM member can and probably will disagree - sometimes quite verbally - with what someone else says. You're no good to anyone if you just go around agreeing with everything. CPM member that 'represents everyone' is a liar.
You guys are like a broken record with this "CPM material" business xD Let it go
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
9228
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Posted - 2015.04.26 18:29:00 -
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Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote:Lightning35 Delta514 wrote:Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote:The cloak seems fine IMO. I'm strongly opposed to any buff, lest we go back to Scout 514.
It is difficult to spot a cloaked Scout from a distance, which is good because it's meant to be a tool to get from cover to cover. It's not a combat cloak. Last time I used it, it was used in combat and fighting. So YES, IT IS A COMBAT CLOAK That's not what it's purpose is. Look at the 1.8 period, where you could instantly decloak, gank someone, and cloak right back up again. It didn't matter if you ran into any reds because you could instantly decloak and gank them. This was whilst we still had functional scans whilst we were cloaked too. At this time, it was performing as a combat cloak. That's why it was nerfed though. It was performing as a combat cloak when that wasn't it's intended purpose. It was meant to be used as a tool to move across open ground with no cover, nothing more. To achieve this purpose, the cloak delay was added, as well as
True: Not meant to be a combat tool.
False: Difficult to spot cloak at a distance.
While sniping, I routinely spot cloaked units crossing open terrain at long range. Try it.
Shoot scout with yes.
- Ripley Riley
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Clone D
Solo Zen
1698
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Posted - 2015.04.26 18:29:00 -
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Sir Dukey wrote:Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote:The cloak seems fine IMO. I'm strongly opposed to any buff, lest we go back to Scout 514.
It is difficult to spot a cloaked Scout from a distance, which is good because it's meant to be a tool to get from cover to cover. It's not a combat cloak. You know something is wrong when I can head shot cloak users with a sniper rifle from a mile away.
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Knightshade Belladonna
Mannar Focused Warfare
Gallente Federation
1216
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Posted - 2015.04.26 18:29:00 -
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I wanna be high :(
what's the PSD you mentioned Aeon? Curious what it is, have not heard of it..or atleast by that title. I had a long vactaion, I missed a lot of stuff. |
One Eyed King
Nos Nothi
9769
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Posted - 2015.04.26 18:29:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:One Eyed King wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote: I really could care less what anyone thinks, it's fine the way it is right now. Noted. I'm a bit jaded from having to argue every little opinion I have, sorry mate. Only people I gotta convince are the Blue Tags.
Everyone has to argue every little opinion they have.
Including the OP to which you rightly challenged.
Let me know when you are ready to have discussions again, til then I will let you be.
Former CEO of the Land of the BIind.
Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
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One Eyed King
Nos Nothi
9769
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Posted - 2015.04.26 18:31:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Knightshade Belladonna wrote:Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:I kinda stopped reading because I don't care, lol. Just being brutally honest. It's 11:30 AM and I haven't gone to lunch yet. Aeon Amadi wrote:I really could care less what anyone thinks. ^ CPM material. damn!!!! that's a burn worse than grabbin the tray out oven at 2 a.m drunk and forgettin the mit! Worse than Judge Rhadamanthus? Doubtful.
While true, you aren't really using a high, or even medium standard.
Former CEO of the Land of the BIind.
Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
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Keeriam Miray
Nos Nothi
488
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Posted - 2015.04.26 18:35:00 -
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Current cloaks good for two things: standing still while cloaked & avoid view scan while standing still cloaked.
I was sniping them 550m away before SR range nerf, still sniping at max distance, it's even more easy (after myofibs change) with speedy-jump paper fits. They are killed with railgun tanks 200-250m away while cloaked.
Combat or not, it's almost useless, if you can spot & kill running cloaked scout (with all disadvantage it has) more than 50m away with SR or railgun tank. I say it's not working as intended even being non-combat cloak.
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Aeon Amadi
Ahrendee Inc.
Negative-Feedback
9721
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Posted - 2015.04.26 18:37:00 -
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Knightshade Belladonna wrote:I wanna be high :(
what's the PSD you mentioned Aeon? Curious what it is, have not heard of it..or atleast by that title. I had a long vactaion, I missed a lot of stuff.
Stickied in General Discussions
One Eyed King wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:One Eyed King wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote: I really could care less what anyone thinks, it's fine the way it is right now. Noted. I'm a bit jaded from having to argue every little opinion I have, sorry mate. Only people I gotta convince are the Blue Tags. Everyone has to argue every little opinion they have. Including the OP to which you rightly challenged. Let me know when you are ready to have discussions again, til then I will let you be.
And this is why I don't argue with you - because not everyone's opinion has to be openly challenged and the sooner you realize that the better. I asked a question, I didn't "challenge" the OP I just wanted to see if he had considered the plausibility that if he hadn't seen a cloaked user then it was working correctly.
Like, for real, I'm -really- not in the mood to argue with you about every little thing, dude, and going into this conversation with that mentality isn't doing you kudos either. You wanna play the square and think I'm like some dude on a pedestal that needs to be brought down a few notches, you go right ahead. More power to you, buddy, you show the man who's boss. But today? Just not in the mood to get into a multi-page long debate over something I really don't care about (cloaking) with someone who I really don't want to argue with (you) yet again because I know it's not going to go anywhere (ever).
Don't mistake me, I'm totally down for discussions - just not with someone that isn't ready or willing to listen or compromise.
You guys are like a broken record with this "CPM material" business xD Let it go
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Knightshade Belladonna
Mannar Focused Warfare
Gallente Federation
1217
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Posted - 2015.04.26 18:48:00 -
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ohhhh, the Planetary Services Department , lol , I wasn't thinking. Thanks |
Flaylock Steve
Nos Nothi
762
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Posted - 2015.04.26 19:24:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Flaylock Steve wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:One Eyed King wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote: I really could care less what anyone thinks, it's fine the way it is right now. Noted. I'm a bit jaded from having to argue every little opinion I have, sorry mate. Only people I gotta convince are the Blue Tags. You shouldn't even run, what help can you provide if you tell us you don't even care about our opinion? Even the blue tags listen to us, they ask for our feedback. You just stomp on anyones feedback that differs from yours...... Are you high? No seriously, like - are you high? Do you just parrot stuff because you see "Aeon Amadi" in the thread and instantly thought, "BOY THIS IS A PERFECT OPPORTUNITY TO SHOW MUCH OF A JACKASS I CAN BE!" That's all I can think bro. Because if you payed even -the slightest bit of attention- you'd know that I had absolutely no intentions of running for CPM 2 and hate the very notion fo it. You'd know that I don't need some stupid white tag to feel good about myself and be the drive to go and do those community-driven things that -I still occasionally do- despite posts like this constantly trying to drive me down because some ignorant nobody came along and figured they'd try to sound important. And no, I stomp on anyone's feedback that differs from mine whenever they contradict me at every single turn. One Eyed King and I have -never- gotten along and I'm fairly sure we're all aware of that by now. Just because we don't agree, and likely never will, doesn't mean I'm not going to include him in on any of the community driven stuff that I actually do like the PSD if I ever get around to actually shouldering that weight again - what with the fact that it was basically just me doing it anyway. But yanno, feel free to step up any time and shoulder some weight yourself and do something. Hell, I challenge you, personally, to go off and do something community driven. That doesn't mean go and argue with a bunch of people on the forums, that doesn't mean go and start liking a bunch of posts you agree with, I mean actually sit down and work some magic that betters the community as a whole - even the people you don't agree with. Go do that, then you can come over here and start telling people who should or shouldn't run for the CPM. Even though those people aren't running anyway because they recognize you don't have to have the CPM moniker to do stuff around here. EDIT: And yes, to educate you a bit on how things are run around here, a CPM member can and probably will disagree - sometimes quite verbally - with what someone else says. You're no good to anyone if you just go around agreeing with everything. CPM member that 'represents everyone' is a liar.
Then I withhold my statement, but no. I wasn't trying to be a "JACKASS", just from what I read here I don't agree without that statement I quoted and many others. And yes I know how things work around here. But even if a CMP/DEV team member disagrees with feedback they don't come out and say they don't care about such and such opinion. |
Aeon Amadi
Ahrendee Inc.
Negative-Feedback
9725
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Posted - 2015.04.26 19:38:00 -
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Flaylock Steve wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:Flaylock Steve wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:One Eyed King wrote:
Noted.
I'm a bit jaded from having to argue every little opinion I have, sorry mate. Only people I gotta convince are the Blue Tags. You shouldn't even run, what help can you provide if you tell us you don't even care about our opinion? Even the blue tags listen to us, they ask for our feedback. You just stomp on anyones feedback that differs from yours...... Are you high? No seriously, like - are you high? Do you just parrot stuff because you see "Aeon Amadi" in the thread and instantly thought, "BOY THIS IS A PERFECT OPPORTUNITY TO SHOW MUCH OF A JACKASS I CAN BE!" That's all I can think bro. Because if you payed even -the slightest bit of attention- you'd know that I had absolutely no intentions of running for CPM 2 and hate the very notion fo it. You'd know that I don't need some stupid white tag to feel good about myself and be the drive to go and do those community-driven things that -I still occasionally do- despite posts like this constantly trying to drive me down because some ignorant nobody came along and figured they'd try to sound important. And no, I stomp on anyone's feedback that differs from mine whenever they contradict me at every single turn. One Eyed King and I have -never- gotten along and I'm fairly sure we're all aware of that by now. Just because we don't agree, and likely never will, doesn't mean I'm not going to include him in on any of the community driven stuff that I actually do like the PSD if I ever get around to actually shouldering that weight again - what with the fact that it was basically just me doing it anyway. But yanno, feel free to step up any time and shoulder some weight yourself and do something. Hell, I challenge you, personally, to go off and do something community driven. That doesn't mean go and argue with a bunch of people on the forums, that doesn't mean go and start liking a bunch of posts you agree with, I mean actually sit down and work some magic that betters the community as a whole - even the people you don't agree with. Go do that, then you can come over here and start telling people who should or shouldn't run for the CPM. Even though those people aren't running anyway because they recognize you don't have to have the CPM moniker to do stuff around here. EDIT: And yes, to educate you a bit on how things are run around here, a CPM member can and probably will disagree - sometimes quite verbally - with what someone else says. You're no good to anyone if you just go around agreeing with everything. CPM member that 'represents everyone' is a liar. Then I withhold my statement, but no. I wasn't trying to be a "JACKASS", just from what I read here I don't agree with that statement I quoted and many others. And yes I know how things work around here. But even if a CMP/DEV team member disagrees with feedback they don't come out and say they don't care about such and such opinion.
Kay, well, I'm not a CPM and I'm not a Dev. So. Dunno what to tell you.
You guys are like a broken record with this "CPM material" business xD Let it go
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Flaylock Steve
Nos Nothi
763
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Posted - 2015.04.26 19:52:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:
Kay, well, I'm not a CPM and I'm not a Dev. So. Dunno what to tell you.
Well you claim that you try to do things that are community driven. Honestly technically everyone is, how do the devs know which items in the game are OP? from the data, who's responsible for the data? the community. Even those who don't even post once are still part of the data the team is gathering. Yet, from what I see if it doesn't suit you, you A: go against it, B:Ignore it. C: State theres no issue here.
Do you use scouts regularly? Run cloak regularly? If not, then why bother posting in this thread? yes you probably think cloaks are fine or w.e but yet most of us scouts and I mean dedicated scouts agree that cloaks are in a bad spot. |
Aeon Amadi
Ahrendee Inc.
Negative-Feedback
9730
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Posted - 2015.04.26 20:19:00 -
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Flaylock Steve wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:
Kay, well, I'm not a CPM and I'm not a Dev. So. Dunno what to tell you.
Well you claim that you try to do things that are community driven. Honestly technically everyone is, how do the devs know which items in the game are OP? from the data, who's responsible for the data? the community. Even those who don't even post once are still part of the data the team is gathering. Yet, from what I see if it doesn't suit you, you A: go against it, B:Ignore it. C: State theres no issue here. Do you use scouts regularly? Run cloak regularly? If not, then why bother posting in this thread? yes you probably think cloaks are fine or w.e but yet most of us scouts and I mean dedicated scouts agree that cloaks are in a bad spot.
Well your first mistake is thinking that only the user can weigh in on the topic.
I'll tell you the same thing they told me whenever I started saying that the Gallente Assault was in a bad spot - they're bias. Of course they want the cloaking to be better, because then they can reap the benefits of it. Sure, other roles "can" use cloaking devices but you change anything about them and the only ones who are going to see the effects are Scouts. So, if you nyx the feedback of anyone who is not a Scout (something the Barbershop looooovessss to do) then what's left?
You guys are like a broken record with this "CPM material" business xD Let it go
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Squagga
Fatal Absolution
Negative-Feedback
553
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Posted - 2015.04.26 20:35:00 -
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It's already 'get shot in the back514' we really don't need more invisi-hunting. Look at musturd. He wrecks without a cloak
Reloading, the silent killer.
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jonny battles
Random Gunz
Rise Of Legion.
27
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Posted - 2015.04.26 20:37:00 -
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Thus is a good point it's east them there was four scouts and they was after a blue dot pulled out a breach scrambler pistol and killed 3/4 the other one ran bcuz I had to reload and then found him hiding behind some crates
It was just that easy
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
9230
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Posted - 2015.04.26 22:33:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:So, if you nyx the feedback of anyone who is not a Scout (something the Barbershop looooovessss to do) then what's left?
Oh noes! My feedback on a subject has been challenged by subject matter experts! What to do!?
A) Hear their counterpoints; reevaluate my position.
B) Hear their counterpoints; defend my position.
C) Throw a tantrum
D) Play the victim
E) Attack the subject matter experts!
Shoot scout with yes.
- Ripley Riley
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Operative 1174 Uuali
Y.A.M.A.H
622
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Posted - 2015.04.27 00:25:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Can you recall the times you didn't see the cloak?
Many times lag. You see the shimmer and the scout uncloak as you are going to death screen.
Death is a serious businessGǪ So is running a shoddy, half-baked game company.
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Aeon Amadi
Ahrendee Inc.
Negative-Feedback
9752
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Posted - 2015.04.27 00:43:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:So, if you nyx the feedback of anyone who is not a Scout (something the Barbershop looooovessss to do) then what's left? Oh noes! My feedback on a subject has been challenged by subject matter experts! What to do!?A) Hear their counterpoints; reevaluate my position. B) Hear their counterpoints; defend my position. C) Throw a tantrum D) Play the victim E) Attack the subject matter experts!
Mhmm. Gone down this route before, if you'd remember. Actually tried A and B and got flame warred out of the place for trying. But I suppose that bringing this up automatically puts me in category D and that's never good because for some reason we don't acknowledge victims around here (be rather ironic if someone in this community worked at a crisis center).
Soooo that leaves C... and E....
C is my likely MO but given since that's not a practical response since it doesn't really do much for me and the community is just going to use that as more ammo to further prevent A and B from being warranted, that only leaves E...
So, yeah! Looks like I did the right thing! Think I deserve to give myself a pat on the back
EDIT: Btw, if you didn't get the message - yeah, I'm attacking the subject matter experts in the previous post entirely out of facetiousness, but feel free to think that I was totes being serious and follow up in your next post with "HURRR CPM MATERIAL DURR DE-DURR". I won't mind. Really.
You guys are like a broken record with this "CPM material" business xD Let it go
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jane stalin
Ametat Security
Amarr Empire
284
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Posted - 2015.04.27 00:55:00 -
[86] - Quote
sometimes blue scouts are totally invisible, I only know they are there because of the blue arrow above their heads
so I think lag causes weird visibility issues.
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LUGMOS
Corrosive Synergy
Rise Of Legion.
3778
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Posted - 2015.04.27 01:06:00 -
[87] - Quote
it's all in the lighting.
All there is to it really :/
Sniper Rifles are for Nitrogenous Dioxide Borons
First to PM me with common name wins
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Flaylock Steve
Nos Nothi
765
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Posted - 2015.04.27 03:05:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Flaylock Steve wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:
Kay, well, I'm not a CPM and I'm not a Dev. So. Dunno what to tell you.
Well you claim that you try to do things that are community driven. Honestly technically everyone is, how do the devs know which items in the game are OP? from the data, who's responsible for the data? the community. Even those who don't even post once are still part of the data the team is gathering. Yet, from what I see if it doesn't suit you, you A: go against it, B:Ignore it. C: State theres no issue here. Do you use scouts regularly? Run cloak regularly? If not, then why bother posting in this thread? yes you probably think cloaks are fine or w.e but yet most of us scouts and I mean dedicated scouts agree that cloaks are in a bad spot. Well your first mistake is thinking that only the user can weigh in on the topic. I'll tell you the same thing they told me whenever I started saying that the Gallente Assault was in a bad spot - they're bias. Of course they want the cloaking to be better, because then they can reap the benefits of it. Sure, other roles "can" use cloaking devices but you change anything about them and the only ones who are going to see the effects are Scouts. So, if you nyx the feedback of anyone who is not a Scout (something the Barbershop looooovessss to do) then what's left?
And again twisting my words, I never said only the "users" can provide feedback. Was just simply asking why were you posting in this thread. Because frankly for what's it's worth it seems like you have something against us. You're not providing any form of intelligent input whatsoever. Just saying "sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't" isn't saying anything. Is almost like saying sometimes the AR will register hits and sometimes it won't. That isn't good enough. The cloak was designed to help scouts move throughout the field undetected. If scouts wasn't as broken as they are now then we might just let the cloak be. But since scouts can even be out-scouted by assaults with double the HP something has to give. Either fix the scouts, or fix the cloaks. Cloaks now act more of a double-edge sword. Not only are we cloak-blind, but we also stick out. I've been sniped when I'm the only one in that area while cloaked on a damped gal scout. Explain that, I'm not asking to become completely invisible but come on most of the maps are dark, and the cloak doesn't work in dark areas even if standing still. There been times I just gave up on cloaking because honestly I have a better chance running around uncloaked and surviving an encounter if spotted vs being cloaked and praying that no one sees me. If an equipment designed to keep us hidden isn't working as intended it needs to be fixed |
Kayla Michael
Tactical Logistics and Cargo
111
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Posted - 2015.04.27 03:44:00 -
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That's a terrible request, what are you trying to do? Break the game even more? Cloaks are annoying, personally that should be something only left on EVE Online. And not in a FPS, but that is what I think anyway. Cloaking is just a really cowardly way to fight. In my opinion DUST's combat was more satisfying when people weren't tantamount to invisibility.
Not much I can really do about it though. Besides develop counter-strike methods for a feature I greatly despise.
I eat drahp uplink, me thinks this isn't a cookie. ~
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Oswald Rehnquist
1507
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Posted - 2015.04.27 05:11:00 -
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I'm not sure if the thread is still a debating / conversing thread or not, this isn't to attack anyone, just trying to explain something. Also this isn't a critique against CCP, they have done an amazing job with such a complex game. Truly its mind blowing.
The point of cloaks is to be useful, currently cloaks are not, or the gains are not worth the the time/space to field them.
That being said, cloaks don't have to be useful or even in the game. Arguable the most enjoyable scout times were when we lacked a cloak. The problem is with scouts being tied to something that isn't useful which is then used to justify subpar stats/mechanics.
Between early beta's open field neo dodging scouts (that had a short lifespan) and uprising 1.8, people had zero problem with scouts and laughed at the suit for the most part. Yet during this period their stealth abilities were a lot stronger than they are now. In fact scout stealthiness was highest right when they removed auto detection perfect precision from points of interest. Scouts could effectively stay electronically invisible pre cloaks. Obviously this was not overpowered, no one flocked to scouts but they had the freedom to do what they needed with their fittings while having a niche power.
Cloaks were implemented in 1.8, and boy not since the logisaults did we see so much domination, but this time from a non medium frame. Since then, scouts have been severely nerfed to justify the existence of the cloak. Core mechanics were changed to nerf scouts, and scouts are now chained to the cloak limiting imaginative builds.
The cloaks does not project you with open terrain movement, the cloak does a poor job of protecting you if you are standing still in normally unsafe areas (at least against good players). So scouts need to go back to pre cloak habits as the cloak doesn't really expand any opportunities. I'm cool with that, not needing to depend on expensive equipment is nice, I honestly did prefer pre 1.8 scouts, and it was the opness of 1.8 that made me leave dust for a bit as traditional stalking is much more intense.
The obvious answer now is to simply not run cloaks. The thing is that those old opportunities are also limited due to all the other changes that they have been implemented to balance around cloaks. The suit role is directly tied to it, its like running a sentinel without ehp buffers, and new scanning system makes old method of pre cloak stalking obsolete. So what we are left with is a suit without a niche with subpar stats.
Essentially, scouts are in a werid position now than ever only because the scout debate has been "settled", which is a lot worse than the initial excitement pre 1.8 that an actual niche would have been given to us.
These are early uprising clips, so what makes them so special especially when we consider that this time we still had auto detect installations and no cloaks?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hYp9WYkmhg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8X7qUXaqS8#t=4m09s
They are special because none of this isn't really feasible under the current mechanics (as it pertains to the new scan system), and this is probably the "most scoutly" image one can conjure up when thinking about general scout gameplay in fps games. This is a 11k fitting, if that matters at all, its just for kicks and giggles but the point still stands.
As a result, I use ScR/BP combo to accommodate the new middle range which scouts have been delineated to, but the concept of the cloak really isn't useful at this distance, in fact more often than not gives you away, its best to use basic cover than a cloak with this spacing as well. The scanning stats not exactly in favor with scouts which more or less makes it a big deal to ditch the cloak considering how much has been sacrificed for its existence.
This will probably PO many scouts off, I'm stating it because I'm selfish/dumb/evil/ignorant/etc, but if it fixes the role bleed, I personally wouldn't mind a more utility based passive aggressive role such as debuffing, kind of like an anti logi (drains ammo, reveals position, slows movement, cancels healing, etc). Though since this is more of a pipe dream, then that means with the exception for pilots and logis who can earn WPs without traditional rifle front line combat. Scouts are also rifle slayers until given tools to function as something else.
Assault stats get really close to the scouts traditional niche stats while fielding better ones themselves (this was reversed in 1.8, where people were wondering why they should even field assaults), their roles and functioning too similar to where one will clearly absorb the others role. Scouts were initially nerfed into oblivion due to offending assault suits and left untouched for a long time, they got touched in 1.8, offending assaults and got the relative nerf bat again (scouts aren't existing in oblivion now though). I'm of the opinion that they cannot be balanced, hence I think the aggressive speedster role should be absorbed by the assault permanently creating a light vs heavy assault sub class while providing something unique for the scout (currently, its the cloak, which has been made easier to be field by other suits).
My suggestion here should rightfully offend every slayer scout here because its directly threatening their role, and any criticism against me based on this suggestion is entirely justified, but the interesting part is more of them are now fielding non scouts to accommodate the current situation.
Didn't cost me much so there is my $.02 at any rate. I'm completely willing to be informed/corrected of my ignorance as I'm not immune to being off base. Theorycrafting is fun for me, so I'm all ears to better thoughts and opinions. Mine are simply influenced based on my observations on Dust's buffing and nerfing history of the scout.
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Lightning35 Delta514
48TH SPECIAL OPERATIONS FORCE
310
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Posted - 2015.04.27 18:09:00 -
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Buuuuuummmmmp
48th Special Operations Force.
Twitter- @48SOF
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Dreis ShadowWeaver
0uter.Heaven
Back and Forth
3249
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Posted - 2015.04.27 19:23:00 -
[92] - Quote
I just want to say that I still find the Cloak incredibly useful and absolutely necessary on all my Scout fits.
inb4 herp a derp you're not a real scout
Creator of the 'Nova Knifers United' channel
Caldari blood, Minmatar heart <3
Day 10/30 exclusively Minja
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Ralden Caster
Random Gunz
Rise Of Legion.
202
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Posted - 2015.04.27 23:06:00 -
[93] - Quote
Don't mind me, just showing off my new sig.
"I am frequently misquoted."
-Aeon Amadi
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Varoth Drac
Dead Man's Game
RUST415
772
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Posted - 2015.04.28 01:14:00 -
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To Oswald:
So are you saying the cloak should be buffed? I think that's what you are saying.
Cloaks aren't useful for the CQC sneaky stuff shown in those videos, but they are useful for battlefield mobility, non-combat activities and getting yourself into position to do the sneaky CQC stuff. Just not currently good enough at it (IMO).
The main reasons the gameplay in your videos is not really viable now, are the inner scan ring and loss of passive scan direction arrows.
It is possible to dampen below inner scans in some situations, so there is that. Mostly you need a proto suit though.
Removal of passive scan direction arrows was a shame, but I guess there were good reasons for it. In a way it adds a bit of skill guessing people orientation based on watching their movement, along with general awareness. |
Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
9257
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Posted - 2015.04.28 01:21:00 -
[95] - Quote
Varoth Drac wrote:
It is possible to dampen below inner scans in some situations, so there is that.
So long as your opponent promises not to run a precision enhancer.
Shoot scout with yes.
- Ripley Riley
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Varoth Drac
Dead Man's Game
RUST415
774
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Posted - 2015.04.28 01:25:00 -
[96] - Quote
Adipem Nothi wrote:Varoth Drac wrote:
It is possible to dampen below inner scans in some situations, so there is that.
So long as your opponent promises not to run a precision enhancer.
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
9257
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Posted - 2015.04.28 01:31:00 -
[97] - Quote
Varoth Drac wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:Varoth Drac wrote:
It is possible to dampen below inner scans in some situations, so there is that.
So long as your opponent promises not to run a precision enhancer. Shhhhhh!
I'm afraid the secret's out, friend. Precision Enhancers have been in the Top 10 for months!
Shoot scout with yes.
- Ripley Riley
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Happy Violentime
OMFGZOMBIESRUN
1141
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Posted - 2015.04.28 01:33:00 -
[98] - Quote
I agree. Cloaks need a buff. |
Varoth Drac
Dead Man's Game
RUST415
776
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Posted - 2015.04.28 01:40:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:Varoth Drac wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:Varoth Drac wrote:
It is possible to dampen below inner scans in some situations, so there is that.
So long as your opponent promises not to run a precision enhancer. Shhhhhh! I'm afraid the secret's out, friend. Precision Enhancers have been in the Top 10 for months!
Holy crap, you are right. I thought most people had given up on them. I do use them myself so I guess it makes sense. 4% usage isn't much either.
I guess I'll just hope a lot of this usage is on scouts, who I'm unlikely to sneak up on anyway. |
Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
9258
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Posted - 2015.04.28 03:23:00 -
[100] - Quote
redacted
Shoot scout with yes.
- Ripley Riley
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Himiko Kuronaga
Fatal Absolution
Negative-Feedback
5775
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Posted - 2015.04.28 03:36:00 -
[101] - Quote
If your TV has post-processing sharpness settings it can actually make cloakers super visible if you crank it up substantially. It will add a black edge to all of the lines inside of the shimmer effect. The downside of course is that it will also slightly increase visual delay on the screen, though it can be all but unnoticeable depending on the screen size and model.
Wouldn't recommend on anything as big as 50 inches though. More manageable between the 30-40 range.
Usually banned for being too awesome.
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Oswald Rehnquist
1512
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Posted - 2015.04.28 04:19:00 -
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Varoth Drac wrote:To Oswald:
So are you saying the cloak should be buffed? I think that's what you are saying.
Cloaks aren't useful for the CQC sneaky stuff shown in those videos, but they are useful for battlefield mobility, non-combat activities and getting yourself into position to do the sneaky CQC stuff. Just not currently good enough at it (IMO).
The main reasons the gameplay in your videos is not really viable now, are the inner scan ring and loss of passive scan direction arrows.
It is possible to dampen below inner scans in some situations, so there is that. Mostly you need a proto suit though.
Removal of passive scan direction arrows was a shame, but I guess there were good reasons for it. In a way it adds a bit of skill guessing people orientation based on watching their movement, along with general awareness.
I actually didn't make any suggestions for the cloak, the inner ring is my biggest complaint. The cloak isn't good for on the move either as you light up like a Christmas tree, otherwise I would love the cloak if it was actually useful for non combat activities.
My main specialization is hacking / killing high profile targets / support / killing base defense, I try to avoid combat and killing when necessary, so a non combat cloak would be awesome, I frequently advocate beta scout activities. Though with the recent changes, negates this role of piercing base defense.
If my position is always compromised when trying to infiltrate or defend a base in a hidden spot, half the job as a hacker/support scout is compromised. Truly, all the cloak + scan changes did was force scouts into a strictly medium combat role, which then scout utility is now strictly based on how well it can kill in basic trench warefare, which then puts scouts in direct competition with assaults. And this means somebody is going to lose out.
I actually don't really advocate any cloak changes as of now because the niche of the scout and assault have been placed way to close together to actually theorycraft a balanced cloak.
I personally think more radical thinking is needed to create differentiation as I would not mind testing out radical propositions and see how they work out.
Like, could CCP create anti logis? Back when we were talking caldari scout bonuses CCP was considering making caldari scouts emit a debuff aura to precision. Essentially you became blind when a caldari scout was nearby, so could CCP go further in this direction with aura debuffs? Could CCP create more equipment for scouts? Perhaps the Amarr Scout's equipment could drain ammo from enemies? Could CCP buff cloaks if they made scouts sidearm only? Could scouts also have duel light weapons while getting nerfed in other areas making them light commandos as assaults are like light light sentinels?
I mean there are a lot of things that are theoretically possible which can give some breathing room between scouts and assaults. I'm more of an advocate of the "lets just try it out" mentality that was more common in early beta where more radical ideas were tested.
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Dreis ShadowWeaver
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I think there isn't really an issue with the cloak. It can be very effective at moving unseen in the periphery of an opponent's vision, or from a distance. I think a lot of people are using it wrong. You shouldn't be cloaked when you're expecting to engage reds, simple as. I think too many people are running into hostile situations cloaked, then wondering why they died. To these people, I say you're not doing it right.
TL;DR: Cloak is fine, people are using it wrong.
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I agree that shimmer is too much now that there is a delay that takes forever EVEN WHEN IT'S NOT IN USE. If that were fixed to only when activated, then I'd take it back.
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Zan Azikuchi
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Posted - 2015.06.25 01:30:00 -
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Lightning35 Delta514 wrote:Both the cloak blur and shimmer are WAY TO VISIBLE. And I'm not saying it from a scout point of view this time. This one match, I waited a bit before hacking an objective to get some kills and I saw 3 cloaks coming at be. I bolt pistoled 2 of them who were running. This were easily seen. The 3rd one stopped trying not to move but his cloak was VERY BLURRY. You can spot cloaks even if they are not moving. I headshotted that one and was satisfied.
Extra- I don't just pay attention to cloaks, if you set in your mind to shoot at anything that moves that doesn't have a blue or green tag, you will kill many cloaks and kills in general.
BUFF THE CLOAK. I shouldn't really be able to see them when I snipe.
At medium-long distance you wont be able to see them, at 50 meters if they stopped moving around the corner, you wont see them hugging the wall. They didn't use tactics, that's why they died.
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Lightning35 Delta514
The Warlords Legion
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Mex-0
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Posted - 2015.09.14 23:58:00 -
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I've noticed it also, when cloaked scouts crouch in front of a flat background, I can usually see the distortion and ripple of the cloak around the edges. There are multiple times when I've shot a random PLC round at a shimmery thing and gotten +50.
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Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote:The cloak seems fine IMO. I'm strongly opposed to any buff, lest we go back to Scout 514.
It is difficult to spot a cloaked Scout from a distance, which is good because it's meant to be a tool to get from cover to cover. It's not a combat cloak.
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui
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DDx77 wrote:When it first came out it was the greatest can't wait for thing ever
Seen then It's been one nerf after the other
Some maps you can see it some you cant
Either variants with different shimmers/ stats or just reduce the shimmer
I could get behind this .
Cloaks that are more for battle but have extremely long recharge times , still with the delay .
The present cloaks , which seem fine .. I have seen scouts who cloak , cant be seen because they know when and how to move , decloak and shotgun , nova knife and rifle the enemy and recloak and reposition themselves for another sneak attack .
Of course you should be able to see them with a sniper rifle , it's a magnified scope .
Maybe they could incorporate a " battle cloak " with a reduced shimmer but one would still need e-war mods for it to be effective so that it's just not OP and an instagank weapon , but give it a longer charge time and keep the delay ... in fact increase it for a extra second or two .
I see people decloak and just jump to negate the delay .. by the time their heading downward , their ready to fire .
A delay should be a delay , where you can't fire .
There is a glitch where I've noticed being in a heavy suit and switching weapons , the weapon that I've switched to just didn't fire for like 2 seconds no matter how many times I tried to trigger it .
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