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Lightning35 Delta514
48TH SPECIAL OPERATIONS FORCE
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Posted - 2015.04.26 12:27:00 -
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Both the cloak and shimmer are WAY TO VISIBLE. And I'm not saying it from a scout point of view this time. This one match, I waited a bit before hacking an objective to get some kills and I saw 3 cloaks coming at be. I bolt pistoled 2 of them who were running. This were easily seen. The 3rd one stopped trying not to move but his cloak was VERY BLURRY. You can spot cloaks even if they are not moving. I headshotted that one and was satisfied.
BUFF THE CLOAK
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Mortishai Belmont
G.L.O.R.Y
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Posted - 2015.04.26 12:32:00 -
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Yeah, 'cause dust needs magic cloaks of invisibility! Lol
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Francois Sanchez
Prima Gallicus
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Posted - 2015.04.26 12:36:00 -
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The blurr when not moving it's fine as you need to look for it to spot it most of the time, however the shimmer should be dark, first because it makes more sense to hide in the shadows than in bright light, and second the human eye is more adapted to spot shiny things |
Clone D
Solo Zen
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Posted - 2015.04.26 12:38:00 -
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I have a difficult time spotting moving cloaked mercs. In fact, sometimes, they run directly into my face, and they are completely invisible against the background, although they are moving.
Nerf cloaks. |
Knightshade Belladonna
Mannar Focused Warfare
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.04.26 12:42:00 -
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cloaks work more like camo , it's not some cloak of invisibilty from harry potter...
I like to think of the shimmer like those 'glitches' in the barriers on hunger games , they just haven't got the tech perfected yet hehe |
Aeon Amadi
Ahrendee Inc.
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.04.26 13:37:00 -
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Can you recall the times you didn't see the cloak?
Running for CPM was a mistake if only because I'm the only one who let it go
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Shamarskii Simon
The Hundred Acre Hood
Rise Of Legion.
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Posted - 2015.04.26 13:48:00 -
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Depends on TV tbh..
Had 480i and HOLY cloak was godly... I just got 'gibbed from right in front of me.
Switched to a larger screen , had it a little bit better.
Switched to 480p, and it feels about right.. Sometimes it's like "huh" other times it's like "mmhmm"
What do you use?
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DiablosMajora
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Posted - 2015.04.26 14:08:00 -
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Why not have different kinds of cloaks for different roles?
I think planetside does a decent job of this, including counters to cloaks (dat flashlight tho)
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Lightning35 Delta514
48TH SPECIAL OPERATIONS FORCE
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Posted - 2015.04.26 15:26:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Can you recall the times you didn't see the cloak?
When they weren't in front of me obviously. If they are behind me, I won't see them. I can see like 90% of cloaks in front of me at a decent distance. It could be the TV as well. Or I am just a REALLY GOOD CLOAK SPOTTER. LIKE SERIOUSLY. I WILL SPOT YOU REAL QUICK. it isn't that hard tbh. If you are aware. You will always just be aware and ready to spot a cloak in the blink of an eye. Just look for that blue shimmer or that still blur. It's easy trust me.
48th Special Operations Force.
Twitter- @48SOF
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Forever ETC
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1001
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Posted - 2015.04.26 15:35:00 -
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Yeah I've noticed that too, I used to have to bring brightness down to 20 to spot them... Now I can have it at regular brightness(45-50).
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Joel II X
Bacon with a bottle of Quafe
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Posted - 2015.04.26 15:37:00 -
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Mortishai Belmont wrote:Yeah, 'cause dust needs magic cloaks of invisibility! Lol
Well, if they get spotted, they're dead since the delay nerf, sooooo maybe? |
SILENTSAM 69
SONS of LEGION
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Posted - 2015.04.26 15:40:00 -
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Considering they can not defend themselves by switching to a weapon right away when spotted they are essentially dead if they get in front of you.
What is the point of having a cloak in the game if you can not let anyone see you when you are using it?
I accept that there are lots of people who do not see half of the visible people in front of them anyway. People with a cloak can get by them. It is useless to have a clock against someone who actually watches their screen though. |
P14GU3
UNIVERSAL C.A.R.N.A.G.E
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Posted - 2015.04.26 15:41:00 -
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Lightning35 Delta514 wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:Can you recall the times you didn't see the cloak? When they weren't in front of me obviously. If they are behind me, I won't see them. I can see like 90% of cloaks in front of me at a decent distance. It could be the TV as well. Or I am just a REALLY GOOD CLOAK SPOTTER. LIKE SERIOUSLY. I WILL SPOT YOU REAL QUICK. it isn't that hard tbh. If you are aware. You will always just be aware and ready to spot a cloak in the blink of an eye. Just look for that blue shimmer or that still blur. It's easy trust me.
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Aeon Amadi
Ahrendee Inc.
Negative-Feedback
9600
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Posted - 2015.04.26 15:53:00 -
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P14GU3 wrote:Lightning35 Delta514 wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:Can you recall the times you didn't see the cloak? When they weren't in front of me obviously. If they are behind me, I won't see them. I can see like 90% of cloaks in front of me at a decent distance. It could be the TV as well. Or I am just a REALLY GOOD CLOAK SPOTTER. LIKE SERIOUSLY. I WILL SPOT YOU REAL QUICK. it isn't that hard tbh. If you are aware. You will always just be aware and ready to spot a cloak in the blink of an eye. Just look for that blue shimmer or that still blur. It's easy trust me. Toupee fallacy..
Glad someone caught on.
Running for CPM was a mistake if only because I'm the only one who let it go
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Dreis ShadowWeaver
0uter.Heaven
Back and Forth
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Posted - 2015.04.26 15:56:00 -
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The cloak seems fine IMO. I'm strongly opposed to any buff, lest we go back to Scout 514.
It is difficult to spot a cloaked Scout from a distance, which is good because it's meant to be a tool to get from cover to cover. It's not a combat cloak.
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LT SHANKS
You In The Nutz
5750
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Posted - 2015.04.26 16:00:00 -
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I just spin in circles and wait for my crosshairs to turn red..... |
Sir Dukey
G0DS AM0NG MEN
General Tso's Alliance
2081
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Posted - 2015.04.26 16:02:00 -
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Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote:The cloak seems fine IMO. I'm strongly opposed to any buff, lest we go back to Scout 514.
It is difficult to spot a cloaked Scout from a distance, which is good because it's meant to be a tool to get from cover to cover. It's not a combat cloak.
You know something is wrong when I can head shot cloak users with a sniper rifle from a mile away.
"Skill for thee but no skill for me" so is the saying of the swarm infantry.
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Lightning35 Delta514
48TH SPECIAL OPERATIONS FORCE
296
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Posted - 2015.04.26 16:04:00 -
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Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote:The cloak seems fine IMO. I'm strongly opposed to any buff, lest we go back to Scout 514.
It is difficult to spot a cloaked Scout from a distance, which is good because it's meant to be a tool to get from cover to cover. It's not a combat cloak.
Last time I used it, it was used in combat and fighting. So YES, IT IS A COMBAT CLOAK
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Sir Dukey
G0DS AM0NG MEN
General Tso's Alliance
2081
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Posted - 2015.04.26 16:07:00 -
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Lightning35 Delta514 wrote:Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote:The cloak seems fine IMO. I'm strongly opposed to any buff, lest we go back to Scout 514.
It is difficult to spot a cloaked Scout from a distance, which is good because it's meant to be a tool to get from cover to cover. It's not a combat cloak. Last time I used it, it was used in combat and fighting. So YES, IT IS A COMBAT CLOAK
IMO, combat or not, it sucks at its job. I constantly get spotted by other players while crossing open terrain. It's even worse that people can kill me with pin point accuracy no matter how much strafey jumpy stuff I do.
"Skill for thee but no skill for me" so is the saying of the swarm infantry.
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One Eyed King
Nos Nothi
9754
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Posted - 2015.04.26 16:08:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Can you recall the times you didn't see the cloak?
Can you recall the times a heavy was right in front of you, but you didn't see them because you were distracted by something else in game?
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Aeon Amadi
Ahrendee Inc.
Negative-Feedback
9610
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Posted - 2015.04.26 16:10:00 -
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One Eyed King wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:Can you recall the times you didn't see the cloak? Can you recall the times a heavy was right in front of you, but you didn't see them because you were distracted by something else in game?
-Blink-
What?
Running for CPM was a mistake if only because I'm the only one who let it go
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Dreis ShadowWeaver
0uter.Heaven
Back and Forth
3181
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Posted - 2015.04.26 16:12:00 -
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Lightning35 Delta514 wrote:Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote:The cloak seems fine IMO. I'm strongly opposed to any buff, lest we go back to Scout 514.
It is difficult to spot a cloaked Scout from a distance, which is good because it's meant to be a tool to get from cover to cover. It's not a combat cloak. Last time I used it, it was used in combat and fighting. So YES, IT IS A COMBAT CLOAK
That's not what it's purpose is.
Look at the 1.8 period, where you could instantly decloak, gank someone, and cloak right back up again. It didn't matter if you ran into any reds because you could instantly decloak and gank them. This was whilst we still had functional scans whilst we were cloaked too. At this time, it was performing as a combat cloak.
That's why it was nerfed though. It was performing as a combat cloak when that wasn't it's intended purpose. It was meant to be used as a tool to move across open ground with no cover, nothing more. To achieve this purpose, the cloak delay was added, as well as
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Lightning35 Delta514
48TH SPECIAL OPERATIONS FORCE
298
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Posted - 2015.04.26 16:12:00 -
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Sir Dukey wrote:Lightning35 Delta514 wrote:Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote:The cloak seems fine IMO. I'm strongly opposed to any buff, lest we go back to Scout 514.
It is difficult to spot a cloaked Scout from a distance, which is good because it's meant to be a tool to get from cover to cover. It's not a combat cloak. Last time I used it, it was used in combat and fighting. So YES, IT IS A COMBAT CLOAK IMO, combat or not, it sucks at its job. I constantly get spotted by other players while crossing open terrain. It's even worse that people can kill me with pin point accuracy no matter how much strafey jumpy stuff I do.
That's why I don't run scout any more. I'm waiting for CCP to fix them to use again CUZ IMMA PRO SCOUT da da da da
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Twitter- @48SOF
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Pocket Rocket Girl
Psygod9
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Posted - 2015.04.26 16:13:00 -
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Lightning35 Delta514 wrote:Both the cloak and shimmer are WAY TO VISIBLE. And I'm not saying it from a scout point of view this time. This one match, I waited a bit before hacking an objective to get some kills and I saw 3 cloaks coming at be. I bolt pistoled 2 of them who were running. This were easily seen. The 3rd one stopped trying not to move but his cloak was VERY BLURRY. You can spot cloaks even if they are not moving. I headshotted that one and was satisfied.
BUFF THE CLOAK
were you guys fighting in the sunlight or was there something blocking the sun light like indoors or the shadows. ive noticed its easier to see cloaks in shadows than in direct sun light even certian maps are bad for scouting
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Le Moo?
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Dreis ShadowWeaver
0uter.Heaven
Back and Forth
3181
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Posted - 2015.04.26 16:15:00 -
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Lightning35 Delta514 wrote:Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote:The cloak seems fine IMO. I'm strongly opposed to any buff, lest we go back to Scout 514.
It is difficult to spot a cloaked Scout from a distance, which is good because it's meant to be a tool to get from cover to cover. It's not a combat cloak. Last time I used it, it was used in combat and fighting. So YES, IT IS A COMBAT CLOAK
severely limiting a Scout's scan radius while cloaked. All the nerfs suggest that it's not meant to be used as a combat cloak.
Sure, you can try to use it as a combat cloak, but that's not what it's intended for, and you would probably just be hurting yourself by trying.
Cloaks: working as intended.
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One Eyed King
Nos Nothi
9754
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Posted - 2015.04.26 16:15:00 -
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P14GU3 wrote:Lightning35 Delta514 wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:Can you recall the times you didn't see the cloak? When they weren't in front of me obviously. If they are behind me, I won't see them. I can see like 90% of cloaks in front of me at a decent distance. It could be the TV as well. Or I am just a REALLY GOOD CLOAK SPOTTER. LIKE SERIOUSLY. I WILL SPOT YOU REAL QUICK. it isn't that hard tbh. If you are aware. You will always just be aware and ready to spot a cloak in the blink of an eye. Just look for that blue shimmer or that still blur. It's easy trust me. Toupee fallacy..
Toupee fallacy ONLY works when someone says they ALWAYS see the cloak.
If you don't understand a fallacy, don't quote it...
If you don't have empirical evidence to demonstrate his subjective opinion of seeing 90% of cloaked mercs number is inaccurate, then your subjective opinion of how often people cloaked go unseen is no more or less relevant.
You can disagree with someone's observations, and state your own, but without hard evidence, you can't pretend it is fact.
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Lightning35 Delta514
48TH SPECIAL OPERATIONS FORCE
298
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Posted - 2015.04.26 16:17:00 -
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Pocket Rocket Girl wrote:Lightning35 Delta514 wrote:Both the cloak and shimmer are WAY TO VISIBLE. And I'm not saying it from a scout point of view this time. This one match, I waited a bit before hacking an objective to get some kills and I saw 3 cloaks coming at be. I bolt pistoled 2 of them who were running. This were easily seen. The 3rd one stopped trying not to move but his cloak was VERY BLURRY. You can spot cloaks even if they are not moving. I headshotted that one and was satisfied.
BUFF THE CLOAK were you guys fighting in the sunlight or was there something blocking the sun light like indoors or the shadows. ive noticed its easier to see cloaks in shadows than in direct sun light even certian maps are bad for scouting
That one match was sunlight I think but tbh I can spot them on ANY MAP. It's not that hard. Adjust your tv screen and shoot ANYTHING THAT MOVES that isn't blue or green
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Twitter- @48SOF
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Scheneighnay McBob
And the ButtPirates
6220
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Posted - 2015.04.26 16:19:00 -
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The only thing the cloak protects you from is the peripheral vision of someone who's just running buy, as well as some scans.
I agree, buff it.
Some details can be ignored
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Pocket Rocket Girl
Psygod9
345
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Posted - 2015.04.26 16:24:00 -
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Lightning35 Delta514 wrote:Pocket Rocket Girl wrote:Lightning35 Delta514 wrote:Both the cloak and shimmer are WAY TO VISIBLE. And I'm not saying it from a scout point of view this time. This one match, I waited a bit before hacking an objective to get some kills and I saw 3 cloaks coming at be. I bolt pistoled 2 of them who were running. This were easily seen. The 3rd one stopped trying not to move but his cloak was VERY BLURRY. You can spot cloaks even if they are not moving. I headshotted that one and was satisfied.
BUFF THE CLOAK were you guys fighting in the sunlight or was there something blocking the sun light like indoors or the shadows. ive noticed its easier to see cloaks in shadows than in direct sun light even certian maps are bad for scouting That one match was sunlight I think but tbh I can spot them on ANY MAP. It's not that hard. Adjust your tv screen and shoot ANYTHING THAT MOVES that isn't blue or green
so you changed your setting to make it easier for you to see cloaks in stead of using the games recommended settings, which i assume would make the cloak harder to see.
wht sort of scout were they you know not every scout uses E-war
Moo?
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One Eyed King
Nos Nothi
9754
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Posted - 2015.04.26 16:25:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:One Eyed King wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:Can you recall the times you didn't see the cloak? Can you recall the times a heavy was right in front of you, but you didn't see them because you were distracted by something else in game? -Blink- What?
Your are trying to make the point that someone can't know what they don't know, ie the times that someone who is cloaked actually goes unseen.
You state this as an argument that the cloak works as intended, despite the fact that many times the cloaks ARE seen.
My point is that there is more at play. Consider the case of the Invisible Gorilla , in which you focus on one thing so much (say an Assault directly in front of you using cover and firing), that you don't even see the heavy right next to him that is fully visible.
My argument is that there is more at play in whether you "see" something.
We need to stop basing the arguments on how often cloaked scouts go unnoticed, because you can't know that information!
What we CAN base it off of is how many times we DO see cloakers. Especially in light of the nerfs that have severely weakened the already weak suits using them.
Contrary to Lightening's belief, it is NOT intended to be a combat cloak. It IS intended to allow very squishy suits the ability to move about the periphery of fighting safely. If there are too many instances where being cloaked is not helpful enough to allow that to happen, then it is not working optimally.
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