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Knightshade Belladonna
Mannar Focused Warfare
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.04.26 16:31:00 -
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I moslty on catch them when I spot them running in an angle to my view, cutting across. if they right in front of me running straight ahead, most times I don't even notice..then they cut and i'm like you mothafkr tryin sneak me!! Boom!
I'm thinking though that it's me , not that cloaks don't glimmer that way.. I'm to focused on whats in front , looking for a fully visible dude..but like a cat , I see a fly off in the corner my eyes go to it quick..that's what them cloaks are to me...that fly off to the side heh |
Aeon Amadi
Ahrendee Inc.
Negative-Feedback
9648
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Posted - 2015.04.26 16:35:00 -
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One Eyed King wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:One Eyed King wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:Can you recall the times you didn't see the cloak? Can you recall the times a heavy was right in front of you, but you didn't see them because you were distracted by something else in game? -Blink- What? Your are trying to make the point that someone can't know what they don't know, ie the times that someone who is cloaked actually goes unseen. You state this as an argument that the cloak works as intended, despite the fact that many times the cloaks ARE seen. My point is that there is more at play. Consider the case of the Invisible Gorilla , in which you focus on one thing so much (say an Assault directly in front of you using cover and firing), that you don't even see the heavy right next to him that is fully visible. My argument is that there is more at play in whether you "see" something. We need to stop basing the arguments on how often cloaked scouts go unnoticed, because you can't know that information!What we CAN base it off of is how many times we DO see cloakers. Especially in light of the nerfs that have severely weakened the already weak suits using them. Contrary to Lightening's belief, it is NOT intended to be a combat cloak. It IS intended to allow very squishy suits the ability to move about the periphery of fighting safely. If there are too many instances where being cloaked is not helpful enough to allow that to happen, then it is not working optimally.
I kinda stopped reading because I don't care, lol. Just being brutally honest. It's 11:30 AM and I haven't gone to lunch yet.
Based on your first couple of sentences I'll just say this: The cloak works sometimes, the cloak doesn't work sometimes - just leave it alone and it won't be broken for either the user or the viewer. I really could care less what anyone thinks, it's fine the way it is right now. Sometimes you'll see it, sometimes you won't; that's all it really needs to be. No point in making it 100% effective or 100% ineffective.
Running for CPM was a mistake if only because I'm the only one who let it go
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One Eyed King
Nos Nothi
9766
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Posted - 2015.04.26 16:39:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote: I really could care less what anyone thinks, it's fine the way it is right now.
Noted.
Former CEO of the Land of the BIind.
Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
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Dreis ShadowWeaver
0uter.Heaven
Back and Forth
3184
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Posted - 2015.04.26 16:40:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:I kinda stopped reading because I don't care, lol. Just being brutally honest. It's 11:30 AM and I haven't gone to lunch yet.
Aeon Amadi wrote:I really could care less what anyone thinks.
^ CPM material.
Creator of the 'Nova Knifers United' channel
Caldari blood, Minmatar heart <3
Day 10/30 exclusively Minja
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Aeon Amadi
Ahrendee Inc.
Negative-Feedback
9670
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Posted - 2015.04.26 16:41:00 -
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One Eyed King wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote: I really could care less what anyone thinks, it's fine the way it is right now. Noted.
I'm a bit jaded from having to argue every little opinion I have, sorry mate. Only people I gotta convince are the Blue Tags.
Running for CPM was a mistake if only because I'm the only one who let it go
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Knightshade Belladonna
Mannar Focused Warfare
Gallente Federation
1204
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Posted - 2015.04.26 16:42:00 -
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Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:I kinda stopped reading because I don't care, lol. Just being brutally honest. It's 11:30 AM and I haven't gone to lunch yet. Aeon Amadi wrote:I really could care less what anyone thinks. ^ CPM material.
damn!!!! that's a burn worse than grabbin the tray out oven at 2 a.m drunk and forgettin the mit! |
Aeon Amadi
Ahrendee Inc.
Negative-Feedback
9670
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Posted - 2015.04.26 16:42:00 -
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Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:I kinda stopped reading because I don't care, lol. Just being brutally honest. It's 11:30 AM and I haven't gone to lunch yet. Aeon Amadi wrote:I really could care less what anyone thinks. ^ CPM material.
Video for you
Running for CPM was a mistake if only because I'm the only one who let it go
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Aeon Amadi
Ahrendee Inc.
Negative-Feedback
9670
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Posted - 2015.04.26 16:44:00 -
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Knightshade Belladonna wrote:Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:I kinda stopped reading because I don't care, lol. Just being brutally honest. It's 11:30 AM and I haven't gone to lunch yet. Aeon Amadi wrote:I really could care less what anyone thinks. ^ CPM material. damn!!!! that's a burn worse than grabbin the tray out oven at 2 a.m drunk and forgettin the mit!
Worse than Judge Rhadamanthus? Doubtful.
Running for CPM was a mistake if only because I'm the only one who let it go
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Aeon Amadi
Ahrendee Inc.
Negative-Feedback
9670
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Posted - 2015.04.26 16:45:00 -
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Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:I kinda stopped reading because I don't care, lol. Just being brutally honest. It's 11:30 AM and I haven't gone to lunch yet. Aeon Amadi wrote:I really could care less what anyone thinks. ^ CPM material.
What'd you ever do for the community, if I may ask?
Running for CPM was a mistake if only because I'm the only one who let it go
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Ralden Caster
Random Gunz
Rise Of Legion.
192
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Posted - 2015.04.26 16:46:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Can you recall the times you didn't see the cloak?
Before uprising 1.8, they were completely unseen on the battlefield.
My pants are on fire.
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Knightshade Belladonna
Mannar Focused Warfare
Gallente Federation
1206
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Posted - 2015.04.26 16:49:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:I kinda stopped reading because I don't care, lol. Just being brutally honest. It's 11:30 AM and I haven't gone to lunch yet. Aeon Amadi wrote:I really could care less what anyone thinks. ^ CPM material. Video for you
I don't know what's sadder..that you knew that song to link it...or that I actually stayed on it, watched it..sang with it..and even shed a tear while my dog and cats freaked out..cus yeh.. I ain't no singer
looks like I win..carry on |
Dreis ShadowWeaver
0uter.Heaven
Back and Forth
3185
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Posted - 2015.04.26 16:51:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:I kinda stopped reading because I don't care, lol. Just being brutally honest. It's 11:30 AM and I haven't gone to lunch yet. Aeon Amadi wrote:I really could care less what anyone thinks. ^ CPM material. Video for you
That is actually so applicable to you. 
Creator of the 'Nova Knifers United' channel
Caldari blood, Minmatar heart <3
Day 10/30 exclusively Minja
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Knightshade Belladonna
Mannar Focused Warfare
Gallente Federation
1206
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Posted - 2015.04.26 16:52:00 -
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Thanks Aeon , now that **** be stuck in my head!! |
Aeon Amadi
Ahrendee Inc.
Negative-Feedback
9675
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Posted - 2015.04.26 16:53:00 -
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Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:I kinda stopped reading because I don't care, lol. Just being brutally honest. It's 11:30 AM and I haven't gone to lunch yet. Aeon Amadi wrote:I really could care less what anyone thinks. ^ CPM material. Video for you That is actually so applicable to you.
Hey, bro, I'm not the one constantly bringing it up lmfao
But for real though what do you do for the community? Do you like, record vids? Make tutorials? Do you do spreadsheets? Do you like, draw stuff - I'm trying to figure you out man, talk to me, I dunno who you are
You guys are like a broken record with this "CPM material" business xD Let it go
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VALCORE72
Vengeance Unbound
RUST415
301
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Posted - 2015.04.26 16:56:00 -
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are you nuts lol . cloaks plus ewar and every alpha weapon in game on them? . scouts are fine. nub scouts need to stop attacking head on . they are fa,g suits . rear attack works best.
asian haters united lol .
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Knightshade Belladonna
Mannar Focused Warfare
Gallente Federation
1206
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Posted - 2015.04.26 16:57:00 -
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He is the weaver of shadows man, you don't question someone with that kind of talent and title. You catch a posion dart to the back of the neck from the tree-tops that way. |
Aeon Amadi
Ahrendee Inc.
Negative-Feedback
9678
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Posted - 2015.04.26 17:00:00 -
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Knightshade Belladonna wrote:He is the weaver of shadows man, you don't question someone with that kind of talent and title. You catch a posion dart to the back of the neck from the tree-tops that way.
Nah nah nah, don't misunderstand me, like - I get that he's skilled in listening to emo music or whatever but what does he do for the community is all I'm askin', like, real talk
I mean, did he run for the CPM? I don't remember seeing him on the candidates list I just wanna know, like, what he does around here, naw meen?
Cause, like, yanno, I figure if you're gonna troll you gotta at least have some merit yourself, right? Not just some random neck beard who just goes on the forums and talks trash? That doesn't happen, does it?
You guys are like a broken record with this "CPM material" business xD Let it go
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Dreis ShadowWeaver
0uter.Heaven
Back and Forth
3188
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Posted - 2015.04.26 17:03:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:I kinda stopped reading because I don't care, lol. Just being brutally honest. It's 11:30 AM and I haven't gone to lunch yet. Aeon Amadi wrote:I really could care less what anyone thinks. ^ CPM material. What'd you ever do for the community, if I may ask?
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2742810#post2742810
Creator of the 'Nova Knifers United' channel
Caldari blood, Minmatar heart <3
Day 10/30 exclusively Minja
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Knightshade Belladonna
Mannar Focused Warfare
Gallente Federation
1209
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Posted - 2015.04.26 17:05:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Knightshade Belladonna wrote:He is the weaver of shadows man, you don't question someone with that kind of talent and title. You catch a posion dart to the back of the neck from the tree-tops that way. Nah nah nah, don't misunderstand me, like - I get that he's skilled in listening to emo music or whatever but what does he do for the community is all I'm askin', like, real talk I mean, did he run for the CPM? I don't remember seeing him on the candidates list I just wanna know, like, what he does around here, naw meen? Cause, like, yanno, I figure if you're gonna troll you gotta at least have some merit yourself, right? Not just some random neck beard who just goes on the forums and talks trash? That doesn't happen, does it?
I once sniped a sniper, justice was served for the community. Do I merit input?
Anyone still showing an interest in this game has a right to say anything. Don't take his jab too hard, we get it, you put in work and his might not match up to your amount. |
Lupus Wolf
Minmatar Republic
257
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Posted - 2015.04.26 17:10:00 -
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Sir Dukey wrote:Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote:The cloak seems fine IMO. I'm strongly opposed to any buff, lest we go back to Scout 514.
It is difficult to spot a cloaked Scout from a distance, which is good because it's meant to be a tool to get from cover to cover. It's not a combat cloak. You know something is wrong when I can head shot cloak users with a sniper rifle from a mile away.
That's because when you're sniping, you're specifically looking for these sort of things...
Not when you're in the thick of battle and you have multiple things to pay attention to.
"Dogfighting with missiles is like watching two armless kids try to catch a baseball." - Dust Fiend
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Aeon Amadi
Ahrendee Inc.
Negative-Feedback
9680
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Posted - 2015.04.26 17:12:00 -
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Knightshade Belladonna wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:Knightshade Belladonna wrote:He is the weaver of shadows man, you don't question someone with that kind of talent and title. You catch a posion dart to the back of the neck from the tree-tops that way. Nah nah nah, don't misunderstand me, like - I get that he's skilled in listening to emo music or whatever but what does he do for the community is all I'm askin', like, real talk I mean, did he run for the CPM? I don't remember seeing him on the candidates list I just wanna know, like, what he does around here, naw meen? Cause, like, yanno, I figure if you're gonna troll you gotta at least have some merit yourself, right? Not just some random neck beard who just goes on the forums and talks trash? That doesn't happen, does it? I once sniped a sniper, justice was served for the community. Do I merit input? Anyone still showing an interest in this game has a right to say anything. Don't take his jab too hard, we get it, you put in work and his might not match up to your amount.
Not even about that, just tired of prissy bitches acting like I'm on some pedestal. Dude does what he does, I do what I do - I'm not talking **** first opportunity he gives me, I'd at least like that same respect.
You guys are like a broken record with this "CPM material" business xD Let it go
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Thumb Green
The Valyrian Mercenary Army
2328
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Posted - 2015.04.26 17:21:00 -
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I have trouble spotting them even after spotting them but then again I also don't fiddle with the video settings (in-game nor TV) to give myself an advantage in seeing them.
Play the fucking objective you goddamn dipshits.
Rated [TV-MA]
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killian178
Random Gunz
Rise Of Legion.
148
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Posted - 2015.04.26 17:24:00 -
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I'd be fine with how it is if your cross hairs wouldn't turn red on someone who's cloaked
Join channel blkmrkt for safe scam free tades, when it's here anyway......
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Flaylock Steve
Nos Nothi
759
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Posted - 2015.04.26 17:24:00 -
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Clone D wrote:I have a difficult time spotting moving cloaked mercs. In fact, sometimes, they run directly into my face, and they are completely invisible against the background, although they are moving.
Nerf cloaks.
Cloaks just need to be redone. If you're having a bad time spotting cloaks then you must have poor situational awareness.
Because if it's true that they run directly at you and you don't spot them its just lol. If a cloaked merc runs directly in front of you, your crosshair will turn red. I've had snipers shot me while cloaked, and no it wasn't a stray shot. It's when I'm alone, damped and still they pick up the shimmer. Honestly even though most of my fits do have cloaks I still hardly use them. Only to hack and still thats not every time. Cloaks put scouts more at a disadvantage with it vs without it unless running across open land then yea its somewhat okay to use. |
DDx77
The Exemplars
217
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Posted - 2015.04.26 17:25:00 -
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When it first came out it was the greatest can't wait for thing ever
Seen then It's been one nerf after the other
Some maps you can see it some you cant
Either variants with different shimmers/ stats or just reduce the shimmer
May the Dark shine your way
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Eruditus 920
Nemo Malus Felix
1701
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Posted - 2015.04.26 17:28:00 -
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Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote:Lightning35 Delta514 wrote:Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote:The cloak seems fine IMO. I'm strongly opposed to any buff, lest we go back to Scout 514.
It is difficult to spot a cloaked Scout from a distance, which is good because it's meant to be a tool to get from cover to cover. It's not a combat cloak. Last time I used it, it was used in combat and fighting. So YES, IT IS A COMBAT CLOAK That's not what it's purpose is. Look at the 1.8 period, where you could instantly decloak, gank someone, and cloak right back up again. It didn't matter if you ran into any reds because you could instantly decloak and gank them. This was whilst we still had functional scans whilst we were cloaked too. At this time, it was performing as a combat cloak. That's why it was nerfed though. It was performing as a combat cloak when that wasn't it's intended purpose. It was meant to be used as a tool to move across open ground with no cover, nothing more. To achieve this purpose, the cloak delay was added, as well as
" Regardless of the original intent, everything in war ultimately ends up being used to kill, so weGÇÖre nervous and excited about cloaking and look forward to seeing how itGÇÖll be used to shape the battlefields of New Eden."
-CCP Remnant
http://dust514.com/news/blog/2014/03/equipment-uprising-1.8/?_ga=1.75380050.1758309726.1422928976
"Stay gold, Ponyboy..."
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Dreis ShadowWeaver
0uter.Heaven
Back and Forth
3188
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Posted - 2015.04.26 17:33:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Not even about that, just tired of prissy bitches acting like I'm on some pedestal. Dude does what he does, I do what I do - I'm not talking **** first opportunity he gives me, I'd at least like that same respect.
Actually, you did start talking ****, where you essentially said 'Your opinion is worthless' to One Eyed King.
Forget the CPM nonsense, which was just a jibe, and for that, I apologise.
Creator of the 'Nova Knifers United' channel
Caldari blood, Minmatar heart <3
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Knightshade Belladonna
Mannar Focused Warfare
Gallente Federation
1210
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Posted - 2015.04.26 17:35:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Knightshade Belladonna wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:Knightshade Belladonna wrote:He is the weaver of shadows man, you don't question someone with that kind of talent and title. You catch a posion dart to the back of the neck from the tree-tops that way. Nah nah nah, don't misunderstand me, like - I get that he's skilled in listening to emo music or whatever but what does he do for the community is all I'm askin', like, real talk I mean, did he run for the CPM? I don't remember seeing him on the candidates list I just wanna know, like, what he does around here, naw meen? Cause, like, yanno, I figure if you're gonna troll you gotta at least have some merit yourself, right? Not just some random neck beard who just goes on the forums and talks trash? That doesn't happen, does it? I once sniped a sniper, justice was served for the community. Do I merit input? Anyone still showing an interest in this game has a right to say anything. Don't take his jab too hard, we get it, you put in work and his might not match up to your amount. Not even about that, just tired of prissy bitches acting like I'm on some pedestal. Dude does what he does, I do what I do - I'm not talking **** first opportunity he gives me, I'd at least like that same respect.
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Varoth Drac
Dead Man's Game
RUST415
741
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Posted - 2015.04.26 17:37:00 -
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The other day, a corp mate in my squad was laughing at me, due to how much my blue cloak shimmer stuck out as I tried to sneak around.
From the perspective of using cloaks, I do seem to be spotted whilst cloaked frustratingly quickly. Obviously I expect to be seen If I run in front of someone, but getting spotted often when at a distance and in peripheral vision is pretty annoying.
I fully agree that cloaks should act like camo rather than full invisibility. Despite what some people claim, using a cloak successfully takes skill. Full invisibility would destroy that element of stealth gameplay.
I do feel though, that a reduction, or darkening, of the shimmer is needed.
Cloaks, in their old form were op. This is because they could be used very effectively for ganking people. This involved mainly operating in built up areas where you could track enemies with passive scans whilst cloaked, and pounce on people with a shotgun. The cloak increases the time it takes for people to react to you as it takes time to be spotted. The scans and instant decloak allowed you to make sure there was rarely enough time for enemies to react before it was too late. You could then quickly dive back into cover and repeat.
The introduction of cloak blind and delay has made this technique pretty much impossible. With this use of cloaks removed it highlights the other, more beneficial to the game, use for cloaks. This being infiltration and movement without being spotted / killed. It now appears that the level of camouflage provided by a cloak is sufficient to perform this role, but perhaps not sufficient to perform the role well. As a result many scouts don't bother with cloaks at all and the capabilities of a scout beyond direct combat are diminished.
Following the long awaited, major buffs to assaults, cloaks are one of the few things that distinguishes scouts and gives them a purpose.
TLDR: Seems to me the shimmer should be darkened a bit. |
Knightshade Belladonna
Mannar Focused Warfare
Gallente Federation
1210
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Posted - 2015.04.26 17:38:00 -
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Flaylock Steve wrote:Clone D wrote:I have a difficult time spotting moving cloaked mercs. In fact, sometimes, they run directly into my face, and they are completely invisible against the background, although they are moving.
Nerf cloaks. Cloaks just need to be redone. If you're having a bad time spotting cloaks then you must have poor situational awareness. Because if it's true that they run directly at you and you don't spot them its just lol. If a cloaked merc runs directly in front of you, your crosshair will turn red. I've had snipers shot me while cloaked, and no it wasn't a stray shot. It's when I'm alone, damped and still they pick up the shimmer. Honestly even though most of my fits do have cloaks I still hardly use them. Only to hack and still thats not every time. Cloaks put scouts more at a disadvantage with it vs without it unless running across open land then yea its somewhat okay to use.
lol, wow.. i'm such a noob still.
All this time I have played this game..I never knew the crosshairs would light red hovering over someone...seriously, no joke hah
That could be because I have a problem with pulling triggers instantly and only noticing hit contact../shrug
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