Actually, you did start talking ****, where you essentially said 'Your opinion is worthless' to One Eyed King.

Forget the CPM nonsense, which was just a jibe, and for that, I apologise.

The other day, a corp mate in my squad was laughing at me, due to how much my blue cloak shimmer stuck out as I tried to sneak around.

From the perspective of using cloaks, I do seem to be spotted whilst cloaked frustratingly quickly. Obviously I expect to be seen If I run in front of someone, but getting spotted often when at a distance and in peripheral vision is pretty annoying.

I fully agree that cloaks should act like camo rather than full invisibility. Despite what some people claim, using a cloak successfully takes skill. Full invisibility would destroy that element of stealth gameplay.

I do feel though, that a reduction, or darkening, of the shimmer is needed.

Cloaks, in their old form were op. This is because they could be used very effectively for ganking people. This involved mainly operating in built up areas where you could track enemies with passive scans whilst cloaked, and pounce on people with a shotgun. The cloak increases the time it takes for people to react to you as it takes time to be spotted. The scans and instant decloak allowed you to make sure there was rarely enough time for enemies to react before it was too late. You could then quickly dive back into cover and repeat.

The introduction of cloak blind and delay has made this technique pretty much impossible. With this use of cloaks removed it highlights the other, more beneficial to the game, use for cloaks. This being infiltration and movement without being spotted / killed. It now appears that the level of camouflage provided by a cloak is sufficient to perform this role, but perhaps not sufficient to perform the role well. As a result many scouts don't bother with cloaks at all and the capabilities of a scout beyond direct combat are diminished.

Following the long awaited, major buffs to assaults, cloaks are one of the few things that distinguishes scouts and gives them a purpose.

TLDR: Seems to me the shimmer should be darkened a bit.

You bring up a good argument. After all the nerfs it hit, it should get a buff ( if you want to even call it that) by decreasing the visibility some.

Some say that standard settings won't show them easily, and you only see if you upped the settings. I have never touched mine, at all, and I still see them. I don't know if that's because i'm actually using a monitor for gaming though..and not a t.v.

Toupee fallacy ONLY works when someone says they ALWAYS see the cloak.

If you don't understand a fallacy, don't quote it...

If you don't have empirical evidence to demonstrate his subjective opinion of seeing 90% of cloaked mercs number is inaccurate, then your subjective opinion of how often people cloaked go unseen is no more or less relevant.

You can disagree with someone's observations, and state your own, but without hard evidence, you can't pretend it is fact.

I'm a bit jaded from having to argue every little opinion I have, sorry mate. Only people I gotta convince are the Blue Tags.

You shouldn't even run, what help can you provide if you tell us you don't even care about our opinion? Even the blue tags listen to us, they ask for our feedback. You just stomp on anyones feedback that differs from yours......

You shouldn't even run, what help can you provide if you tell us you don't even care about our opinion? Even the blue tags listen to us, they ask for our feedback. You just stomp on anyones feedback that differs from yours......

That's not what it's purpose is.

Look at the 1.8 period, where you could instantly decloak, gank someone, and cloak right back up again. It didn't matter if you ran into any reds because you could instantly decloak and gank them. This was whilst we still had functional scans whilst we were cloaked too. At this time, it was performing as a combat cloak.

That's why it was nerfed though. It was performing as a combat cloak when that wasn't it's intended purpose. It was meant to be used as a tool to move across open ground with no cover, nothing more. To achieve this purpose, the cloak delay was added, as well as

You know something is wrong when I can head shot cloak users with a sniper rifle from a mile away.

I'm a bit jaded from having to argue every little opinion I have, sorry mate. Only people I gotta convince are the Blue Tags.

Worse than Judge Rhadamanthus? Doubtful.

I wanna be high :(


what's the PSD you mentioned Aeon? Curious what it is, have not heard of it..or atleast by that title. I had a long vactaion, I missed a lot of stuff.

Everyone has to argue every little opinion they have.

Including the OP to which you rightly challenged.

Let me know when you are ready to have discussions again, til then I will let you be.

Are you high?

No seriously, like - are you high? Do you just parrot stuff because you see "Aeon Amadi" in the thread and instantly thought, "BOY THIS IS A PERFECT OPPORTUNITY TO SHOW MUCH OF A JACKASS I CAN BE!"

That's all I can think bro. Because if you payed even -the slightest bit of attention- you'd know that I had absolutely no intentions of running for CPM 2 and hate the very notion fo it. You'd know that I don't need some stupid white tag to feel good about myself and be the drive to go and do those community-driven things that -I still occasionally do- despite posts like this constantly trying to drive me down because some ignorant nobody came along and figured they'd try to sound important.

And no, I stomp on anyone's feedback that differs from mine whenever they contradict me at every single turn. One Eyed King and I have -never- gotten along and I'm fairly sure we're all aware of that by now. Just because we don't agree, and likely never will, doesn't mean I'm not going to include him in on any of the community driven stuff that I actually do like the PSD if I ever get around to actually shouldering that weight again - what with the fact that it was basically just me doing it anyway.

But yanno, feel free to step up any time and shoulder some weight yourself and do something. Hell, I challenge you, personally, to go off and do something community driven. That doesn't mean go and argue with a bunch of people on the forums, that doesn't mean go and start liking a bunch of posts you agree with, I mean actually sit down and work some magic that betters the community as a whole - even the people you don't agree with.

Go do that, then you can come over here and start telling people who should or shouldn't run for the CPM. Even though those people aren't running anyway because they recognize you don't have to have the CPM moniker to do stuff around here.

EDIT: And yes, to educate you a bit on how things are run around here, a CPM member can and probably will disagree - sometimes quite verbally - with what someone else says. You're no good to anyone if you just go around agreeing with everything. CPM member that 'represents everyone' is a liar.

Then I withhold my statement, but no. I wasn't trying to be a "JACKASS", just from what I read here I don't agree with that statement I quoted and many others. And yes I know how things work around here. But even if a CMP/DEV team member disagrees with feedback they don't come out and say they don't care about such and such opinion.

Kay, well, I'm not a CPM and I'm not a Dev. So. Dunno what to tell you.

Well you claim that you try to do things that are community driven. Honestly technically everyone is, how do the devs know which items in the game are OP? from the data, who's responsible for the data? the community. Even those who don't even post once are still part of the data the team is gathering. Yet, from what I see if it doesn't suit you, you A: go against it, B:Ignore it. C: State theres no issue here.
Do you use scouts regularly? Run cloak regularly? If not, then why bother posting in this thread? yes you probably think cloaks are fine or w.e but yet most of us scouts and I mean dedicated scouts agree that cloaks are in a bad spot.

So, if you nyx the feedback of anyone who is not a Scout (something the Barbershop looooovessss to do) then what's left?

Can you recall the times you didn't see the cloak?

Oh noes! My feedback on a subject has been challenged by subject matter experts! What to do!?

A) Hear their counterpoints; reevaluate my position.
B) Hear their counterpoints; defend my position.
C) Throw a tantrum
D) Play the victim
E) Attack the subject matter experts!

Well your first mistake is thinking that only the user can weigh in on the topic.

I'll tell you the same thing they told me whenever I started saying that the Gallente Assault was in a bad spot - they're bias. Of course they want the cloaking to be better, because then they can reap the benefits of it. Sure, other roles "can" use cloaking devices but you change anything about them and the only ones who are going to see the effects are Scouts. So, if you nyx the feedback of anyone who is not a Scout (something the Barbershop looooovessss to do) then what's left?