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thehellisgoingon
MONSTER SYNERGY
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Posted - 2015.04.16 14:05:00 -
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I wonder if players with rank 4 and Lower can be recipients of items given. I was planning on giving items to random people. Who wants a 100 militia ion pistols.
It other news the market agent you sold to some mercs was a double F you. Haha. I knew it was a scam like most **** on here. And scamming is a way of life in eve I guess... player trading> Jara . Unless you don't wanna take a chance on being scammed or life as a hermit is more your thing. Or ur 12 and horny. |
Flint Beastgood III
GunFall Mobilization
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Posted - 2015.04.16 14:49:00 -
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ANAHEIM Darko wrote:Nevyn Tazinas wrote:
I can say for sure that alts on the same account do not all add towards the same loyalty rank. Aur purchases may add to all of them at once, but the log ins, and matches played/won apply to individual characters, I checked mine as I only run 1 PSN account.
However even if you could, it's still limited 'farming' since you can only use 2 alts to support your main, so that's hardly a significant impact. Though I guess repeated cycling of the alt for it's boosters could be abused if boosters are tradable. Maybe making boosters non tradable is worth it. Or make them only gifted to the first character created on an account, not every alt.
Really? I've logged in on 2 alts, clicked on 'Loyalty Rank' and it's shown the same as my main? Granted, I buy Aur. Whilst the impact may not be huge, it's 3 times as many components and experimental weapons, if these are tradeable, boosters aside.
Damn, I never even realised this, lol. I never use my main account ALTs, they are just CEOs. If they were allowed passive then most players wouldn't have other (farmable) accounts CCP, you do know that right? Also, I never would've put my other Templar sets on different PSN accounts which, due to this BS LR4 trading aspect, have now been wasted since I can't get them off of the ALTs.
I never had the intention of farming components and stuff (I rarely even log into my ALTs and I don't even think comp's should be tradeable) but now, in protest of LR4 trading, I will be farming my 2 main account ALTS as much as possible.
'LR4-Trading' Protester
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Mr.Pepe Le Pew
Art.of.Death
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Posted - 2015.04.16 15:08:00 -
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"Just when I think you couldn't possibly be any dumber, you go and do something like this... and TOTALLY REDEEM YOURSELF!"
Great job CCP! :D
CEO / Art.of.Death
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Nirwanda Vaughns
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Posted - 2015.04.16 15:20:00 -
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Thinking about the loyalty rank thing. i wonder if it should be a timed restriction more than a level thats near impossible to reach without spending a fortune on the game. In EVE you can't send isk or contracts and train certain skills while on a trial account so perhaps restrict trading to chars older than 90days or so? its a mechanic that can help new players get both equipment and spare isk by selling stuff they perhaps can't or don't use to corp mates yet loyalty 4 is pretty high to get to. I have an alt i pay very frequently and have spent a bit extra cash on to get merc pack and the guristas saga bpo code ect and even though he's over 2yr old he's still not level 4 yet either.
i understand that there is a need to limit alt farming but the extent required to train is almost turning it to a pay to win as if you don't invest in RL cash or a huge amount of time then an important and basic aspect of the game is taken away from you. or perhaps another shortcut would be that you have to be loyalty level 4 OR own Jara which instantly allows trading
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Luk Manag
of Terror
TRE GAFFEL
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Posted - 2015.04.16 16:14:00 -
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I don't have alt accounts, but why would anyone care if someone wants to use alt accounts?
There will be bullets. ACR+SMG [CEO of Terror]
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shaman oga
Dead Man's Game
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Posted - 2015.04.16 16:24:00 -
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The easiet solution would be mark certain items as untradable.
New player active booster? Just rename it or make it slightly different from normal boosters and mark it.
Warbarge components? Mark them.
Keys? Keys are actually gained via playthrough, i don't see any problem in trading them
Newsletter stuff? As far as i know you can't redeem old stuff with new subs. But from now on you can mark valuable stuff (boosters, officer stuff) as untradable.
Shifted in time, your tomorrow, my today.
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DaemonVok
Axis of Chaos
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Posted - 2015.04.16 19:03:00 -
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Honestly it should be like pokemon. You can't trade one pokemon without the other offering his. So as such, one player offer said payment or item, it sits in trading area until other player offers payment or item for payment, transaction goes through, both people happy.
Or, animal crossing, have items "put up" in a traders market, someone pays, bingity bang bang boom, sold. |
Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2015.04.16 20:21:00 -
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DaemonVok wrote:Honestly it should be like pokemon. You can't trade one pokemon without the other offering his. So as such, one player offer said payment or item, it sits in trading area until other player offers payment or item for payment, transaction goes through, both people happy.
Or, animal crossing, have items "put up" in a traders market, someone pays, bingity bang bang boom, sold.
Ever heard of rip offs in Eve Online? We do this all the time in Eve Online regardless of the transaction being secure. All I have to do is exploit the laziness of players to properly read a decimal point in a number and post the offer on the contracts market. Let's say I post a contract to want to buy a unit of PLEX that's worth 875,000,000.00 ISK (note the decimal) but mark the contract payment as 8,750,000.00 ISK Anyone who is too lazy to spot the discrepancy in the price would click "ACCEPT" and end up with only 8.75 million ISK after selling me the PLEX. Keep in mind that this is through secure channels.
Margin Trade scamming is another art but that requires a whole lecture to explain it to you. Window Trade scamming is yet another art that Eve players enjoy doing. Then there is the classic 'Navy Issue Ibis' scam which is very popular among trolls. Again, all of these utilize secure channels. The item sold and ISK paid still change hands, but either the buyer or seller get the short end of the stick.
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DaemonVok
Axis of Chaos
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Posted - 2015.04.16 21:20:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:DaemonVok wrote:Honestly it should be like pokemon. You can't trade one pokemon without the other offering his. So as such, one player offer said payment or item, it sits in trading area until other player offers payment or item for payment, transaction goes through, both people happy.
Or, animal crossing, have items "put up" in a traders market, someone pays, bingity bang bang boom, sold. Ever heard of rip offs in Eve Online? We do this all the time in Eve Online regardless of the transaction being secure. All I have to do is exploit the laziness of players to properly read a decimal point in a number and post the offer on the contracts market. Let's say I post a contract to want to buy a unit of PLEX that's worth 875,000,000.00 ISK (note the decimal) but mark the contract payment as 8,750,000.00 ISK Anyone who is too lazy to spot the discrepancy in the price would click "ACCEPT" and end up with only 8.75 million ISK after selling me the PLEX. Keep in mind that this is through secure channels. Margin Trade scamming is another art but that requires a whole lecture to explain it to you. Window Trade scamming is yet another art that Eve players enjoy doing. Then there is the classic 'Navy Issue Ibis' scam which is very popular among trolls. Again, all of these utilize secure channels. The item sold and ISK paid still change hands, but either the buyer or seller get the short end of the stick.
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Bright Steel
Horizons' Edge
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Posted - 2015.04.16 21:29:00 -
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By having the minimum level set at 4 right now it will ensure that only those with significant experience in dust will be trading at first and they will be working the bugs out.
These same ones should be smart enough to avoid being completely screwed by scammers, but at the same time they have the ability to take a lose a lot easier if they do get scammed.
I think it's smart to start at level 4 and let's see how it plays out...
Once the bugs are worked out then open it up to lower levels and such...
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LOOKMOM NOHANDS
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Posted - 2015.04.17 19:50:00 -
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Do we have a date on when this will be added? |
Flint Beastgood III
GunFall Mobilization
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Posted - 2015.04.18 09:39:00 -
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LOOKMOM NOHANDS wrote:Do we have a date on when this will be added?
No date, but there are only 2 weeks left in the month, so not long.
'LR4-Trading' Protester
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JOSHUA621 BRADLEY
KILL-EM-QUICK
Rise Of Legion.
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Posted - 2015.04.18 12:25:00 -
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STYLIE77 wrote:The Modern Creature wrote:Only for Loyalty Ranks 4+. And you say loyalty ranks can be earned easily? Hilarious. Just playing a character over a year and a half only took me to 2/3rds over 1. That's without paying. I'm sorry Rattati but you've gotten the 3rd tick for a total of 5. Stick this feature up your ass. So this is a feature for paying players eh? How much Aur does one need to buy to get rank 4?
  I spent 2,500 AUR and went from Loyalty rank 1 to Loyalty rank 2.
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JOSHUA621 BRADLEY
KILL-EM-QUICK
Rise Of Legion.
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Posted - 2015.04.18 15:59:00 -
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Just an idea regarding the Loyalty Rank RESTRICTION, Instead of restricting us to Loyalty Rank, why not make it so that non active accounts can't trade items or put a restriction on trading between the same PSN account. Because I have been playing every day for 4 months now(just started playing in January 2015) and am only at Loyalty rank 2 after spending 2.5k AURUM in the game, and I only get 50-100 Loyalty points a day from winning battles, logging in, etc. The only way to get a Loyalty rank of 4 without play for over a year is to spend a lot of AURUM and some of us enjoy playing the game but don't have extra money to buy AURUM all the time.
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CommanderBolt
KILL-EM-QUICK
Rise Of Legion.
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Posted - 2015.04.19 10:58:00 -
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JOSHUA621 BRADLEY wrote:Just an idea regarding the Loyalty Rank RESTRICTION, Instead of restricting us to Loyalty Rank, why not make it so that non active accounts can't trade items or put a restriction on trading between the same PSN account. Because I have been playing every day for 4 months now(just started playing in January 2015) and am only at Loyalty rank 2 after spending 2.5k AURUM in the game, and I only get 50-100 Loyalty points a day from winning battles, logging in, etc. The only way to get a Loyalty rank of 4 without play for over a year is to spend a lot of AURUM and some of us enjoy playing the game but don't have extra money to buy AURUM all the time.
Yea I had hoped that there would be another way for young but still involved players to get a hand in trading.
If its possible for older players like myself to trade on your behalf then I will do man :)
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Radiant Pancake3
Y.A.M.A.H
57
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Posted - 2015.04.19 14:51:00 -
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CommanderBolt wrote:JOSHUA621 BRADLEY wrote:Just an idea regarding the Loyalty Rank RESTRICTION, Instead of restricting us to Loyalty Rank, why not make it so that non active accounts can't trade items or put a restriction on trading between the same PSN account. Because I have been playing every day for 4 months now(just started playing in January 2015) and am only at Loyalty rank 2 after spending 2.5k AURUM in the game, and I only get 50-100 Loyalty points a day from winning battles, logging in, etc. The only way to get a Loyalty rank of 4 without play for over a year is to spend a lot of AURUM and some of us enjoy playing the game but don't have extra money to buy AURUM all the time. Yea I had hoped that there would be another way for young but still involved players to get a hand in trading. If its possible for older players like myself to trade on your behalf then I will do man :)
That seems nice...
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Fristname Family name
Condotta Rouvenor
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.04.19 22:08:00 -
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Just informing you CCP... I have a max daily bonus over 580days and have a game every day atleast now and im rank 3... please buff point acquisition or nerf the requirements. Its not 'easy' to get those points by logging in daily or anything like that when i use to be a player that capped 3accounts weekly and continued playing on my main 'Inmortal Slayer' and after 580+ daily bonus and not missing a single day since that update not missing out on any event that i think is worth to sit down and play for hours through . but still rank 3 4000points to go. that will need to be grinded like hell to get to 4. please change the requirements to xdays played cause what will people farm alts for? ars or something well they would farm the dailys isk and just buy them..... reconsiders the resurrections.
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LOOKMOM NOHANDS
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Posted - 2015.04.19 22:24:00 -
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Fristname Family name wrote:Just informing you CCP... I have a max daily bonus over 580days and have a game every day atleast now and im rank 3... please buff point acquisition or nerf the requirements. Its not 'easy' to get those points by logging in daily or anything like that when i use to be a player that capped 3accounts weekly and continued playing on my main 'Inmortal Slayer' and after 580+ daily bonus and not missing a single day since that update not missing out on any event that i think is worth to sit down and play for hours through . but still rank 3 4000points to go. that will need to be grinded like hell to get to 4. please change the requirements to xdays played cause what will people farm alts for? ars or something well they would farm the dailys isk and just buy them..... reconsiders the resurrections.
Just spend 8000 AUR.
On a serious note holy crap I knew that gain outside of AUR spending was bad but wow.
I am now firmly on the side of changing this limitation. All this is doing is locking it to the point of making farming possible for people that are willing to shell out some money on being able to alt farm.
Once boosters can be traded we can just buy boosters on our alts and send them to our main. Limiting alt farming to paying people in this fashion is not pay to win but it really not good for the community as a whole.
I would say that trading needs to be limited to players who have played a certain number of battles or something that is actually related to participation and not just if you are either lucky enough to have been here for a long time or are willing to spend money on that character.
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Brightness Fullheart
Eternal Beings
0
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Posted - 2015.04.20 01:25:00 -
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I've been playing dust for more than a year and ask anyone that has played with me or against me, I am a good player. Tho I'm only loyalty rank level 3 and CCP is saying I won't be able to do the player trade which is bull. It's not fair that people who use freakin aur are like rank 8 on all their characters and someone who carved their path without the use of real money can't trade with everyone else. CCP Logic |
Fristname Family name
Condotta Rouvenor
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.04.20 06:51:00 -
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LOOKMOM NOHANDS wrote:Fristname Family name wrote:Just informing you CCP... I have a max daily bonus over 580days and have a game every day atleast now and im rank 3... please buff point acquisition or nerf the requirements.
Removed because max characters . Removed the quote because i hit max characters
I personally think they should have it so both players MUST be online at the same time. this will limit alt farming (cant see much benifit as i already can just grind my 4 accounts for daily mission isk and dump it into a pile to move around between them if i wanted but i see no point as after hitting x-mill isk there is not much point in caring how much your stuff cost as you know you can easily grind a ambush with your cheaper ft and get 1mll+ in a few hours or less.
So what is the benefits of alt farming?
The only benefit would be transferring gear as i have said. If there's a limited time suit that lots of people want its gonna be worth more money (thus people will be willing to trade/scam/pay more, trade their valuables or scam more- i will come back to scamming and how to fix it) then if people had alts and want more money or gear they have run out of such as officer gear (by money im referring to isk) and that suit was once given out to all players or previously on a daily mission they had then they will get heaps of money/good gear until people find another way of getting it (this is pretty much average player trading economy in most MMORPG games) i would like to move my officer gear my main cant use to alts that can ect but ohwell i guess its no biggie ill just horde them and sell them for a bigger profit with my own plans for the trading update.
I guess i more positive thing is that also new players would benefit from vets 'donating' (yes being nice like some of them are) gear to new mercs to get them started and could lead to the vet taking a few new players under their wing every so often and just distributing their standard/advanced gear and advice on it ect (maybe i don't know most of the players who i know are good players/vets too well I just know their name and assume they wouldn't wanna squad with me so yeah)
and of course spending more AUR (i hate to put this here but for CCP's sake i will as im sure alot of players who arent willing to speak up about it will just rush out and get AUR to quickly level up their rank just for the trading. feels a bit sad that its gonna become either you play and cap every week/spend AUR to get rank 4 so you can have a little fun with trading or you just stay a weekend warrior and never get to trade a single item in your life in Dust 514...)
Negatives Of Player Trading
Well ill just start with the obvious, in the early stages (a few months maybe 3 or 5months max... hopefully) NO ONE (yes no one) will know the value of ANYTHING. here is an example using Steve- a vet player i came up with (not a real player)
and Jim (some guy who plays Dust and isn't a frequent user of forums and only rarely checks them and is not the brightest crayon in the box) Quote: Steve: hey look you got the valentines quafe suit from last year. Jim- yeah they are pretty aren't they. Steve- ill give you my 50limited edition 2.0 something something blue modules which are no longer available and haven't been for over a year and a half for 50 of those suits. Jim- Hmmm... i dont know... ive heard rumors of people scamming others, but if you throw in 100k isk you've got a deal. Steve- sure thing (owning over 500mill he laughs at Jim behind his muted mic) *they continue with the trade and Jim unaware that he is a bit of a silly billy just lost him self a few hundred/thousand AUR (lets say 8000 AUR was spent on the suits) or in real money if he bought a 10,000 AUR pack it would be $7.55 Australian dollars. meanwhile Steve is walking in his merc house in a pretty pink suit which he then distributes to a few of his close friends and they form a squad named pink death kiss and laugh at the fact that Jim was dumb. yes i know it may have dragged on (and with those blue mods i dont know when they were around but yeah just an example of noob being scammed kinda ) but the point is that will be kinda what goes on for the initial stages of the trade or otherwise a bunch of people get scammed and mark the scammers of New Eden (whom are just accounts set up by people who are vets or meanies who scam everyone and move the loot to their main) and that is if they implement this next paragraph
My Proposed Ways To Limit Exploits And The Pure Forum Spam Of Crying From People Whom Have Been Scammed
and yes the 2nd part of the title of this paragraph i would bet alot of money on that it will happen for a little while atleast.
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Condotta Rouvenor
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.04.20 06:53:00 -
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If they implement something like a few MMORPG games i know of use (i dont play MMORPG's often but yeah there is alot with the system im about to explain) where both players must be online at the time of the trade and they enter a trading screen when both parties (player A & player B) agree to the trade request. After the request has been excepted both parties then select the item/items (currency, gear or whatever) and when both players have agreed on the proposed offers the trade commences and the message saying 'Trade Successful' or something like that will appear and they are done.
(i will continue this later on but i hit character limit for now and i think i need a little rest for an hour or so. also the next few things will be regarding the ranks and other restrictions along with something you can actually do to prevent scams if victims have evidence and the scammer is a repeat offender and/or is exploiting the game/trade mechanics or new players experience of the game by exploiting their lack of in game knowledge. also maybe something else if i can think of more that can be, no it SHOULD BE improved because i was thinking "oh boy player trading" had a look "WTF is this.. just send isk but with gear.. its like they want us to be scammed"
Just a little thing i edited in to say to everyone here about why im even bothering with these suggestions and stating things
what i want to attempt to achieve is to actually make a contribution and hopefully be listened to and get some other people realizing that this trading system is not as good as it could be. i know CCP 'may' have worked its slaves to the bone to get this up and running but im kinda hoping that it can be made into something alot better. and maybe even have a public market place down the road for Dust (or at least in legion) i just know i wouldn't feel comfortable trading my gear first to some complete random because i wouldn't trust them. any way im going to try and contribute to this more because all i want is for my game to become better than it is. By making a good player trading we are now even better than destiny than we previously were (lets face it that game is bad) but we still wont have a 'good' player trading system it would be something i expect to see in a Call Of Duty or Battlefield game at the moment. CCP lets see what you can really do to make this trading system for the players rather than for the money so we can actually use it and trust the people we are trading with and hope for the best :D
(i had over the limit apparently still so i cut this out and am posting it separate as you can see :P )
also i might write the next part tomorrow or tonight depending on if i watch anime or not.
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Condotta Rouvenor
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.04.21 09:29:00 -
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Alright lets get right into this. my main account is currently at 'Corporal' (Rank 3 in loyalty rank), anyone who is in a higher rank may be completely unaware of the amount if time needed to pass rank 3. i think it would require roughly 9000/10,000 points to clear as i am a little past half way and still require 4,322 points to get to the next rank. Now that account is over 1year old and has at the moment i write this 36,460,722sp and over 1,300,000 life time wp and well over 1000games played (i use to play for over 50hours a week if i wasn't doing much and that was alot, so i would say if you checked my total playtime CCP (please don and tell me the answer i am curious about it) it would most likely be over 5months of playtime. I also have a positive kdr and a 595 consecutive daily bonus and i dont plan on losing that anytime soon. (now to you all who have 'lives' that is currently the maximum daily bonus available on the current date of 21/4/2015 (or 4/21/2015 if your American) and i earn points per day for collecting my bonus) now taking this all into consideration i have spent $0 on the game and have thought about it but most likely never will. now lets see how this adds up to me only being level 3. im already going to assume i most likely get +1 point/per every day you play so even with my 595dayily bonus I receive +1 point rather than any stacking effect happening or at least a +6 for the max bonus. (by max bonus here i am referring to the reward of 6consecutive days) now anyway how does this all added up only put me at rank 3? i have no idea, something like spending AUR most likely would raise your points by something like 10/1AUR. I'm not saying to change this but why would you think making the trading require rank 3 when a majority of 'weekend warriors' don't play enough or don't spend any real money in the game which instantly results in someone who plays for lets say 4-15hours on one day of the weekend and then x2 = total game play in a week with no days off work or whatever they do during the week would have only played roughly between 8-30hours in a week. no matter how good or how long these weekend warriors have been around there is almost no chance that they would be able to access player trading within their Dust life unless they buy AUR. also with this note of AUR=insta rank up pretty much whats to stop people from spending real money to farm alts? or is this not a problem as its making you a profit? A much more appropriate way of limiting the player trading is by adding restrictions to the amount of trading accounts can do such as the following.
- If player has under x (i would say between 50-100 is fair) days, player cannot send items to other players (so only receives gear cannot send gear and all players would be aware of restrictions when sending items via i color code or message that appears with what the player cannot do in the trading system when another player goes to send them something (prior to selecting items to send because players often spam x alot of the time and the box must be closed by pushing left and then x to insure players know what is happening rather than expecting something in return then complaining they had no idea they were unable to send back)
- possibly only players above x sp (with today's sp gain i would say 10mill but i would have to say 4-5mill is fair for the newer players when/if they come but 10mill would be better in my opinion) would be able to sen (so pretty much same thing as last mail except rather than merc age its sp)
- possibly kills or war points would be another way to implement the restrictions previously mentioned.
- players who have not logged in for 50days+ are unable to receive items. (to prevent sending items to inactive characters and to never receive items back) if a player whom was inactive for 50+days logs in again they will be unable to trade for x days. or without logging in x amount of days within x amount of time.
- A player who has had a temp ban in game (possibly on the forums if it has occurred numerous times) they have a temp on trading.
they are about it for the restrictions i had in mind.
and on another note i noticed someone said something refrencing to animal crossing how you list your item and it goes into a separate section of the market place where players can search for their desired item and the player whom listed it will have a set price or possible trades he wants to do along with an option to message the player. that way of trading is much more efficient then the one proposed by CCP so far but may be difficult for them to set it up. although the players are excited for the trading i hope they are able to realize that you have to make it above average before releasing the feature and im sure they will be able to wait. The system for trading which would be used for the actual trading of gear which would work best would be the 'Pokemon' way which i mentioned in a earlier post that alot of MMORPG's use is the best. both players show gear both players accept trade happens everyone's happy no rip offs unless its your own mistake such as carelessness or lack of value knowledge.
600 characters left i will add another tomorrow.
by the way CCP im pretty sure you have read these so far and i would actually really like to know if you would consider making alot of these changes to the trading system and possibly postpone the release if it is required to completely overhaul the thing and make it better than it is.
Cya 
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Gyn Wallace
Ready to Play
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Posted - 2015.04.21 16:06:00 -
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"We expect trusted merchants to start offering their services, which is a fascinating subject in and of its own, and we will be adding a Player Trading section to the DUST 514 forums for you all to make and discuss your trades."
If you haven't implemented a notification system that includes something like an automated evemail when someone "gifts" something to me, as a middleman or clearing house, you absolutely shouldn't expect players like me, generally willing to pick up that kind of slack in this game's market features, to eagerly put our noses down to the task of turning this particular grinding wheel.
I've no plans to offer escrow or trading services prior to your announcing a notification system that would even mildly mitigate the hassle of trying to operate a business within the currently described system.
I'm trying to imagine verifying receipt of an item or stack of items from someone to facilitate a trade, without manually tracking my entire asset inventory constantly. There is no profitable, honest business opportunity here. Everyone pretending to be a businessman under this simple "trading" model, absent some kind of notification system, will either be a masochist or a scammer.
Thank you for your efforts and progress; but no thank you, if you're presenting this an a business opportunity for middlemen like me,
-Gyn Wallace/Min Lo
The Dust/Eve Isk Exchange Thread
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Fristname Family name
Condotta Rouvenor
Gallente Federation
99
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Posted - 2015.04.24 10:02:00 -
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https://instagram.com/p/wD6uU3oiqd/?taken-by=shooterwilliamson
this is how alot of the player base has reacted and then there's me complaining about it.
but honestly CCP you cant use loyalty rank 4 for the requirements just change it to total playtime/sp/kills/games won or character age.. weekend warriors and new players will never be able to use trading otherwise.
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SHOOT HIM NOTIME
Random Gunz
Rise Of Legion.
4
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Posted - 2015.04.24 22:00:00 -
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Hmm I love the idea of player trading but you should make it too were you can trade something of equal value or agreed apon isk trade to prevent the scamming issue .
Ak.0...Scr VizamBEWARE OF THE SHOOT HIM =ƒÿ+=ƒæî=ƒæê
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Condotta Rouvenor
Gallente Federation
102
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Posted - 2015.04.24 23:42:00 -
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SHOOT HIM NOTIME wrote:Hmm I love the idea of player trading but you should make it too were you can trade something of equal value or agreed apon isk trade to prevent the scamming issue .
http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Trade
this i the trading system they should use (i couldnt find a defiance screen shot and cant be bothered taking a pic and uploading it then linking it cause im playing Dust :P )
or this one
http://www.wowwiki.com/Auction_House might work if CCP can do it
but i would properly be accused if scamming cause people will send me stuff or money and i wont send back cause i didnt know they sent XD
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Kalante Schiffer
Ancient Exiles.
1105
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Posted - 2015.04.25 03:25:00 -
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Brightness Fullheart wrote:I've been playing dust for more than a year and ask anyone that has played with me or against me, I am a good player. Tho I'm only loyalty rank level 3 and CCP is saying I won't be able to do the player trade which is bull. It's not fair that people who use freakin aur are like rank 8 on all their characters and someone who carved their path without the use of real money can't trade with everyone else. CCP Logic actually your logic is quiet flawed. You are only loyalty rank 3 and has played over a year you say? How is that even possible? have you not spent at least 10 dollars to support the game? How cheap can you be. Also people that spent money do not get their loyalty rank raised throughout all characters, only one. You are not a good player ive never seen you playing planetary conquest so nice try trying to epeen.
Seriously if this is what the player base has come to LOL. Just a Bunch of entitled noncontributing crybabies that somehow deserve better pampering? whatever happened to HTFU?
AE. Ringing fee. 2 isk.
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D4GG3R
Opus Arcana
860
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Posted - 2015.04.25 03:49:00 -
[148] - Quote
Kalante Schiffer wrote:Brightness Fullheart wrote:I've been playing dust for more than a year and ask anyone that has played with me or against me, I am a good player. Tho I'm only loyalty rank level 3 and CCP is saying I won't be able to do the player trade which is bull. It's not fair that people who use freakin aur are like rank 8 on all their characters and someone who carved their path without the use of real money can't trade with everyone else. CCP Logic actually your logic is quiet flawed. You are only loyalty rank 3 and has played over a year you say? How is that even possible? have you not spent at least 10 dollars to support the game? How cheap can you be. Also people that spent money do not get their loyalty rank raised throughout all characters, only one. You are not a good player ive never seen you playing planetary conquest so nice try trying to epeen. Seriously if this is what the player base has come to LOL. Just a Bunch of entitled noncontributing crybabies that somehow deserve better pampering? whatever happened to HTFU?
Oh snap. Rekt Nerd
I'm pretty plain.
I watch anime for the boobs
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Fristname Family name
Condotta Rouvenor
Gallente Federation
104
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Posted - 2015.04.25 05:48:00 -
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Kalante Schiffer wrote:Brightness Fullheart wrote:I've been playing dust for more than a year and ask anyone that has played with me or against me, I am a good player. Tho I'm only loyalty rank level 3 and CCP is saying I won't be able to do the player trade which is bull. It's not fair that people who use freakin aur are like rank 8 on all their characters and someone who carved their path without the use of real money can't trade with everyone else. CCP Logic actually your logic is quiet flawed. You are only loyalty rank 3 and has played over a year you say? How is that even possible? have you not spent at least 10 dollars to support the game? How cheap can you be. Also people that spent money do not get their loyalty rank raised throughout all characters, only one. You are not a good player ive never seen you playing planetary conquest so nice try trying to epeen. Seriously if this is what the player base has come to LOL. Just a Bunch of entitled noncontributing crybabies that somehow deserve better pampering? whatever happened to HTFU?
I almost spent money on the game once... then i thought about it and said to my self there isnt anything worth yet.
just to make you happy ill buy the next thing i think is worth. but what about people who are new? or play 2times a week on the weekends? theres no real reason for them to bother buying AUR.
also theres no real reason to put money into the game and everything use to be cheaper in the game (by everything i mean like BPO gear and stuff). also your comment of "Just a Bunch of entitled noncontributing crybabies that somehow deserve better pampering" i can see where your coming from but what happens to the players that are new ect are they just neglected unless they buy AUR? or are they just nothing to you anyway.. the way you said what you did was a bit overkill and there was nothing saying "people who give us money get special treatment" ever.
maybe they should have a sale on AUR maybe get 10% extra with every purchase and they will sell a bunch.
and are you honestly happy with the actual scamming, i mean trading system they are going to use? The fact that its trust based and fair bit of people in this game would scam you at any chance they get i would rather have the release postponed for as long as they need to make it better than to have a long list of complaints from baby's losing their BPO's because they think everything in the transaction is correct. all i need to do is add a decimal into the number and if you dont spot it then your out millions of isk or because they sent their gear 1st.
ill have to go buy a psn card tho... i want myself some passive sp boosters and BPO gear if they are looking good enough still.
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Rowdy Rambo
Holdfast Syndicate
Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2015.04.26 20:08:00 -
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Dammit,I have been excited for this for some time now and have already fixed some deals only to find out that my loyalty rank 2 cant trade?!?My loyalty rank is only 2 since i had a kind of long break before and sometime after this was introduced.Would have been nice if loyalty rank was determined taking into consideration all the things i did before it was introduced.
I admit that im not the best player but i sure have played a lot of matches.
Hopefully CCP might find a criteria better than loyalty rank to secure player trade from scams like say lifetime war points. |
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