It's not always wise to take forum statements at face value. Players waiting consistently for 10 mins does not happen. It can happen as an extreme one-off cases, one in every 1000 battles.

Just like players that said they had nothing but 3 v 16 matches for a whole day. Out of 12 battles I checked on those statements, 12 started as perfect balanced 14v14 or higher, one battle players quit to take it down to 3v16. The rest were full and fought until the end.

Seconded.

I worry that ISK efficiency as a constant reminder to new players that they are losing money may be demoralizing.

I know when I made money, and when I didn't, as a veteran.

I worry that ISK efficiency as a constant reminder to new players that they are losing money may be demoralizing.

I know when I made money, and when I didn't, as a veteran.

It's not always wise to take forum statements at face value. Players waiting consistently for 10 mins does not happen. It can happen as an extreme one-off cases, one in every 1000 battles.

Rattati, can the scoreboard during the match show squads, maybe via colored highlights?

The comment of one guy, that he had 14 solos on his team, coupled with another guy mentioning that not all squads are of a single corp, made me think that this would be a useful addition.
It might even help with troubleshooting in the future. At the very least, it would remove some misconceptions.

**** THAT.


The Scoreboard is the LAggiest crappiest piece of mechanic that everyone is forced to use daily...


Your on the field and hit the scoreboard button? Might aswell prepare to die... You're stuck loading up simple information for 15 seconds while having a 10-15 second UI delay while it transfers...

Oh yea TTK is 1-2 seconds.

Who ever at CCP took the scoreboard that came up with 0 loading and you could call up quick like Counter-strike... Then decided to make it one of the worst features in the game that should be a staple to the solid FPS mechanics. Deserves a kick in the nutts.

Then be kept after work for a few hours each day until he fixes it.

I worry that ISK efficiency as a constant reminder to new players that they are losing money may be demoralizing.

I know when I made money, and when I didn't, as a veteran.

Isk efficiency is a bad stat, primarily due to the number of free suits in this game. If isk efficiency becomes the meta, people will just run pansy ass free suits all day long to stay on top of that meta.

That said, you don't need an efficiency stat in terms of isk. You can run an isk/aurum/resource destroyed stat, while ignoring an isk lost stat. Without an isk lost stat, efficiency isn't necessary.

That being the case, I would much rather have numbers pop up after every clone/vehicle is destroyed telling me how much isk I just burned out of somebodies wallet. That is a more enjoyable number to me than warpoints.


I would also cap the number of free gear a person can run every hour based on a passively regenerating resource, which too is tracked when it is destroyed.

Note that a lot of people from different corps do squad together. Also, Rattati can look up what matches you were playing and literally confirm you are wrong. If you so wish. :)

CCP Rattati, with respect I think you may be confusing profit with ISK-Efficiency.

The formula for ISK-Efficiency would be:

(the ISK-value of suits/vehicles destroyed - the ISK-value of suits/vehicles lost) / some normalizer (like deaths, or matches played)

It has no relationship to match payouts or actual income. The ISK value for things like BPO's and AUR gear would be calculated as the equivalent ISK gear and the starter suits would be the only true 0 ISK suits. This should have the effect of giving NEW PLAYERS a VERY HIGH ISK-efficiency stat since they're running 0 ISK stuff (except for the special issue suits).

Additionally, we could give logistics players a "guardian" bonus like we do with WP's where they get a commission as some reasonable percentage of the kills made by other players they're repairing.

If it's not too much trouble (and I don't think the code would be that tough), have one of your guys put together a script to crunch the numbers for what this stat would look like. Run the crazy statistical analysis stuff you do on the numbers and see how it would look for new players vs. other groups. It would be interesting to see it plotted against matches played, Mu and K/D for example. It might also be useful for informing the vehicle vs. A/V discussion as well.

I'm mostly having a blast with the new matchmaking. Judging from the opposition, I'm in the vet bracket. Matches have certainly gotten a lot more intense and close, but that's 100% positive in my book.

Since I mostly play base HP, advanced scout suits and have always enjoyed the challenge of disrupting proto stomp squads, I'm used to being the underdog. So the main thing that's changed for me is that my team is no longer bursting at the seams with clueless blueberrie, and are a great help instead of just cannon fodder.

Yesterday my team even faced a Prima Gallicus stomp squad, and most of my team actually tried beating them, instead of just giving up after the first two minutes! Imagine that :-D

It's not always wise to take forum statements at face value. Players waiting consistently for 10 mins does not happen. It can happen as an extreme one-off cases, one in every 1000 battles.

Just like players that said they had nothing but 3 v 16 matches for a whole day. Out of 12 battles I checked on those statements, 12 started as perfect balanced 14v14 or higher, one battle players quit to take it down to 3v16. The rest were full and fought until the end.

I worry that ISK efficiency as a constant reminder to new players that they are losing money may be demoralizing.

I know when I made money, and when I didn't, as a veteran.

**** THAT.


The Scoreboard is the LAggiest crappiest piece of mechanic that everyone is forced to use daily...


Your on the field and hit the scoreboard button? Might aswell prepare to die... You're stuck loading up simple information for 15 seconds while having a 10-15 second UI delay while it transfers...

Oh yea TTK is 1-2 seconds.

Who ever at CCP took the scoreboard that came up with 0 loading and you could call up quick like Counter-strike... Then decided to make it one of the worst features in the game that should be a staple to the solid FPS mechanics. Deserves a kick in the nutts.

Then be kept after work for a few hours each day until he fixes it.

I worry that ISK efficiency as a constant reminder to new players that they are losing money may be demoralizing.

I know when I made money, and when I didn't, as a veteran.

Isk efficiency is a bad stat, primarily due to the number of free suits in this game. If isk efficiency becomes the meta, people will just run pansy ass free suits all day long to stay on top of that meta.

That said, you don't need an efficiency stat in terms of isk. You can run an isk/aurum/resource destroyed stat, while ignoring an isk lost stat. Without an isk lost stat, efficiency isn't necessary.

That being the case, I would much rather have numbers pop up after every clone/vehicle is destroyed telling me how much isk I just burned out of somebodies wallet. That is a more enjoyable number to me than warpoints.


I would also cap the number of free gear a person can run every hour based on a passively regenerating resource, which too is tracked when it is destroyed.

It's not always wise to take forum statements at face value. Players waiting consistently for 10 mins does not happen. It can happen as an extreme one-off cases, one in every 1000 battles.

Just like players that said they had nothing but 3 v 16 matches for a whole day. Out of 12 battles I checked on those statements, 12 started as perfect balanced 14v14 or higher, one battle players quit to take it down to 3v16. The rest were full and fought until the end.

LOL. K, maybe they were just very organised "groups" of reds and not two squads, regardless, our team had 14 soloists.

The Scoreboard is the LAggiest crappiest piece of mechanic that everyone is forced to use daily...


Your on the field and hit the scoreboard button? Might aswell prepare to die... You're stuck loading up simple information for 15 seconds while having a 10-15 second UI delay while it transfers...

Are you sure they were all soloists on your team?

I just realized now that there is a way to check for team composition by looking at your Team Chat. Any players who are in a squad in your team will clearly be shown in their own squads in the player listings with soloists being in their own NO SQUAD category.



That's why I check the roster back in my redline where I am safe. I usually check the roster anyways at least twice per match. Once at the start and once more at the end of the match. If I have the time while somewhere safe or if I'm waiting to respawn, I can check the roster midway through the match.

So far, I have not died as a result of reading the roster.

That's why I check the roster back in my redline where I am safe. I usually check the roster anyways at least twice per match. Once at the start and once more at the end of the match. If I have the time while somewhere safe or if I'm waiting to respawn, I can check the roster midway through the match.

So far, I have not died as a result of reading the roster.

literally impossible

I worry that ISK efficiency as a constant reminder to new players that they are losing money may be demoralizing.

I know when I made money, and when I didn't, as a veteran.

Must be nice to only ever hit the exact button you intend to everytime for nearly 3 years I think you have been playing DUST.

Just seems extremely un realistic to me... call me a skeptic.


Fact still remains.. If you hit the scoreboard anywhere close to a hostile... Your rolling the dice with death... If your finger slips... Your rolling a dice with death.

For a feature that should be information we recall and reflect upon often... The scoreboard...

With it operating as terribly as it does now? It is a feature that a majority of players never use, except in the warbarge or to check their score at the end match screen.

A few years playing this game and we get jadded about certain things... But any player coming into DUST for the first time and gets to experience the score board will be extremely unhappy about it.

Now that you know it's there, I hope that you look at it before each match. Just to get an idea of how rampant solo play is when you consider the plight of all these poor souls getting picked on by the vets.

I'm just a little dumbstruck by what I realized earlier. I may have realized a long time ago but later forgot because I don't bother with team chat anymore. Mainly because proper matchmaking didn't exist back then and thus I felt it pointless to look at team chat.