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Mad Syringe
ReDust Inc.
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Posted - 2015.04.06 16:49:00 -
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zzZaXxx wrote:Once again....SCR and LR damage profile needs to change to +15%/-15% against shields. Shields work well against rail, great against projectile, ok against plasma (unless you're too close), but SCR and now ASCR just melt you instantly. IMBA
Armor gets the business from projectile, but at least they have to get relatively close to you. SCR own shields from afar before you can do anything. So you basically just have to hope you don't run into too many SCR.
I don't agree on the Lazor rifle though, as it's like the opposite to all things explosive (MD, grenades) It should stay at +20%/-20% shield/armour. Just makes sense, that the auto weapons get a less extreme profile, while the special weapons stay at the extreme end of it.
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Sgt Kirk
Fatal Absolution
Negative-Feedback
10068
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Posted - 2015.04.06 17:25:00 -
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Squagga wrote:I appreciate your input. However. I never had to fight from far away before. Now they're forcing me to do so? I've been Caldari since the beginning of this game, now they're defining my playstyle, that I've had for years?
God forbid we have to change the way we play as this game progresses right guys?
I've been here since Mordu and I know you've been here for a long time too.
Adapting is something we all have to do
That's exactly why Aldin only uses Tanks and Forges now and why a lot of veterans don't give the same amount of fear like they used to in the old days.
As long as 5/6 (83%) of infantry AV weapons are Anti Armor based you're never going to achieve vehicle balance CCP
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Alena Ventrallis
Ahrendee Inc.
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Posted - 2015.04.06 17:29:00 -
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Caldari are supposed to be ranged fighters. The problem is that almost all maps are centered around CQC, meaning Caldari playstyle is sub-optimal.
The issue with shields is that the one thing shield has going for it, namely high regen, is easily stopped by any weapon at nearly any range, and the lack of team support for shield suits.
Whirly gun make much thunder! - Victor
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Himiko Kuronaga
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2015.04.06 17:29:00 -
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Last time Aldin gave me serious issues was when he had a logi LAV self-repping his shields as he tanked the world with his heavy suit.
But that's just picking on him. The point is, every build the meta changes and people change their bullshit tactics to deal with it.
But for real though, Caldari with RR's. do suck. They fight at range they lose to SCR, they fight up close they lose to SCR/AR.
Just a bad setup from start to finish.
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sir RAVEN WING
Horizons' Edge
3307
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Posted - 2015.04.06 17:53:00 -
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Sgt Kirk wrote:Squagga wrote:I appreciate your input. However. I never had to fight from far away before. Now they're forcing me to do so? I've been Caldari since the beginning of this game, now they're defining my playstyle, that I've had for years? God forbid we have to change the way we play as this game progresses right guys? I've been here since Mordu and I know you've been here for a long time too. Adapting is something we all have to do That's exactly why Aldin only uses Tanks and Forges now and why a lot of veterans don't give the same amount of fear like they used to in the old days.
Kirk, we have both been here from Mordu's, while I don't agree with Squagga's 'We shouldn't have to change' I do believe we should at least have some breathing room.
The Gallente have their breathing room.
The Amarr has a whole apartment complex for their breathing room
The Minmatar have their mansion for breathing room
The Caldari... well.. hmm...
I hardly even use Caldari anymore because it is on a steady decline into 'pillowsuits.'
Now if we may discuss ways of fixing the shields without making them OP. (With the lack of proper shield weapons they will have very few counters) then let's throw idea out?
"Vengeance. Vengeance is the name of the monster that consumed me so long ago." - Sir Raven Wing
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Shamarskii Simon
The Hundred Acre Hood
Rise Of Legion.
273
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Posted - 2015.04.06 19:35:00 -
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An idea?
Start with 12 sHP buff to extenders, 0.4/0.5 reduction to recharge delay
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2015.04.06 20:45:00 -
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sir RAVEN WING wrote:
The Amarr has a whole apartment complex for their breathing room
Cover? **** you man we are the cover!
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And with strange aeons even death may die.GÇ¥
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Squagga
The State Protectorate
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Posted - 2015.04.06 22:19:00 -
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Sgt Kirk wrote:Squagga wrote:I appreciate your input. However. I never had to fight from far away before. Now they're forcing me to do so? I've been Caldari since the beginning of this game, now they're defining my playstyle, that I've had for years? God forbid we have to change the way we play as this game progresses right guys? I've been here since Mordu and I know you've been here for a long time too. Adapting is something we all have to do That's exactly why Aldin only uses Tanks and Forges now and why a lot of veterans don't give the same amount of fear like they used to in the old days.
I'll admit that it sounded rediculous, when I said that. Of course we have to change and adapt. However the Cal suits have come close to unusable, and I want that changed. I do respect your opinion and just want a fair game, just like you've fought for your race
Reloading, the silent killer.
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2015.04.06 22:26:00 -
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Squagga wrote:Sgt Kirk wrote:Squagga wrote:I appreciate your input. However. I never had to fight from far away before. Now they're forcing me to do so? I've been Caldari since the beginning of this game, now they're defining my playstyle, that I've had for years? God forbid we have to change the way we play as this game progresses right guys? I've been here since Mordu and I know you've been here for a long time too. Adapting is something we all have to do That's exactly why Aldin only uses Tanks and Forges now and why a lot of veterans don't give the same amount of fear like they used to in the old days. I'll admit that it sounded rediculous, when I said that. Of course we have to change and adapt. However the Cal suits have come close to unusable, and I want that changed. I do respect your opinion and just want a fair game, just like you've fought for your race
And yet you have everything content wise and a bag of chips and are still moaning because you do not wish to play your role on the field? I mean I'll admit Caldari content needs more durability to truly represent them as a faction but beyond that you guys are golden......in a proverbial sense.
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And with strange aeons even death may die.GÇ¥
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Imp Smash
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
759
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Posted - 2015.04.07 02:11:00 -
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My 2 isk.
Shield extenders shouldn't have a delay penalty. sHP is fine. Shield reppers (transporters) should be in game in both reptool and nanohive form. Map sockets should have a higher percentage of open hack objectives. |
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Squagga
The State Protectorate
452
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Posted - 2015.04.07 02:15:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Squagga wrote:Sgt Kirk wrote:Squagga wrote:I appreciate your input. However. I never had to fight from far away before. Now they're forcing me to do so? I've been Caldari since the beginning of this game, now they're defining my playstyle, that I've had for years? God forbid we have to change the way we play as this game progresses right guys? I've been here since Mordu and I know you've been here for a long time too. Adapting is something we all have to do That's exactly why Aldin only uses Tanks and Forges now and why a lot of veterans don't give the same amount of fear like they used to in the old days. I'll admit that it sounded rediculous, when I said that. Of course we have to change and adapt. However the Cal suits have come close to unusable, and I want that changed. I do respect your opinion and just want a fair game, just like you've fought for your race And yet you have everything content wise and a bag of chips and are still moaning because you do not wish to play your role on the field? I mean I'll admit Caldari content needs more durability to truly represent them as a faction but beyond that you guys are golden......in a proverbial sense.
Ever since beta closed, they've been trying to nerf the Caldari. What's the use of having all the weapons, if you die before you can get a shot off?
Reloading, the silent killer.
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Project Carnifax
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Posted - 2015.04.07 02:15:00 -
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Squagga wrote:Well the reason why I started this thread, is because my main char, that I started in closed beta. With almost completely maxed skills in purely Caldari, can't seem to last longer than one gun fight, sometimes if that, where I used to be able to hold my own quite well. I went on one of my alts last night with less than a million sp, it's purely MIN, and I seem to do quite well. Shields need to be fixed. They've been in a decline for a long time and it's getting rediculous.
Agreed. Caldari are the only serious shield tankers, minmatar is "hybrid" so they still have some juice in em after a couple ScR rounds.
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sir RAVEN WING
Corrosive Synergy
Rise Of Legion.
3310
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Posted - 2015.04.07 05:13:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Squagga wrote:Sgt Kirk wrote:Squagga wrote:I appreciate your input. However. I never had to fight from far away before. Now they're forcing me to do so? I've been Caldari since the beginning of this game, now they're defining my playstyle, that I've had for years? God forbid we have to change the way we play as this game progresses right guys? I've been here since Mordu and I know you've been here for a long time too. Adapting is something we all have to do That's exactly why Aldin only uses Tanks and Forges now and why a lot of veterans don't give the same amount of fear like they used to in the old days. I'll admit that it sounded rediculous, when I said that. Of course we have to change and adapt. However the Cal suits have come close to unusable, and I want that changed. I do respect your opinion and just want a fair game, just like you've fought for your race And yet you have everything content wise and a bag of chips and are still moaning because you do not wish to play your role on the field? I mean I'll admit Caldari content needs more durability to truly represent them as a faction but beyond that you guys are golden......in a proverbial sense.
Racial Parity does need looking at. Much more than what Rattati is doing for it.
I want a golden LAV that isn't a reskin.
Anyway, that's a subject for another thread.
"Vengeance. Vengeance is the name of the monster that consumed me so long ago." - Sir Raven Wing
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Gaius Calinus
Incarnation Soldiers
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Posted - 2015.04.07 06:15:00 -
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Quote: Mortishai Belmont
Perhaps you should try a different approach? Caldari are far superior when it comes to ranged combat, if you set your shields right and your regen/regulators, then you can smite from 60+ meters with the RR. Pop back when you get shot, 3 seconds later your good, Galente's don't stand a chance against that.
Even up close, it's like the bolt pistol. If your aim and control/timing is good, you'll mess 'em up real quick. It may be hardmode, but I find it pays off a lot if you get good at it, it has more potential then some other suits and races ;)
You obviously haven't shot a single fire with the RR yet, dude! 
60+ m?? HOLY S***, you really don't know what you're talking about...
Even when ADS, each RR above the STD has a kick that you'd think you've mounted in the new Myo.Fibs...
Ever wondered why you hardly see a KKRR on the field? Almost unsusable, the kick rises in line with the Meta lvl...
You have to improve the Kaalakiota to become lethal before the 10th shot which won't hit the target, you know ^^ kick....
This takes mods, result -> lower sHP...
The only really fine RR is the SB39, but it's weak without mods and those cost you again, sHP...
Beyond that, there are only the ARR but it takes some skill to use them at long range and you can really forget each one at your "60+m". And what exactly does that mean, hmmm??? Cover? No... Distance? Be serious and fair... No, it means more sHP necessary...
The shields need a buff to survive somehow until your shield regen starts! The whole regen-s*** and all that passive stuff is not relevant as long as you're dead after the third shot!
It is that simple! 
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Hail to the Caldari State !!!
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7th Son 7
BLITZKRIEG7
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Posted - 2015.04.07 06:23:00 -
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Imp Smash wrote:My 2 isk.
Shield extenders shouldn't have a delay penalty. sHP is fine. Shield reppers (transporters) should be in game in both reptool and nanohive form. Map sockets should have a higher percentage of open hack objectives.
^ Nice +1
Always mystify, mislead and surprise the enemy if possible........--- Stonewall Jackson
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Boot Booter
Titans of Phoenix
1256
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Posted - 2015.04.07 07:29:00 -
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I just specced into the cal assault and I think it's a really good suit. However, if I happen to come across a scr amarr I might as well just cook a core in my hand and spawn somewhere else. Here's the thing, you have to look at how buffs and nerfs have progressed, not just select one part of the story.
Armor is better than shields, not necessarily because it is better 1v1 or in every scenario, but because most objectives are CQC fights, the rep tool, rep hives, ferroscale, and the scr. So what does this equal all combined?? It means more people go to armor. Well that's fine but that also means that less people use shield weapons. Now the issue with that is it makes shield weapons appear to be both UP and underutilized. So Rattati looked at this data and said "Hmm we need to buff shield weapons" which tada made them more usable in the current armor meta, however even more deadly to shield suits.
So what's the root of the problem, no, not the weapons... The ******* suits. That's why I've made threads about balancing the armor vs shields before making these meaningless tweaks to rifles. Sure rifle balance is far better than it was but now we are to the point where we have just accepted the current armor meta and started buffing shield weapons to be better against armor. 
If shield weapons are underutilized the possible reasons are both the weapon may be UP or shield suits may be UP. I hope I've made this point clear. So let's fix the root of the problem.
Add a shield rep
Give ferroscales a penalty
Change the damage profile of the scr
Increase ttk
Add a damage threshold for shields
Any one of these things would go a long way to fixing the problem. Then we could once again tweak weapons. The whole process has to be a two part balancing act. I know Rattati must understand this but he keeps taking half measures on the shield buffs and full measures on the shield weapon buffs.
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Project Carnifax
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Posted - 2015.04.07 12:02:00 -
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7th Son 7 wrote:Imp Smash wrote:My 2 isk.
Shield extenders shouldn't have a delay penalty. sHP is fine. Shield reppers (transporters) should be in game in both reptool and nanohive form. Map sockets should have a higher percentage of open hack objectives. ^ Nice +1
Why do people +1? That's why there's a like button...
Just saying...
Anonymous alt of an anonymous player ;)
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Mejt0
Dead Man's Game
RUST415
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Posted - 2015.04.07 13:11:00 -
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We Caldari have tons and tons of ISK, women and power. One word and there will be 3 titans next to your homeland.
So watchout.. or better not. I'm talking to you gal.
Caldari Loyalist
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Shamarskii Simon
The Hundred Acre Hood
Rise Of Legion.
276
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Posted - 2015.04.07 14:38:00 -
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As for damage thresholds, how do people look at it? Would it be a percentage of your recharge? Is it a fixed number?
Also, would a reduction in recharge delay be appropriate? An example would be a 0.5 reduction to delays, or a small buff to extenders by 12 sHP. A basic extend : 33 -> 45, enhanced: 50 -> 62, comp 66 -> 78. i believe this is a very simple fix, as it's just a number change that doesn't need any coding (easy for ratt).
Or a slight fitting reduction (PG) why do damage mods take less fitting than extends?
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TIGER SHARK1501
Savage Bullet
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2015.04.07 17:03:00 -
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Luk Manag
of Terror
TRE GAFFEL
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Posted - 2015.04.07 17:19:00 -
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I don't even bother taking my anti-shield weapon proficiency to V. They all pretty much one-shot shields, so why would I need 3% more vs shields?
There will be bullets. ACR+SMG [CEO of Terror]
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Squagga
The State Protectorate
454
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Posted - 2015.04.07 20:28:00 -
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TIGER SHARK1501 wrote:Damn it feels good to be Gallente
Yeah. Exactly. The Gallente cried and you hooked them up. Wtf CCP? Stop trying to keep the Caldari man down
Reloading, the silent killer.
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2015.04.07 20:38:00 -
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Squagga wrote:TIGER SHARK1501 wrote:Damn it feels good to be Gallente Yeah. Exactly. The Gallente cried and you hooked them up. Wtf CCP? Stop trying to keep the Caldari man down
"Oi! You stop keeping us down!" He screams from the top of his mountain of content that dwarfs that of the Minmatar and Amarr put together.
GÇ£That is not dead which can eternal lie,
And with strange aeons even death may die.GÇ¥
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sir RAVEN WING
Corrosive Synergy
Rise Of Legion.
3319
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Posted - 2015.04.07 20:41:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Squagga wrote:TIGER SHARK1501 wrote:Damn it feels good to be Gallente Yeah. Exactly. The Gallente cried and you hooked them up. Wtf CCP? Stop trying to keep the Caldari man down "Oi! You stop keeping us down!" He screams from the top of his mountain of content that dwarfs that of the Minmatar and Amarr put together.
True, this is not about the Racial Parity, but rather the Caldari problems.
If this were for Racial Parity I would agree that the Caldari have an unfair amount, but as it is we are not discussing that. Make your own thread if you wish to discuss that.
"Vengeance. Vengeance is the name of the monster that consumed me so long ago." - Sir Raven Wing
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Alena Ventrallis
Ahrendee Inc.
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.04.07 20:44:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Squagga wrote:TIGER SHARK1501 wrote:Damn it feels good to be Gallente Yeah. Exactly. The Gallente cried and you hooked them up. Wtf CCP? Stop trying to keep the Caldari man down "Oi! You stop keeping us down!" He screams from the top of his mountain of content that dwarfs that of the Minmatar and Amarr put together.
Content has next-to-nothing to do with balance. The complaint is that shield battle-doctrine is in almost all ways inferior to armor battle-doctrine. We could release 25 new assets for only Caldari and it wouldn't make their suits last one second longer in the current meta.
Whirly gun make much thunder! - Victor
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2015.04.07 20:48:00 -
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Alena Ventrallis wrote:True Adamance wrote:Squagga wrote:TIGER SHARK1501 wrote:Damn it feels good to be Gallente Yeah. Exactly. The Gallente cried and you hooked them up. Wtf CCP? Stop trying to keep the Caldari man down "Oi! You stop keeping us down!" He screams from the top of his mountain of content that dwarfs that of the Minmatar and Amarr put together. Content has next-to-nothing to do with balance. The complaint is that shield battle-doctrine is in almost all ways inferior to armor battle-doctrine. We could release 25 new assets for only Caldari and it wouldn't make their suits last one second longer in the current meta.
That's because sadly everyone is inferior to the Amarr. This however does not change the fact you are all bitching from the mountain top after being spoilt to death by CCP.
GÇ£That is not dead which can eternal lie,
And with strange aeons even death may die.GÇ¥
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Krixus Flux
Kang Lo Directorate
Gallente Federation
579
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Posted - 2015.04.07 20:59:00 -
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Ha! You fell for True's self glorification trap!
Saying what's on people's minds
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2015.04.07 20:59:00 -
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Krixus Flux wrote:Ha! You fell for True's self glorification trap!
Trap was 100% effective!
GÇ£That is not dead which can eternal lie,
And with strange aeons even death may die.GÇ¥
-The Nameless City
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Alena Ventrallis
Ahrendee Inc.
Negative-Feedback
2968
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Posted - 2015.04.07 21:06:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:
That's because sadly everyone is inferior to the Amarr. This however does not change the fact you are all bitching from the mountain top after being spoilt to death by CCP.
I cannot argue with this.
Whirly gun make much thunder! - Victor
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VAHZZ
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Posted - 2015.04.07 21:09:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Alena Ventrallis wrote:True Adamance wrote:Squagga wrote:TIGER SHARK1501 wrote:Damn it feels good to be Gallente Yeah. Exactly. The Gallente cried and you hooked them up. Wtf CCP? Stop trying to keep the Caldari man down "Oi! You stop keeping us down!" He screams from the top of his mountain of content that dwarfs that of the Minmatar and Amarr put together. Content has next-to-nothing to do with balance. The complaint is that shield battle-doctrine is in almost all ways inferior to armor battle-doctrine. We could release 25 new assets for only Caldari and it wouldn't make their suits last one second longer in the current meta. That's because sadly everyone is inferior to the Amarr. This however does not change the fact you are all bitching from the mountain top after being spoilt to death by CCP.
One word bruh.
Jove.
BRUH.
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