DUST Search - Yikes! It sucks to be Caldari!

Mortishai Belmont wrote:

sir RAVEN WING wrote:

Mortishai Belmont wrote:

Dude, I wreck s**t with my Cal assault, what are you talking about? o.o

I do the same. Although it takes skill compared to the others.

The worst Assault in my opinion is the Caldari
The worst Logi is Caldari
The worst sent is Caldari
Our scout is actually half decent.
Our Commando is forced into sniping, which really pisses me off.

One theory is that favours the Gallente, this is often fought with the claim he is Caldari on the forums. (Gallente in game)
Another is that there are a large amount of armour tankers wishing to keep armour dominant.

I won't share my opinions on those, just state they exist.
As said before Shields are hardmode, period.

Perhaps you should try a different approach? Caldari are far superior when it comes to ranged combat, if you set your shields right and your regen/regulators, then you can smite from 60+ meters with the RR. Pop back when you get shot, 3 seconds later your good, Galente's don't stand a chance against that.

Even up close, it's like the bolt pistol. If your aim and control/timing is good, you'll mess 'em up real quick. It may be hardmode, but I find it pays off a lot if you get good at it, it has more potential then some other suits and races ;)

"Vengeance. Vengeance is the name of the monster that consumed me so long ago." - Sir Raven Wing

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Russel Mendoza 7th air cav 27	Posted - 2015.04.04 00:49:00 - [31] - Quote i dont know what your getting at, shields has always been ******, it always has it always will be. i use caldari commando, its easily killed, but i tank on comlex shield extenders, i survive most often than not. you see your shield go down then seek cover, thats how i survive. and you cant win when youre outnumberef, i never did.
DozersMouse XIII Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1020	Posted - 2015.04.04 01:37:00 - [32] - Quote I ran a cal assault for the first time ever after 3 years and went 24 and 2 so I don't see a problem besides people not setting them up right. I used 3 comp extenders, 1 comp energizer, 1 comp regenerizer, 3 comp regulators, ascr & smg. I get 76 shield reps a sec with a 2 sec depleted regen and a 1 sec regular regen Shotgun me once, shame on me Shotgun me twice, scans on you
Squagga The State Protectorate 435	Posted - 2015.04.04 01:49:00 - [33] - Quote I've always run Caldari and these ideas of hiding and constantly running for cover are rediculous. I've never had a problem handling more than two or three opponents at one time. I promise you. The game has changed, and not in a good way. This game is continually getting worse. Rattatti, if your hearing this, make these kinds of changes, that will return the game to the glory that it once was. Also skirm 1.0. Just sayin Reloading, the silent killer.
Doc DDD TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 425	Posted - 2015.04.04 03:35:00 - [34] - Quote Rattati is an armor player, thus all the shield nerfs and claims of ' shield and armor balance '. Armor suits can do everything shield suits can do but better. shields- hiding, Kiting armor - hiding, Kiting, CQC, damage mods, triage hive benefit, repair tools benefit, WP goldmine for logis, vocal community on forums. more likely to see more armor buffs before shield buffs, just look at the state of gunlogis vs madrugars.
The Dark Cloud Negative-Feedback. 4292	Posted - 2015.04.04 03:56:00 - [35] - Quote Doc DDD wrote: Rattati is an armor player, thus all the shield nerfs and claims of ' shield and armor balance '. Armor suits can do everything shield suits can do but better. shields- hiding, Kiting armor - hiding, Kiting, CQC, damage mods, triage hive benefit, repair tools benefit, WP goldmine for logis, vocal community on forums. more likely to see more armor buffs before shield buffs, just look at the state of gunlogis vs madrugars. Yup that sums it up pretty much. I think aswell that Ratatti only adresses things in the game that annoys him on a personal lvl. Just look at my effort of trying to get some shield balance into the game here: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=196730 No CPM and nor dev didnt even bothered to take look at it. Just boggles my mind. I make the scrubs scream and the vets cry.
LUGMOS Corrosive Synergy Rise Of Legion. 3229	Posted - 2015.04.04 05:49:00 - [36] - Quote I just love it when my 50 shields per second is halted by .5 damage coming from an SMG 70 meters away -_- Plasma Cannon :3 Anti-FoTM Prof. V Forum Scavenger Prof. V
Mortishai Belmont G.L.O.R.Y General Tso's Alliance 696	Posted - 2015.04.04 06:09:00 - [37] - Quote Dude, I wreck s**t with my Cal assault, what are you talking about? o.o The new C.EO. of G.L.O.R.Y, (~..)~ Now on Youtube ~(..~)
sir RAVEN WING Corrosive Synergy Rise Of Legion. 3274	Posted - 2015.04.04 08:10:00 - [38] - Quote Mortishai Belmont wrote: Dude, I wreck st with my Cal assault, what are you talking about? o.o I do the same. Although it takes skill compared to the others. The worst Assault in my opinion is the Caldari The worst Logi is Caldari The worst sent is Caldari Our scout is actually half decent. Our Commando is forced into sniping, which really pisses me off. One theory is that favours the Gallente, this is often fought with the claim he is Caldari on the forums. (Gallente in game) Another is that there are a large amount of armour tankers wishing to keep armour dominant. I won't share my opinions on those, just state they exist. As said before Shields are hardmode, period. Where did I leave my warbarge again?**
ROTFL Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 11	Posted - 2015.04.04 16:08:00 - [39] - Quote People actually use shield modules? There are far better options for the high slots.....
sir RAVEN WING Corrosive Synergy Rise Of Legion. 3280	Posted - 2015.04.04 18:48:00 - [40] - Quote ROTFL wrote: People actually use shield modules? There are far better options for the high slots..... We have to use them to even dream of surviving. Also we have to put some in our lows too. *Where did I leave my warbarge again?*

Gaius Calinus Incarnation Soldiers 24	Posted - 2015.04.04 18:53:00 - [41] - Quote Squagga wrote: Every time I come back, shields seem to less and less effective. What the kitten CCP? For Caldari this is how we survive. It seems every kind of weapon tears down my shields nowadays. Is anybody else seeing this matter the same? Obviously Quote: I don't know where you guys are coming up with this regen thing. It doesn't matter how much regen you have, if you have less than five seconds behind cover. Which is usually the case. TTK is so much shorter than it used to be, and the fighting style is a lot more like CoD or other popular shooters. This is what made DUST so great. It was about gun game. Now it's a lot more about who starts shooting first Exactly Quote: The worst Assault in my opinion is the Caldari The worst Logi is Caldari The worst sent is Caldari Our scout is actually half decent. Our Commando is forced into sniping, which really pisses me off. One theory is that favours the Gallente, this is often fought with the claim he is Caldari on the forums. (Gallente in game) Another is that there are a large amount of armour tankers wishing to keep armour dominant. I won't share my opinions on those, just state they exist. As said before Shields are hardmode, period. Quote: Rattati is an armor player, thus all the shield nerfs and claims of ' shield and armor balance I can't believe it, I must be dreaming somehow At least a few have finally understood the problem... I don't think this will change s* but it has been put a finger on at least... But add to this post that Caldari weapons are the only ones having a kick even when ADS, that a single Flux basically kills us and you have our actual status It's f* hard to be Caldari, as sir Raven said, HARDMODE Hail Caldari !! Hail to the Caldari State !!!**
Squagga The State Protectorate 443	Posted - 2015.04.04 19:48:00 - [42] - Quote Well I don't mind a challenge. But this has been rediculous, lately. It has got to get fixed! Screw the regen "problems" or "solutions" just buff the damn shields CCP! Reloading, the silent killer.
Tiny Pineapple Corrosive Synergy Rise Of Legion. 128	Posted - 2015.04.05 01:10:00 - [43] - Quote Mortishai Belmont wrote: Dude, I wreck s**t with my Cal assault, what are you talking about? o.o Anecdotal evidence doesn't prove anything. Expert BF3 helicopter pilot
Shamarskii Simon The Hundred Acre Hood Rise Of Legion. 258	Posted - 2015.04.05 03:10:00 - [44] - Quote DozersMouse XIII wrote: I ran a cal assault for the first time ever after 3 years and went 24 and 2 so I don't see a problem besides people not setting them up right. I used 3 comp extenders, 1 comp energizer, 1 comp recharger, 3 comp regulators, ascr & smg. I get 76 shield reps a sec with a 2 sec depleted regen and a 1 sec regular regen Problem is to properly cal tank, you are forced into a small selection of fits. Next is, to build a viable shield suit... You need near max skills. Telling you, there's an easy fix. . Just buff mods by 12 sHP, lower recharge delays by 0.5/0.4 Or let sHP have lower fitting costs... Still, it's rare to encounter a properly fit cal tank... (pro) 70+ sHP/s @ 1.6 delay. Or 707 sHP @ 1.6 delay. But it's basically a special fit, which is why it feels weird... Switch from the formula and you've gimped your fit. Entering the void and becoming wind. Message for 1v1 air to air
Squagga The State Protectorate 443	Posted - 2015.04.05 06:09:00 - [45] - Quote Even with completely maxed skillbooks. I have 40 mil, yes I know other people have more. But I have maxed out all my sb pertaining to this. It's still not enough. Yes, sHP need a buff. Recharge delay decrease? I wasn't going to be greedy, but if the rest of the Cals think we need it, I'm interested. TTK needs to be increased. Our people have suffered long enough! Reloading, the silent killer.
Squagga The State Protectorate 445	Posted - 2015.04.05 20:47:00 - [46] - Quote sir RAVEN WING wrote: ROTFL wrote: People actually use shield modules? There are far better options for the high slots..... We have to use them to even dream of surviving. Also we have to put some in our lows too. Hey, man. I take pride in working for my kills. However it seems to me, that since chrome, they've been trying to make us unlethal, and I'm getting tired of it Reloading, the silent killer.
Mortishai Belmont G.L.O.R.Y General Tso's Alliance 702	Posted - 2015.04.05 20:52:00 - [47] - Quote sir RAVEN WING wrote: Mortishai Belmont wrote: Dude, I wreck s**t with my Cal assault, what are you talking about? o.o I do the same. Although it takes skill compared to the others. The worst Assault in my opinion is the Caldari The worst Logi is Caldari The worst sent is Caldari Our scout is actually half decent. Our Commando is forced into sniping, which really pisses me off. One theory is that favours the Gallente, this is often fought with the claim he is Caldari on the forums. (Gallente in game) Another is that there are a large amount of armour tankers wishing to keep armour dominant. I won't share my opinions on those, just state they exist. As said before Shields are hardmode, period. Perhaps you should try a different approach? Caldari are far superior when it comes to ranged combat, if you set your shields right and your regen/regulators, then you can smite from 60+ meters with the RR. Pop back when you get shot, 3 seconds later your good, Galente's don't stand a chance against that. Even up close, it's like the bolt pistol. If your aim and control/timing is good, you'll mess 'em up real quick. It may be hardmode, but I find it pays off a lot if you get good at it, it has more potential then some other suits and races ;) The new C.EO. of G.L.O.R.Y, (~..)~ Now on Youtube ~(..~)
Squagga The State Protectorate 445	Posted - 2015.04.05 23:01:00 - [48] - Quote I appreciate your input. However. I never had to fight from far away before. Now they're forcing me to do so? I've been Caldari since the beginning of this game, now they're defining my playstyle, that I've had for years? Reloading, the silent killer.
P14GU3 UNIVERSAL C.A.R.N.A.G.E 1425	Posted - 2015.04.05 23:17:00 - [49] - Quote Squagga wrote: I appreciate your input. However. I never had to fight from far away before. Now they're forcing me to do so? I've been Caldari since the beginning of this game, now they're defining my playstyle, that I've had for years? Sorry to say, but we have all had to adjust our playstyles over the years. Armor tankers too. I cannot run plates on my logi anymore. The speed reduction is just too much. Caldari and minmatar super strafe like crazy, causing hit detection issues at close range. Rail rifles destroy me at longer ranges because I have too little tank to survive, and too little speed to get to cover. My alt is 100% caldari, and I love it. The sentinal is a great forgegunning suit. The commando destroys at basically any range but point blank. The assault has amazing regen compared to my armor suits (plus it can fly.) The scouts is meh, i love being able to see, but it doesnt have the damps to compete with the gk.0. TL:DR. Adjust. dust is no longer the tactical/strafe shooter we all loved in chrome. It never will be again. Rattati is fine with the TTK, and apparently has done lots of research to find the perfect TTK for the game. The issue you have is not with shields, but TTK. 'Sault AK.0 - Logi AK.0 - Logi GK.0 - Scout GK.0 - 'Mando MK.0 - Masshole in every sense of the word.
Forced Death Corrosive Synergy Rise Of Legion. 361	Posted - 2015.04.05 23:21:00 - [50] - Quote Squagga wrote: Well the reason why I started this thread, is because my main char, that I started in closed beta. With almost completely maxed skills in purely Caldari, can't seem to last longer than one gun fight, sometimes if that, where I used to be able to hold my own quite well. I went on one of my alts last night with less than a million sp, it's purely MIN, and I seem to do quite well. Shields need to be fixed. They've been in a decline for a long time and it's getting rediculous. Minmatar Assault? Pretty good, balanced slot layout for either tanking prefrence and extra, suck as speed, damage, etc. Minmatar Heavy? Eh, is fast but that's all Minmatar Logistics? Often referred to as the best, and has repair tools for lots of WP Minmatar Scout? Recently has rose in popularity, and knives are appealing and cheap Minmatar Commando? Can pack a punch with Swarms against vehicles, has MD for area denial, and a CR to blow away Death by laser is imminent

Cat Merc Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 15822	Posted - 2015.04.06 00:03:00 - [51] - Quote Bahirae Serugiusu wrote: Can't forget that anti-shield weapons are better at killing armor tanked sentinels then the rail rifle False. Arkena showed the math a while ago, the RR still does a healthy chunk more DPS against armor than a Duvolle does. Cat Merc for C¦¦P¦¦M¦¦9¦¦ CPM Nyan! *Vote 'Keshava' for the new Gallente vehicle name!*
Cat Merc Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 15822	Posted - 2015.04.06 00:08:00 - [52] - Quote People in these discussions never bring math to the table. When they do, they get absolutely shut down because it involves broken logic. Do as I and Arkena Wyrnspire did back when armor was absolute dog shit and make a megathread with math explaining what the problems are with shields. Give fits, give examples, give everything you have. You guys can keep cricle jerking all you want, it won't help your cause. Cat Merc for C¦¦P¦¦M¦¦9¦¦ CPM Nyan! *Vote 'Keshava' for the new Gallente vehicle name!*
sir RAVEN WING Horizons' Edge 3299	Posted - 2015.04.06 00:21:00 - [53] - Quote Mortishai Belmont wrote: sir RAVEN WING wrote: Mortishai Belmont wrote: Dude, I wreck st with my Cal assault, what are you talking about? o.o I do the same. Although it takes skill compared to the others. The worst Assault in my opinion is the Caldari The worst Logi is Caldari The worst sent is Caldari Our scout is actually half decent. Our Commando is forced into sniping, which really pisses me off. One theory is that favours the Gallente, this is often fought with the claim he is Caldari on the forums. (Gallente in game) Another is that there are a large amount of armour tankers wishing to keep armour dominant. I won't share my opinions on those, just state they exist. As said before Shields are hardmode, period. Perhaps you should try a different approach? Caldari are far superior when it comes to ranged combat, if you set your shields right and your regen/regulators, then you can smite from 60+ meters with the RR. Pop back when you get shot, 3 seconds later your good, Galente's don't stand a chance against that. Even up close, it's like the bolt pistol. If your aim and control/timing is good, you'll mess 'em up real quick. It may be hardmode, but I find it pays off a lot if you get good at it, it has more potential then some other suits and races ;) Thanks for the tips, but I've used them all before. The game just doesn't support Caldari tech. Skirm and Dom force you in close and the map is very limited on Ambush. We were nerfed by the minor Fluxes, or our style was. I do however see the ADV RR as good. It, for some odd reason, has a lower charge time than the proto, but still decent damage. "Vengeance. Vengeance is the name of the monster that consumed me so long ago." - Sir Raven Wing**
Sir Dukey G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 1985	Posted - 2015.04.06 00:33:00 - [54] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: shields are for dodging, armor is for tanking damage... sad but true, you cant tank damage with shields. Shields are for dodging? Lol, that's not what my aim assist says. "Skill for thee but no skill for me" so is the saying of the swarm infantry.
Squagga The State Protectorate 447	Posted - 2015.04.06 04:12:00 - [55] - Quote I will definitely admit that both TTK is a major issue, a big part of the game that we loved and made this game great, has now turned this into CoD514. I agree that math and statistics are better ways to describe our problems, and how it should be fixed. Reloading, the silent killer.
General12912 Gallente Marine Corps 235	Posted - 2015.04.06 04:23:00 - [56] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: shields are for dodging, armor is for tanking damage... sad but true, you cant tank damage with shields. Haha! How's that corporate dictatorship working out for ya? :P On the contrary, shields are better for tanking damage vs the weapons its resistant against. Whenever faced with an HMG, SMG, CR, or explosive, or even though not as much, a rail-weapon, I find my shields are what keep me alive. It all depends on the weapon's effective range and damage profile. But yes, what you mention is the general idea. Gallente-Fu Grand Master Gallente Federation Patriot
sir RAVEN WING Horizons' Edge 3303	Posted - 2015.04.06 05:35:00 - [57] - Quote General12912 wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: shields are for dodging, armor is for tanking damage... sad but true, you cant tank damage with shields. Haha! How's that corporate dictatorship working out for ya? :P Just fine, how is your false freedom? *"Vengeance. Vengeance is the name of the monster that consumed me so long ago." - Sir Raven Wing*
Krixus Flux Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 571	Posted - 2015.04.06 10:44:00 - [58] - Quote Forget math... Its simple dude. Toilet (Caldari) meet urine (every other race) Saying what's on people's minds
Squagga The State Protectorate 449	Posted - 2015.04.06 16:11:00 - [59] - Quote Krixus Flux wrote: Forget math... Its simple dude. Toilet (Caldari) meet urine (every other race) This is exactly what I'm talking about Reloading, the silent killer.
zzZaXxx Capital Acquisitions LLC 746	Posted - 2015.04.06 16:35:00 - [60] - Quote Once again....SCR and LR damage profile needs to change to +15%/-15% against shields. Shields work well against rail, great against projectile, ok against plasma (unless you're too close), but SCR and now ASCR just melt you instantly. IMBA Armor gets the business from projectile, but at least they have to get relatively close to you. SCR own shields from afar before you can do anything. So you basically just have to hope you don't run into too many SCR.



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Where did I leave my warbarge again?

Where did I leave my warbarge again?

"Skill for thee but no skill for me" so is the saying of the swarm infantry.