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maluble
Art.of.Death
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Posted - 2015.03.27 16:47:00 -
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Ccp literally shot themselves in the foot from the get go by not introducing meta locks or something similar. All my friends played for 3-4 days tops and gave up do to unbalanced matches. Majority of people game for fun/relieve stress, yet as a new player this is not the case. People have been posting about it for years and nothing has been done yet they wonder why the game never reallt took off. If this mentality carries over to legion it will fail, the pc community is diffrent than console they wont throw nearly as much $ at a broken game when they can go to steam store and get 5 good games for less that $100. Fire evert person that had anything to do with dust and hire people who take pride in their work.
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Summa Militum
TotalAscendancy
348
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Posted - 2015.03.27 17:02:00 -
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maluble wrote:Ccp literally shot themselves in the foot from the get go by not introducing meta locks or something similar. All my friends played for 3-4 days tops and gave up do to unbalanced matches. Majority of people game for fun/relieve stress, yet as a new player this is not the case. People have been posting about it for years and nothing has been done yet they wonder why the game never reallt took off. If this mentality carries over to legion it will fail, the pc community is diffrent than console they wont throw nearly as much $ at a broken game when they can go to steam store and get 5 good games for less that $100. Fire evert person that had anything to do with dust and hire people who take pride in their work.
I don't know if they should fire everyone. I have the feeling there are higher-up people at CCP who are ultimately limiting this games success because they are too stupid to know better. CCP should probably consider clearing house on some of the upper management and use that extra money to hire on more developers. |
Jonny D Buelle
Mors Effera
714
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Posted - 2015.03.27 17:02:00 -
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maluble wrote: Fire evert person that had anything to do with dust and hire people who take pride in their work.
No. Just no. Beleive it or not CCP has been improving the game. However you need to understand that after the Rogue Wedding, the staff for Dust 514 has been cut down to a skeleton crew.
Sure matchmaking is sh!t I'll give you that one but don't scream for all their heads to roll just yet.
I find your lack of heaviness... disturbing...
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Krixus Flux
Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation
551
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Posted - 2015.03.27 17:06:00 -
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No, last year's FF pretty much ejected most of the player base. Matchmaking isn't the problem bro. You can't have 6 apples in a basket and complain it has no variety bro.
Saying what's on people's minds
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maluble
Art.of.Death
227
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Posted - 2015.03.27 18:16:00 -
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Krixus Flux wrote:No, last year's FF pretty much ejected most of the player base. Matchmaking isn't the problem bro. You can't have 6 apples in a basket and complain it has no variety bro.
my whole point is those '6 apples' could have been 25,000+ if they would have balanced the game 2 1/2 years ago, and spent more money on advertising. Most people never even heard of dust unless they played eve. |
Joel II X
Bacon with a bottle of Quafe
6833
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Posted - 2015.03.27 18:24:00 -
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You can get 5 or more good games with $5 in steam lol |
Regis Blackbird
DUST University Ivy League
679
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Posted - 2015.03.27 18:39:00 -
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maluble wrote: Fire evert person that had anything to do with dust and hire people who take pride in their work.
They basically already did... And CCP Rattati was the result. (Thank god)
And BTW, don't say they haven't tried to fix matchmaking. If you don't remember Uprising 1.4, you either weren't here or have developed severe memory loss. The recent TeamBuilder was also introduced, and they are looking at the core Matchmaker logic again in Warlords 1.1 or 1.2.
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Nothing Certain
Bioshock Rejects
1596
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Posted - 2015.03.27 18:55:00 -
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Matchmaking is crap but it is a difficult problem to solve. I have seen no PvP game do it well. Having squads makes it next to impossible. You can balance six good players playing together very few times when matched up against random players. The odds of their being six equally good players on the other side is too small.
Because, that's why.
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Soldner VonKuechle
SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance
1837
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Posted - 2015.03.27 19:04:00 -
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maluble wrote: my crew and i weren't god -mode in 4 days, nor did we understand this fake universe is built on disadvantages, treachery in a cold dark unhelpful way, and since i didn't want to put in effort or unlearn my twitch skills this non matchmaking system that allows the weak to be preyed shuts out any weak lazy player that can't handle being defeated or adapting.
Ratatti is building an actual matchmaking system, as stated in the fanfest round table.
Come back then or just please shut up, we know.
Time for a platform jump. Dust to WiiU!
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Mad Syringe
ReDust Inc.
660
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Posted - 2015.03.27 19:07:00 -
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The problem is that CCP in it's core has a severe HTFU and we like to drink your tears attitude...
This has worked with EVE, because they had a monopoly, but Dust has shitloads of competition, since there is more than one fps in the gameworld.
If CCP doesn't change corporate attitude by a big margin, they won't get anything but niche games.
I highly doubt, that people like hilmar get, that gamers do not have fun beeing stomped into oblivions for several month before the games even start to get slightly better. And even the vets don't get good games, they either stomp, or get stomped, and maybe one in ten games is halfway decent.
I just played 6 losses in a row, and quite frankly, I have enough for today, no need to waste more time for this letdown of a game... |
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Green Means Go
Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire
45
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Posted - 2015.03.27 19:09:00 -
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The game was sabotaged by a disgruntled employee! I read his reply a year or so ago on some job website for CCP. He was not happy how he was treated/fired.... Slave laborer? I contacted him and he gave me the master cheat codes for dust<-------Joking!
In all honesty, the PLAYERS ruined dust! Blame the cheaters, exploiters, lag switchers, afk'ers, farmers and just plain rude gamers. Blame the guys who leave the match who are to SCARED to fight a worthy opponent. One merc can make a difference!
I had one of the most EPIC battles of all time's a couple days ago (dom)..... It was a true bloodbath! We were losing by a landslide. Enemy had 3/4 shields left, we had 1/2 armour left on MCC. Three friendly heavies and myself were able to retake the objective and turn a losing battle into a win. By the end of match, each side had less then 10 clones. These are the kinds of battles I play dust for! It is like a drug you could never buy.
Most players had high hopes for dust. We were promised things that never materialized. CCP showed of abstract art of things to come... Got our hopes up and then smashed them in 2014. Fanfest 2014, a day no dust merc will forget!
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Titus Stryker
Ancient Exiles.
469
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Posted - 2015.03.27 19:10:00 -
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maluble wrote:Ccp literally shot themselves in the foot from the get go by not introducing meta locks or something similar. All my friends played for 3-4 days tops and gave up do to unbalanced matches. Majority of people game for fun/relieve stress, yet as a new player this is not the case. People have been posting about it for years and nothing has been done yet they wonder why the game never reallt took off. If this mentality carries over to legion it will fail, the pc community is diffrent than console they wont throw nearly as much $ at a broken game when they can go to steam store and get 5 good games for less that $100. Fire evert person that had anything to do with dust and hire people who take pride in their work.
I think the lack of maps and sockets is what hurt it, that and new players not being allow to accrue SP at a faster rate.
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Darken-Sol
BIG BAD W0LVES
1890
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Posted - 2015.03.27 20:18:00 -
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Everyone I know stopped caring about the game when legion was announced. We just trying to get a return on our investment.
Crush them
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Krixus Flux
Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation
554
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Posted - 2015.03.28 03:08:00 -
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maluble wrote:Krixus Flux wrote:No, last year's FF pretty much ejected most of the player base. Matchmaking isn't the problem bro. You can't have 6 apples in a basket and complain it has no variety bro. my whole point is those '6 apples' could have been 25,000+ if they would have balanced the game 2 1/2 years ago, and spent more money on advertising. Most people never even heard of dust unless they played eve.
Dude I heard of Dust because I read gaming news website because I like to be informed. I never played EVE. Advertising isn't the cure all. Before Legion announcement, I had fought many enjoyable, versatile and competitive battle before Scotty and MU.
A game like Dust is the same as MAG and SOCOM in that highly competitive unforgiving MP shooter won't welcome the same numbers you fantasize that it should have. These type of games will always have a certain number playerbase.
Saying what's on people's minds
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Operative 1174 Uuali
Y.A.M.A.H
548
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Posted - 2015.03.28 04:55:00 -
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Mad Syringe wrote:The problem is that CCP in it's core has a severe HTFU and we like to drink your tears attitude...
This has worked with EVE, because they had a monopoly, but Dust has shitloads of competition, since there is more than one fps in the gameworld.
If CCP doesn't change corporate attitude by a big margin, they won't get anything but niche games.
I highly doubt, that people like hilmar get, that gamers do not have fun beeing stomped into oblivions for several month before the games even start to get slightly better. And even the vets don't get good games, they either stomp, or get stomped, and maybe one in ten games is halfway decent.
I just played 6 losses in a row, and quite frankly, I have enough for today, no need to waste more time for this letdown of a game...
I'm just going to throw this out there again.
http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/jun/05/world-of-darkness-the-inside-story-mmo-ccp-white-wolf
And this:
http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/a-letter-to-the-followers-of-eve/
Note the apology was not even actually written by Hilmar.
Death is a serious businessGǪ So is running a shoddy, half-baked game company.
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Vesta Opalus
T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K
565
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Posted - 2015.03.28 06:40:00 -
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maluble wrote:Ccp literally shot themselves in the foot from the get go by not introducing meta locks or something similar. All my friends played for 3-4 days tops and gave up do to unbalanced matches. Majority of people game for fun/relieve stress, yet as a new player this is not the case. People have been posting about it for years and nothing has been done yet they wonder why the game never reallt took off. If this mentality carries over to legion it will fail, the pc community is diffrent than console they wont throw nearly as much $ at a broken game when they can go to steam store and get 5 good games for less that $100. Fire evert person that had anything to do with dust and hire people who take pride in their work.
Cant be repeated enough. You put these new guys who dont have a clue what all this crap is with the skills and the dropsuits and you stick them into matches with people who have 40 million SP and run proto 24/7 and nobody is going to stick around. |
Gemini Cuspid
140
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Posted - 2015.03.28 08:37:00 -
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Krixus Flux wrote:maluble wrote:Krixus Flux wrote:No, last year's FF pretty much ejected most of the player base. Matchmaking isn't the problem bro. You can't have 6 apples in a basket and complain it has no variety bro. my whole point is those '6 apples' could have been 25,000+ if they would have balanced the game 2 1/2 years ago, and spent more money on advertising. Most people never even heard of dust unless they played eve. Dude I heard of Dust because I read gaming news website because I like to be informed. I never played EVE. Advertising isn't the cure all. Before Legion announcement, I had fought many enjoyable, versatile and competitive battle before Scotty and MU. A game like Dust is the same as MAG and SOCOM in that highly competitive unforgiving MP shooter won't welcome the same numbers you fantasize that it should have. These type of games will always have a certain number playerbase. Actually you really don't sound smart when you say it's like MAG or SOCOM; you have a cap somewhere and while you could redline an opponent there was an upper ceiling on how much they could really limit you. Here are the best examples:
- capped lvls vs. none in Dust thus why "protostomping exists"; you could pummel opponents or survive higher with better wpns, greater SP's and ISK
- less of a balanced system based on how long you were active (because you could never actually play a match for a year but if you logged in the passive SP and log-in bonus would still give you a head start on someone installing and playing today)
- more game modes because saying you have "Faction" and "Corporation" battles doesn't mean you get pub skirmish, faction skirmish and faction skirmish as they're all skirmish
- less wpn variety meant more controlled elements of the game leading to less issues of how games and equipment can unbalance the game
- MAG didn't have a huge advertising campaign, only SOCOM did and Dust had the websites covering them due to how CCP was tied to the project and they wanted to see how it would pan out
- limitless fits in Dust vs. limited builds in many of the other games and creating a fit for every map and situation does actually matter versus being forced to select a number of fits and not being certain which to take for whichever situation
Ppl loose interest in shooter games but that's the real problem with Dust, it never felt like they were out of Beta after a year and treated their fanbase like absolute sh*t. Many of those at zipper were forgiven to the extent that overall you payed a one-time fee and that was it really. Never any sense of "P2W", or "I put "X" amount of dollars into the game" or the "oh hey we're creating Legion and zero f--ks given if you disagree".
A game like Dust felt like it took too long to be polished with some feeling like they never saw their investment back and still "tweaking" fixes. It's not that it isn't a good game but they just simply mishandled Dust. even Destiny failing to live to its expectation still managed to find ways to keep ppl at least engaged in the game. Dust is just that bad ex you're not sure whether to get back together or simply hate forever. |
jade gamester
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
197
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Posted - 2015.03.28 11:12:00 -
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Player Base is the reason for matchmaking, also tier layout, if there's only 3 squads seaching for a battle, 1 team will have the advantaged it's impossible to change unless player Base grew
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Onesimus Tarsus
is-a-Corporation
3209
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Posted - 2015.03.28 11:26:00 -
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That's why matching by the short term end result of must player "cheats" (lethality) would have yielded the best results, and we could have gotten on to the corporate sellouts, backstabbing, and petty power-mongering that makes life fun and worthwhile.
KDR matchmaking fixes everything but the stupid purple Quafe stuff.
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback
23045
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Posted - 2015.03.28 11:27:00 -
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Jonny D Buelle wrote:maluble wrote: Fire evert person that had anything to do with dust and hire people who take pride in their work.
No. Just no. Beleive it or not CCP has been improving the game. However you need to understand that after the Rogue Wedding, the staff for Dust 514 has been cut down to a skeleton crew. Sure matchmaking is sh!t I'll give you that one but don't scream for all their heads to roll just yet.
It doesn't work if you call it the Rogue Wedding. It's Rouge.
Gallente Guide
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CCP Rattati
C C P C C P Alliance
19072
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Posted - 2015.03.28 14:01:00 -
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I do not disagree that the lack of a working matchmaker has been one of my biggest disappointments with DUST 514. However, we have been working on a very promising solution and all our internal testing seems to confirm that it works, and that it works well. We will probably deploy the code very soon, and then test it on the live server for an hour or two and monitor closely.
This is a real matchmaker, so with that, we will have veterans fighting veterans, and we kept the Teambuilder logic as it was already working admirably.
I don't deny it, this is "the thing" I wanted to get fixed the most since Open Beta.
"As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"
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Spaceman-Rob
Third Degree Burns.
762
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Posted - 2015.03.28 14:07:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:I do not disagree that the lack of a working matchmaker has been one of my biggest disappointments with DUST 514. However, we have been working on a very promising solution and all our internal testing seems to confirm that it works, and that it works well. We will probably deploy the code very soon, and then test it on the live server for an hour or two and monitor closely.
This is a real matchmaker, so with that, we will have veterans fighting veterans, and we kept the Teambuilder logic as it was already working admirably.
I don't deny it, this is "the thing" I wanted to get fixed the most since Open Beta.
OK so I'm a vet and I choose to wear standard gear in pubs, will I still have to go up against proto stompers? |
Teeee Bone
C0M8AT V3T3RANS
164
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Posted - 2015.03.28 14:07:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:I do not disagree that the lack of a working matchmaker has been one of my biggest disappointments with DUST 514. However, we have been working on a very promising solution and all our internal testing seems to confirm that it works, and that it works well. We will probably deploy the code very soon, and then test it on the live server for an hour or two and monitor closely.
This is a real matchmaker, so with that, we will have veterans fighting veterans, and we kept the Teambuilder logic as it was already working admirably.
I don't deny it, this is "the thing" I wanted to get fixed the most since Open Beta. You da man rattati. Now if it works port to ps4 and watch dust takeoff!!
I love the smell of orbital support in the morning!!!
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BAMM HAVOC
Carbon 7 Iron Oxide.
770
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Posted - 2015.03.28 14:11:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:I do not disagree that the lack of a working matchmaker has been one of my biggest disappointments with DUST 514. However, we have been working on a very promising solution and all our internal testing seems to confirm that it works, and that it works well. We will probably deploy the code very soon, and then test it on the live server for an hour or two and monitor closely.
This is a real matchmaker, so with that, we will have veterans fighting veterans, and we kept the Teambuilder logic as it was already working admirably.
I don't deny it, this is "the thing" I wanted to get fixed the most since Open Beta.
This is actual development, good job ..... More of this please!
Could you perhaps take a look at the map rotation. When you have some spare time ... after a beer maybe?
YOU TUBEZ
BLOGZ
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Everything Dies
Not Another Dust Corporation
1299
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Posted - 2015.03.28 14:11:00 -
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Spaceman-Rob wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:I do not disagree that the lack of a working matchmaker has been one of my biggest disappointments with DUST 514. However, we have been working on a very promising solution and all our internal testing seems to confirm that it works, and that it works well. We will probably deploy the code very soon, and then test it on the live server for an hour or two and monitor closely.
This is a real matchmaker, so with that, we will have veterans fighting veterans, and we kept the Teambuilder logic as it was already working admirably.
I don't deny it, this is "the thing" I wanted to get fixed the most since Open Beta. OK so I'm a vet and I choose to wear standard gear in pubs, will I still have to go up against proto stompers?
Exactly. My go-to suits are typically a standard assault, standard sentinel, or advanced assault that costs roughly 50k.
Mike Patton is the greatest singer in music. Proof
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Vrain Matari
Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic
2592
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Posted - 2015.03.28 14:15:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:I do not disagree that the lack of a working matchmaker has been one of my biggest disappointments with DUST 514. However, we have been working on a very promising solution and all our internal testing seems to confirm that it works, and that it works well. We will probably deploy the code very soon, and then test it on the live server for an hour or two and monitor closely.
This is a real matchmaker, so with that, we will have veterans fighting veterans, and we kept the Teambuilder logic as it was already working admirably.
I don't deny it, this is "the thing" I wanted to get fixed the most since Open Beta. Sweet. That near the top of the low-hanging fruit list.
PSN: RationalSpark
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CommanderBolt
KILL-EM-QUICK Rise Of Legion.
3279
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Posted - 2015.03.28 14:20:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:I do not disagree that the lack of a working matchmaker has been one of my biggest disappointments with DUST 514. However, we have been working on a very promising solution and all our internal testing seems to confirm that it works, and that it works well. We will probably deploy the code very soon, and then test it on the live server for an hour or two and monitor closely.
This is a real matchmaker, so with that, we will have veterans fighting veterans, and we kept the Teambuilder logic as it was already working admirably.
I don't deny it, this is "the thing" I wanted to get fixed the most since Open Beta.
Appreciate the work. I look forward to the results because honestly, the game is actually pretty well balanced at least 50% of the time these days.
As a solo player I have noticed soo many more close battles and that's what I like to see. Win or lose a good game is a good game.
Next thing on the agenda? - Ping and latency plzzzzz
Vitantur Nothus wrote: Why hide a solution under frothy pile of derpa?
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CCP Rattati
C C P C C P Alliance
19080
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Posted - 2015.03.28 14:22:00 -
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BAMM HAVOC wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:I do not disagree that the lack of a working matchmaker has been one of my biggest disappointments with DUST 514. However, we have been working on a very promising solution and all our internal testing seems to confirm that it works, and that it works well. We will probably deploy the code very soon, and then test it on the live server for an hour or two and monitor closely.
This is a real matchmaker, so with that, we will have veterans fighting veterans, and we kept the Teambuilder logic as it was already working admirably.
I don't deny it, this is "the thing" I wanted to get fixed the most since Open Beta. This is actual development, good job ..... More of this please! Could you perhaps take a look at the map rotation. When you have some spare time ... after a beer maybe?
we are knee deep in a polish and bugfixing phase which is why a hotfix isn't out yet. We want to address a few issues with map rotation plus fix Echo bugs.
"As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"
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Ghosts Chance
Intara Direct Action Caldari State
3136
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Posted - 2015.03.28 14:23:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:I do not disagree that the lack of a working matchmaker has been one of my biggest disappointments with DUST 514. However, we have been working on a very promising solution and all our internal testing seems to confirm that it works, and that it works well. We will probably deploy the code very soon, and then test it on the live server for an hour or two and monitor closely.
This is a real matchmaker, so with that, we will have veterans fighting veterans, and we kept the Teambuilder logic as it was already working admirably.
I don't deny it, this is "the thing" I wanted to get fixed the most since Open Beta. but does it take ping into account, because fighting vets with 1fps every game instead of 1 of 3 games is even worse
i dont want to fight spanish and japanesee corps EVERY game at 1 fps i will simply quit the game.
Minmatar is Winmatar
Creed of the Minja - "I'm a leaf on the wind"
I am Chances Ghost
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Union118
Heaven's Lost Property
497
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Posted - 2015.03.28 14:25:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:I do not disagree that the lack of a working matchmaker has been one of my biggest disappointments with DUST 514. However, we have been working on a very promising solution and all our internal testing seems to confirm that it works, and that it works well. We will probably deploy the code very soon, and then test it on the live server for an hour or two and monitor closely.
This is a real matchmaker, so with that, we will have veterans fighting veterans, and we kept the Teambuilder logic as it was already working admirably.
I don't deny it, this is "the thing" I wanted to get fixed the most since Open Beta. Ill give you a golf clap for failing the community.
Starter Fit Suits are OP :-)
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