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Vrain Matari
Mikramurka Shock Troop
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.03.28 14:15:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:I do not disagree that the lack of a working matchmaker has been one of my biggest disappointments with DUST 514. However, we have been working on a very promising solution and all our internal testing seems to confirm that it works, and that it works well. We will probably deploy the code very soon, and then test it on the live server for an hour or two and monitor closely.
This is a real matchmaker, so with that, we will have veterans fighting veterans, and we kept the Teambuilder logic as it was already working admirably.
I don't deny it, this is "the thing" I wanted to get fixed the most since Open Beta.
Sweet. That near the top of the low-hanging fruit list.
PSN: RationalSpark
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Vrain Matari
Mikramurka Shock Troop
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.03.28 14:30:00 -
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Ghosts Chance wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:I do not disagree that the lack of a working matchmaker has been one of my biggest disappointments with DUST 514. However, we have been working on a very promising solution and all our internal testing seems to confirm that it works, and that it works well. We will probably deploy the code very soon, and then test it on the live server for an hour or two and monitor closely.
This is a real matchmaker, so with that, we will have veterans fighting veterans, and we kept the Teambuilder logic as it was already working admirably.
I don't deny it, this is "the thing" I wanted to get fixed the most since Open Beta. but does it take ping into account, because fighting vets with 1fps every game instead of 1 of 3 games is even worse i dont want to fight spanish and japanesee corps EVERY game at 1 fps i will simply quit the game.
You're right about ping being an issue, but the core matchmaker logic needs to come first. Adjusting for player performance adn adjusting for network performance are two separate calculations with two separate sets of variables.
PSN: RationalSpark
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Mikramurka Shock Troop
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.03.28 14:42:00 -
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Everything Dies wrote:Spaceman-Rob wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:I do not disagree that the lack of a working matchmaker has been one of my biggest disappointments with DUST 514. However, we have been working on a very promising solution and all our internal testing seems to confirm that it works, and that it works well. We will probably deploy the code very soon, and then test it on the live server for an hour or two and monitor closely.
This is a real matchmaker, so with that, we will have veterans fighting veterans, and we kept the Teambuilder logic as it was already working admirably.
I don't deny it, this is "the thing" I wanted to get fixed the most since Open Beta. OK so I'm a vet and I choose to wear standard gear in pubs, will I still have to go up against proto stompers? Exactly. My go-to suits are typically a standard assault, standard sentinel, or advanced assault that costs roughly 50k.
Imo pubs need 2 things to move us closer to an experience that noobs and vets can both enjoy.
One: Get rid of the shared scans/tacnet for pubs. Make it a deployable for FW, PC and corp battles. Couple the ability to deploy a tacnet to a strategic resource, partially harvested from PC battles & partially harvested from PC drone maintenance contracts. Perhaps make these resources binary so the PVE corps had something valuable to contribute to the overall strategic gameplay. Shared scans is very likely a bigger force multiplier for high sp vet squads than proto gear.
Two: Impose a metalimit on pub squad members, set it somewhere around an ADV loadout on an ADV suit.
If Ratt's matchmaker is going to effectively separate noobs from vets then we don't need point Two, but if it's going to actually measure player FPS skill and mix vets with academy graduates then point Two will make the experience better for everybody.
PSN: RationalSpark
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Mikramurka Shock Troop
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.03.28 15:08:00 -
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The Dark Cloud wrote:Ya know having actual skill based matchmaking can aswell do quite some harm then good. Ill take COD black ops II for an example:
-skill based matchmaking introduced on day 1
-community went awol because of that and it actually has beeing towned down
If you are a scrub and only play vs other scrubs and do average-good in those matches will give you a false self image of your skill lvl. So basically your scrub corp believes they are ready for PC and then gets utterly destroyed in their first match because they actually fought decent players.
Prime example is the acedemy where people play vs other newbies until they get kicked out. They have a false image of their skill lvl and then get destroyed in their first ever actual pub match. The only way how to improve is to play vs better players.
I think a metalvl lockout would work better as just make the matchmaker "vets vs vets and scrubs vs scrubs". Vets are a smaller community and if you implement it wrong then the que times for good players will be way too long.
I'm worried about the same thing. Hence my proposal for a soft metalevel lockout for pub squads.
PSN: RationalSpark
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Vrain Matari
Mikramurka Shock Troop
Minmatar Republic
2592
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Posted - 2015.03.28 15:37:00 -
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Maiden selena MORTIMOR wrote:Spaceman-Rob wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:I do not disagree that the lack of a working matchmaker has been one of my biggest disappointments with DUST 514. However, we have been working on a very promising solution and all our internal testing seems to confirm that it works, and that it works well. We will probably deploy the code very soon, and then test it on the live server for an hour or two and monitor closely.
This is a real matchmaker, so with that, we will have veterans fighting veterans, and we kept the Teambuilder logic as it was already working admirably.
I don't deny it, this is "the thing" I wanted to get fixed the most since Open Beta. OK so I'm a vet and I choose to wear standard gear in pubs, will I still have to go up against proto stompers? Sane question I'm a vet I run std and adv gear in pubs mostly Will I forever have to fight proto teams now ..cause if so ..grabs my mlt shotgun and re's But seriously proto v proto in pubs a majority of the time will be miserable for a lot of old players especially the ones that are not in elite corps And they payouts are still shoddy in pubs ....
payouts are currently good enough to run ADV suits with CPX mods and ADV/STD weapons and stay ISK stable(except for AV ofc, that needs to be proto everything even vs. STD HAVs).
I don't want payments to rise so high that a solo ******* like me can afford to run proto.
PSN: RationalSpark
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Vrain Matari
Mikramurka Shock Troop
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.04.02 03:04:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:Mr.Pepe Le Pew wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:I do not disagree that the lack of a working matchmaker has been one of my biggest disappointments with DUST 514. However, we have been working on a very promising solution and all our internal testing seems to confirm that it works, and that it works well. We will probably deploy the code very soon, and then test it on the live server for an hour or two and monitor closely.
This is a real matchmaker, so with that, we will have veterans fighting veterans, and we kept the Teambuilder logic as it was already working admirably.
I don't deny it, this is "the thing" I wanted to get fixed the most since Open Beta. Hi Rattati, this is the first time I've seen you acknowledge the huge elephant in the room. I've read previous posts regarding matchmaking and there had been, until this thread, a denial of the obvious. I don't know if to applaud you or to not ever trust what you write on the forums. In any case, I shall applaud your efforts into deploying the new code for matchmaking. Let's hope it works out. I have been very clear in all my explanation, that up until now, there was not a working Matchmaker. Since that logic is more difficult to fix, I pushed for the Teambuilder logic. I state facts and my opinions, and have never hidden either when I have discussed the Matchmaking logic.
Agreed.
PSN: RationalSpark
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