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Fizzer XCIV Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 2783	Posted - 2015.03.22 02:06:00 - [61] - Quote VAHZZ wrote: Teeee Bone wrote: VAHZZ wrote: EVE: Valkyrie will be on PS4, DUST can't compete. exactly. they would capture two different player bases. DUST also has WarFrame to compete with. What I'm saying is. DUST WONT MAKE IT ON PS4. That's barely competition. I doubt there would be much competition. They have way different fees to them. They just don't attract the same kinds of players. A few, but not enough to be considered thier direct competition. Their biggest competitor would be Planetside 2, and if I'm going to be honest, if Dust was done ANYTHING like the idea that they had in the beginning, PS2 would have been left behind by its own playerbase already. Also, Dust has a better chance on PS4 than "Legion" does on PC... and Dust on PS3, obviously. Really, the obvious choice is to put Legion on PS4... There are only 2 F2P FPSs on PS4. PS2 and Blacklight. That's would pretty much be the whole of their competition, and they could pretty much write both of those games off as nonfactors. If they were to go on PC, they would have dozens and dozens of other F2P FPSs to compete with. It just makes no sense for them to go to PC... Home at Last <3
Thor Odinson42 Negative-Feedback 6291	Posted - 2015.03.22 02:14:00 - [62] - Quote 7th Son 7 wrote: Lol, this would'nt be such a big **** deal if there were other games like Dust, there's not. I don't think we are all here because we love the way things have gone. I tried to find something else to play. With all it's flaws this game is like crack ***** for me.
rasputin900000 Subsonic Synthesis 31	Posted - 2015.03.22 02:25:00 - [63] - Quote DiablosMajora wrote: Polished gem? No. Steps in the right direction to obtain polishing materials? Yes, see hotfix Alpha - Echo, and the upcoming 1.1 Warlords update. CCP has made clear that they intend to keep developing for the PS3 until it is no longer feasible, and I expect this to go on for at least another year. Next Fanfest will likely announce plans to move to a different platform; Sony has specifically stated that they plan to stop support for the PS3 this year (I can provide link) and by next year the PS4 will be halfway through its console cycle. Development for anything on Sony's consoles takes longer due to QA Processes and a slew of other factors I'm sure that we don't know about. In addition, going to PC allows the use of test servers and a whole bunch of other things. Even upping system memory by an average of 1600% (256mb to 4gb) for a Windows 7 system would help alleviate MANY problems and give devs much more room to work with. TLDR: PC is the best option for now. Where'd you get the info that Sony's pulling the plug on ps3? EA and several others have games coming out for the next 12 months Sony said it would support the ps3 until it wasn't profitable. The last I read we have no worries in losing it till 2017 at the earliest. PS forums.
IMMORTAL WAR HERO Ahrendee Inc. Negative-Feedback 317	Posted - 2015.03.22 04:34:00 - [64] - Quote Teeee Bone wrote: just saying... ohhh ya i have a ps4 i can say they spiff up they players per map more than battle field this game would be huge on ps4 Frowned upon by amateurs: The object of war is not to die for your country but make the other bastard die for his. GSP
Operative 1174 Uuali Y.A.M.A.H 533	Posted - 2015.03.22 04:38:00 - [65] - Quote EVE=more variety and immediate combat match mechanics=bigger profits. EVE=stale, uneventful "sandbox" only=failed playerbase=begging for profits from DUSTers. Your point? Death is a serious businessGÇª So is running a shoddy, half-baked game company.
Pseudogenesis Nos Nothi 2339	Posted - 2015.03.22 04:48:00 - [66] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: With things like Star Citizen on the horizon and it's FPS module trying to put Dust onto PC is what doesn't make sense. Dust would provide a unique experience on the PS4 and I think that if CCP Rattati hits his goals for this year Dust will be in a good enough place to warrant making a move over to that platform. #DustPS4 Serious? Star Citizen's FPS module is nothing. It's not even made by the main SC team, it's an afterthought. And SC isn't even a F2P game. It's a bit like saying Dust shouldn't release on PC because it'll be competing with Titanfall. Just because it's a sci fi FPS doesn't mean it'll compete with every other sci fi FPS out there. Stabby-stabber extraordinaire Gû¼+¦GòÉGòÉn¦ñ I stabbed Rattati once, you know.
mollerz 6255	Posted - 2015.03.22 05:01:00 - [67] - Quote Pseudogenesis wrote: Serious? Star Citizen's FPS module is nothing. It's not even made by the main SC team, it's an afterthought. And SC isn't even a F2P game. It's a bit like saying Dust shouldn't release on PC because it'll be competing with Titanfall. Just because it's a sci fi FPS doesn't mean it'll compete with every other sci fi FPS out there. Not sure where you go that info, but it's not accurate. They have different teams handling different parts of the game. There is an FPS team, a ship building team, a social module team, and it kind of goes on. But they are all SC, and all managed by Chris Roberts. FPS is not an after thought. They are designing each game part as modules specifically to create, engineer, and play test. They will all be combined at some point into two parts- the single player game called Squadron 42 and the multiplayer PU, or persistent Universe. And yes- it will compete with Eve and all of their fragmented projects/products. They are both video games and of the same genre. They compete for the same limited consumers.
Cypher Nil Fireteam Tempest 96	Posted - 2015.03.22 05:36:00 - [68] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: Nirwanda Vaughns wrote: PS4 Port = Asking Epic games for license to use unreal engine on a console (again), Asking Sony permission to put DUST514 on PSN store, despite Sony having thier own sci-fi FPSMMO and DUST having such a huge negative view in industrys eyes. Abiding by Sony and Epics regulations for updates/expansion. PC Port = CCP being able to do pretty much what they want on a system thats in more homes than PS4 consoles. Easier connection between EVE, 600,000 EVE subscribers already familiar with CCP who see consoles as a stepdown and so wont buy one. PC makes more sense and will allow more freedom for CCP to develop it in the long run. Developing for consoles can be a pain whereas with a PC pretty much anyone with half decent coding experience can release a game and distribute it You've got it backwards. The console is where Dust has a playerbase. Also, I see you are still prone to pulling stuff wayyyyyyyyy out of your arse. A better game would lead to a larger playerbase, PC would lead to a better game. +20 Million SP Merc Caldari Loyalist Of course we won, now when do I get paid?
Cypher Nil Fireteam Tempest 96	Posted - 2015.03.22 05:40:00 - [69] - Quote rasputin900000 wrote: DiablosMajora wrote: Polished gem? No. Steps in the right direction to obtain polishing materials? Yes, see hotfix Alpha - Echo, and the upcoming 1.1 Warlords update. CCP has made clear that they intend to keep developing for the PS3 until it is no longer feasible, and I expect this to go on for at least another year. Next Fanfest will likely announce plans to move to a different platform; Sony has specifically stated that they plan to stop support for the PS3 this year (I can provide link) and by next year the PS4 will be halfway through its console cycle. Development for anything on Sony's consoles takes longer due to QA Processes and a slew of other factors I'm sure that we don't know about. In addition, going to PC allows the use of test servers and a whole bunch of other things. Even upping system memory by an average of 1600% (256mb to 4gb) for a Windows 7 system would help alleviate MANY problems and give devs much more room to work with. TLDR: PC is the best option for now. Where'd you get the info that Sony's pulling the plug on ps3? EA and several others have games coming out for the next 12 months Sony said it would support the ps3 until it wasn't profitable. The last I read we have no worries in losing it till 2017 at the earliest. PS forums. I'm not sure about support for the console but they will be discontinue production of the PS3 late 2015 or early 2016 +20 Million SP Merc Caldari Loyalist Of course we won, now when do I get paid?
Gemini Cuspid 137	Posted - 2015.03.22 05:40:00 - [70] - Quote Teeee Bone wrote: just saying... Nope, would actually make LESS money. If they're plan on Legion is still as they presented it then those who play Dust have an incentive to play Legion for the reward of sorts. Otherwise the playerbase and actually number of games slated to be released this year is an impressive list. Valkyrie already will see "No Man's Sky" as a direct competitor and has gotten better raves overall along with a push from Sony. can't say CCP has this backing on game development and their ability to rely on sheer reputation took a hit with Dust alone.

Regis Blackbird Dust University Ivy League 670	Posted - 2015.03.22 08:51:00 - [71] - Quote Lavallois Nash wrote: If you want a port tomorrow, people should focus on achieving growth on THIS platform today. Its not impossible, summer is coming up, alot of PS3s are hitting the secondary market, which means people without large game libraries will be buying them...... ^ This My guess (if Dust stays profitable): 1) Dust 514 will be directly ported to PS4 (with cross-platform play) with exactly the same content as the PS3 version with higher textures and frame rate. This will be EVE-FPS Lite on the consoles. 2) Project Legion will not exist as a separate game, but will be incorporated into the EVE PC client as a new expansion, as a direct response to Star Citizen. Both games will co-exist.
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 5457	Posted - 2015.03.22 10:08:00 - [72] - Quote Georgia Xavier wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Nirwanda Vaughns wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: I don't have a PS4. I have a desktop and a laptop that can play any PC game at optimal levels. I just think the port to PS4 first is a better business decision. again though. it comes down to the simple things like Why would sony want DUST on the PS4 considering it was deemed a failure by most of the industry? The decision to put DUST on PS4 isn't just CCPs. they need licensing permission to use unreal Engine on the console and SOny have to allow them to publish it. we can all bch and whine about how awesome it might be to have DUST/Legion on the console but the truth is, is that in everyone elses but our eyes its a st game and only us few die hard fans stick with it. the best move for CCP would be PC first where they can build the game with relative ease on a platform they're familiar with and which is simple to work with. They have a very dedicated playerbase on EVE that would far exceed players on a console. Many of my EVE buddies either don't have a PS3/PS4 or wouldn't even dream of buying it becuase "PCmasterraceBS" With being on PC CCP could put adverts in the EVE splash loader for DUST514/Legion that they get exclusive gear in both games if they sign up for free. EVE players usually have multi monitor play so they can sit AFK mining on eve while playing DUST/Legion on another monitor. they don't need to mess about with another console. Once they've built up a reasonable playerbase and many in the industry have forgotten the bad patch CCP had (DUST and World of darkness) they can appraoch Sony/MS with the PC version, show them what they've built and look at re-selling it to consoles in 2yrs time when they've had more chance get things running better between EVE and DUST/Legion. The desperation some people have for a PC version of this game despite all logic is funny. PC market is over saturated, it would have no success. PS has always been weak on the scifi shooter front, with Killzone front and center with mediocrity. There is a bigger market on PS4 for this game then there ever will be on PC. And again, screw hackers. That alone is reason to never put this thing on PC. Hackers + F2P + slow reactionary GM force = dead game. As for your question, why would Sony want it? Probably because it makes them money and they don't even have to maintain the game servers, as those are run by CCP. Sony doesn't care what people in "the industry" think. Doing business in the gaming industry isn't some elementary school social situation where a few people make snarky comments and you get kicked out of the clubhouse as a result. Money is what matters, and Dust has been making it. You don't understand. Reputation DOES matter to Sony. Dust is rather infamous which will deter sony's confidence in it. Sony is a money making industry after all as you said and to put a game the supposedly makes "profits" at the very end of the PS3 life cycle isn't a very attractive idea business-wise. And again EVE doesn't have problems with hackers I'm sure they have counter measures against them. It isn't fair to assume CCP can't due **** about a fat guy with a few .exe files. Funny, kind of seems to me like YOU don't understand. Have you ever even been a part of the gaming industry outside of the consumer standpoint? Because I have. If it makes money they want it, its as simple as that. How the game is reviewed is simply a sign of how much it will probably make with future iterations. Additional confidence isn't necessary on that front because they make money from it every month on aurum sales as it is, proving that the review process is largely irrelevant to the profitability of this particular IP. Usually banned for being too awesome.
TerranKnight87 Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 274	Posted - 2015.03.22 10:21:00 - [73] - Quote DiablosMajora wrote: PC is the most ideal scenario. It offers unparalleled options for development. Once the edges have been ironed out and development has good momentum, THEN consoles are an option. IMO, realistically, by the time DUST is ready to make a platform switch the PS4 may well be at the end of its lifecycle. We've been down that road once before. Dust would have to compete with goat simulator, Minecraft, hearthstone, farming simulator and CSGO....... I'm not kidding. Matchmaking will boost the ps3 capability by 1000% and we can enjoy Dust for years to come......
Georgia Xavier Y.A.M.A.H 113	Posted - 2015.03.22 13:04:00 - [74] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Georgia Xavier wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Nirwanda Vaughns wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: I don't have a PS4. I have a desktop and a laptop that can play any PC game at optimal levels. I just think the port to PS4 first is a better business decision. again though. it comes down to the simple things like Why would sony want DUST on the PS4 considering it was deemed a failure by most of the industry? The decision to put DUST on PS4 isn't just CCPs. they need licensing permission to use unreal Engine on the console and SOny have to allow them to publish it. we can all bch and whine about how awesome it might be to have DUST/Legion on the console but the truth is, is that in everyone elses but our eyes its a st game and only us few die hard fans stick with it. the best move for CCP would be PC first where they can build the game with relative ease on a platform they're familiar with and which is simple to work with. They have a very dedicated playerbase on EVE that would far exceed players on a console. Many of my EVE buddies either don't have a PS3/PS4 or wouldn't even dream of buying it becuase "PCmasterraceBS" With being on PC CCP could put adverts in the EVE splash loader for DUST514/Legion that they get exclusive gear in both games if they sign up for free. EVE players usually have multi monitor play so they can sit AFK mining on eve while playing DUST/Legion on another monitor. they don't need to mess about with another console. Once they've built up a reasonable playerbase and many in the industry have forgotten the bad patch CCP had (DUST and World of darkness) they can appraoch Sony/MS with the PC version, show them what they've built and look at re-selling it to consoles in 2yrs time when they've had more chance get things running better between EVE and DUST/Legion. The desperation some people have for a PC version of this game despite all logic is funny. PC market is over saturated, it would have no success. PS has always been weak on the scifi shooter front, with Killzone front and center with mediocrity. There is a bigger market on PS4 for this game then there ever will be on PC. And again, screw hackers. That alone is reason to never put this thing on PC. Hackers + F2P + slow reactionary GM force = dead game. As for your question, why would Sony want it? Probably because it makes them money and they don't even have to maintain the game servers, as those are run by CCP. Sony doesn't care what people in "the industry" think. Doing business in the gaming industry isn't some elementary school social situation where a few people make snarky comments and you get kicked out of the clubhouse as a result. Money is what matters, and Dust has been making it. You don't understand. Reputation DOES matter to Sony. Dust is rather infamous which will deter sony's confidence in it. Sony is a money making industry after all as you said and to put a game the supposedly makes "profits" at the very end of the PS3 life cycle isn't a very attractive idea business-wise. And again EVE doesn't have problems with hackers I'm sure they have counter measures against them. It isn't fair to assume CCP can't due **** about a fat guy with a few .exe files. Funny, kind of seems to me like YOU don't understand. Have you ever even been a part of the gaming industry outside of the consumer standpoint? Because I have. If it makes money they want it, its as simple as that. How the game is reviewed is simply a sign of how much it will probably make with future iterations. Additional confidence isn't necessary on that front because they make money from it every month on aurum sales as it is, proving that the review process is largely irrelevant to the profitability of this particular IP. What makes you think dust is making money? those "profits" they say could just mean they decreased their costs, not actually gaining more revenue. This could be done with many ways, laying off employees is one example. Dust ****** up already, Sony is likely to be more hesitant on letting dust be on PSN compared when dust just came out How many amarr does it take to change a light bulb? none. The minmatar do it for them
One Eyed King Nos Nothi 8751	Posted - 2015.03.22 14:58:00 - [75] - Quote Teeee Bone wrote: One Eyed King wrote: PS4 sales as of Jan = 18.5 Million PS3 sales as of Last May = 77.3 Million If you think that PS4 has a larger player base, you need to learn some basic math. While I support some form of Dust/Legion on the PS4, Dust can still be viable on the PS3. In fact, it was just recently announced that FFXI is JUST NOW finally going to have an end date. On the PS2. This game still has a long life span given the player base, and many other parts of the world using older gen consoles. Don' let your wants cloud real analysis. This thread is funny... You can tell who has a ps4 and who doesnt. LMAO I have a PS4, thank you. Ask some of the other PS2 beta players. Just because someone has a brain and knows how to do a reasoned analysis doesn't mean they are lacking. But I suppose I can see how that would automatically be a conclusion from a juvenile's narrow perspective. Former CEO of the Land of the BIind. Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
Teeee Bone C0M8AT V3T3RANS 147	Posted - 2015.03.22 15:23:00 - [76] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Teeee Bone wrote: One Eyed King wrote: PS4 sales as of Jan = 18.5 Million PS3 sales as of Last May = 77.3 Million If you think that PS4 has a larger player base, you need to learn some basic math. While I support some form of Dust/Legion on the PS4, Dust can still be viable on the PS3. In fact, it was just recently announced that FFXI is JUST NOW finally going to have an end date. On the PS2. This game still has a long life span given the player base, and many other parts of the world using older gen consoles. Don' let your wants cloud real analysis. This thread is funny... You can tell who has a ps4 and who doesnt. LMAO I have a PS4, thank you. Ask some of the other PS2 beta players. Just because someone has a brain and knows how to do a reasoned analysis doesn't mean they are lacking. But I suppose I can see how that would automatically be a conclusion from a juvenile's narrow perspective. Someone took an extra dose of their serious pill!! I love the smell of orbital support in the morning!!!
Avinash Decker Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 190	Posted - 2015.03.22 15:42:00 - [77] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Teeee Bone wrote: One Eyed King wrote: PS4 sales as of Jan = 18.5 Million PS3 sales as of Last May = 77.3 Million If you think that PS4 has a larger player base, you need to learn some basic math. While I support some form of Dust/Legion on the PS4, Dust can still be viable on the PS3. In fact, it was just recently announced that FFXI is JUST NOW finally going to have an end date. On the PS2. This game still has a long life span given the player base, and many other parts of the world using older gen consoles. Don' let your wants cloud real analysis. This thread is funny... You can tell who has a ps4 and who doesnt. LMAO I have a PS4, thank you. Ask some of the other PS2 beta players. Just because someone has a brain and knows how to do a reasoned analysis doesn't mean they are lacking. But I suppose I can see how that would automatically be a conclusion from a juvenile's narrow perspective. If the ps3 has such a large fanbase than the ps4; ps3 games of multiplatform titles would sale more(which doesn't a lot of the time and Dust would have more players than around 2700 players. Dust is not viable on the ps3 because CCP jacked that up and there's little people playing this game with little signs of increasing. It will get smaller and smaller as the months go by; eventually very little people will be playing most likely.
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 5467	Posted - 2015.03.22 18:07:00 - [78] - Quote Pseudogenesis wrote: Kain Spero wrote: With things like Star Citizen on the horizon and it's FPS module trying to put Dust onto PC is what doesn't make sense. Dust would provide a unique experience on the PS4 and I think that if CCP Rattati hits his goals for this year Dust will be in a good enough place to warrant making a move over to that platform. #DustPS4 Serious? Star Citizen's FPS module is nothing. It's not even made by the main SC team, it's an afterthought. And SC isn't even a F2P game. It's a bit like saying Dust shouldn't release on PC because it'll be competing with Titanfall. Just because it's a sci fi FPS doesn't mean it'll compete with every other sci fi FPS out there. You know what else was an afterthought? Dust. Originally they were going to do an RTS game for the EVE client. Usually banned for being too awesome.
mollerz 6272	Posted - 2015.03.22 19:46:00 - [79] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: No Man's Sky will be the one that doesn't really compete. It's doing some drastically different stuff. No Mans Sky will be very interesting to see. I look forward to its release. In a sense it does compete with CCP and CIG. But it is not as overtly head to head competition. I hope Sean pulls off NMS because it is extremely ambitious and for an indie dev, it would just be a great success story.
Jack McReady Dust University Ivy League 2065	Posted - 2015.03.22 19:48:00 - [80] - Quote VAHZZ wrote: Teeee Bone wrote: VAHZZ wrote: EVE: Valkyrie will be on PS4, DUST can't compete. exactly. they would capture two different player bases. DUST also has WarFrame to compete with. What I'm saying is. DUST WONT MAKE IT ON PS4. different game = different target group = no competition

Kain Spero Negative-Feedback. 4868	Posted - 2015.03.23 11:07:00 - [81] - Quote Jack McReady wrote: sorry bro, you better inform yourself. if legion/dust pc becomes a thing it will be run on unreal engine cause they put alot of work to modify it. Correct. CCP has confirmed on several occasions that Project Legion was running on Unreal 3. Owner of Spero Escrow Services Follow @KainSpero for Dust and Legion news
mollerz 6276	Posted - 2015.03.23 21:01:00 - [82] - Quote They really should go to UE4. Outside of sticking with the PS3.. sticking with UE3 is just as bad.
LOOKMOM NOHANDS Warpoint Sharx 344	Posted - 2015.03.23 21:05:00 - [83] - Quote mollerz wrote: They really should go to UE4. Outside of sticking with the PS3.. sticking with UE3 is just as bad. CCP is dealing with the same issue that a lot of developers are. Once you have heavily modified UE3 to fit your needs a switch that big is almost unthinkable.
postapo wastelander Corrosive Synergy Rise Of Legion. 1119	Posted - 2015.03.23 21:10:00 - [84] - Quote Teeee Bone wrote: just saying... Nonsence, end of story. "Sebiestor Hetzer"
mollerz 6278	Posted - 2015.03.23 22:48:00 - [85] - Quote LOOKMOM NOHANDS wrote: mollerz wrote: They really should go to UE4. Outside of sticking with the PS3.. sticking with UE3 is just as bad. CCP is dealing with the same issue that a lot of developers are. Once you have heavily modified UE3 to fit your needs a switch that big is almost unthinkable. In many cases that is correct. Mostly with one off title releases. With regards to CCP it just doesn't make any sense. To keep Dust on PS3... odd as it is. To use UE3 for legion? That is just beyond the pale. To use it for PS4? Again, would make no sense to stick with UE3. Another thing, if you are going to engineer/dev a game with a specific game engine that runs a game that will go through a decade or so of evolutions.. you are going to have to face facts that in that time frame you will be converting to updated engines and hardware. As long as Dust is on the PS3 I have to agree, but the second they use UE3 for anything else it becomes detrimental.
Kain Spero Negative-Feedback. 4871	Posted - 2015.03.24 13:24:00 - [86] - Quote mollerz wrote: With regards to CCP it just doesn't make any sense. To keep Dust on PS3... odd as it is. To use UE3 for legion? That is just beyond the pale. To use it for PS4? Again, would make no sense to stick with UE3. Another thing, if you are going to engineer/dev a game with a specific game engine that runs a game that will go through a decade or so of evolutions.. you are going to have to face facts that in that time frame you will be converting to updated engines and hardware. As long as Dust is on the PS3 I have to agree, but the second they use UE3 for anything else it becomes detrimental. Whether or not it makes sense is less of an issue than if the costs to switch engines is exceedingly high. I'd hate for CCP to feel like they MUST use a new engine on PS4 and therefore stop themselves from moving to a new console because they can't afford to change the engine. Owner of Spero Escrow Services Follow @KainSpero for Dust and Legion news
TerranKnight87 Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 278	Posted - 2015.03.24 13:29:00 - [87] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: mollerz wrote: With regards to CCP it just doesn't make any sense. To keep Dust on PS3... odd as it is. To use UE3 for legion? That is just beyond the pale. To use it for PS4? Again, would make no sense to stick with UE3. Another thing, if you are going to engineer/dev a game with a specific game engine that runs a game that will go through a decade or so of evolutions.. you are going to have to face facts that in that time frame you will be converting to updated engines and hardware. As long as Dust is on the PS3 I have to agree, but the second they use UE3 for anything else it becomes detrimental. Whether or not it makes sense is less of an issue than if the costs to switch engines is exceedingly high. I'd hate for CCP to feel like they MUST use a new engine on PS4 and therefore stop themselves from moving to a new console because they can't afford to change the engine. Wasn't it announced that the UE4 is availabe for free anyway or was that UE3?. Yes, here https://www.unrealengine.com/blog/ue4-is-free Matchmaking will boost the ps3 capability by 1000% and we can enjoy Dust for years to come......
LOOKMOM NOHANDS Warpoint Sharx 348	Posted - 2015.03.24 13:32:00 - [88] - Quote mollerz wrote: LOOKMOM NOHANDS wrote: mollerz wrote: They really should go to UE4. Outside of sticking with the PS3.. sticking with UE3 is just as bad. CCP is dealing with the same issue that a lot of developers are. Once you have heavily modified UE3 to fit your needs a switch that big is almost unthinkable. In many cases that is correct. Mostly with one off title releases. With regards to CCP it just doesn't make any sense. To keep Dust on PS3... odd as it is. To use UE3 for legion? That is just beyond the pale. To use it for PS4? Again, would make no sense to stick with UE3. Another thing, if you are going to engineer/dev a game with a specific game engine that runs a game that will go through a decade or so of evolutions.. you are going to have to face facts that in that time frame you will be converting to updated engines and hardware. As long as Dust is on the PS3 I have to agree, but the second they use UE3 for anything else it becomes detrimental. They have already announced that UE3 was being used for Legion so it is not as beyond the pale as you think. A modified version of an engine can live on far past the release of a newer version due to the fact that it is now like a well fit glove as oppose to a one size fits all glove straight from the store. This seems to be the main reason that the larger multi title studios end up going with a proprietary engine to avoid decisions like this and create a far more long term sustainable environment.
TerranKnight87 Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 278	Posted - 2015.03.24 13:35:00 - [89] - Quote LOOKMOM NOHANDS wrote: mollerz wrote: LOOKMOM NOHANDS wrote: mollerz wrote: They really should go to UE4. Outside of sticking with the PS3.. sticking with UE3 is just as bad. CCP is dealing with the same issue that a lot of developers are. Once you have heavily modified UE3 to fit your needs a switch that big is almost unthinkable. In many cases that is correct. Mostly with one off title releases. With regards to CCP it just doesn't make any sense. To keep Dust on PS3... odd as it is. To use UE3 for legion? That is just beyond the pale. To use it for PS4? Again, would make no sense to stick with UE3. Another thing, if you are going to engineer/dev a game with a specific game engine that runs a game that will go through a decade or so of evolutions.. you are going to have to face facts that in that time frame you will be converting to updated engines and hardware. As long as Dust is on the PS3 I have to agree, but the second they use UE3 for anything else it becomes detrimental. They have already announced that UE3 was being used for Legion so it is not as beyond the pale as you think. A modified version of an engine can live on far past the release of a newer version due to the fact that it is now like a well fit glove as oppose to a one size fits all glove straight from the store. This seems to be the main reason that the larger multi title studios end up going with a proprietary engine to avoid decisions like this and create a far more long term sustainable environment. UE4 is completely free now anyway so whether they use the custom UE3 they have or start fresh with UE4, shouldn't be a problem. @Thread So that mitigating point against a ps4 or pc port can now be laid to rest and not be used as any kind of excuse. Matchmaking will boost the ps3 capability by 1000% and we can enjoy Dust for years to come......
Thor Odinson42 Negative-Feedback 6302	Posted - 2015.03.24 15:05:00 - [90] - Quote TerranKnight87 wrote: Kain Spero wrote: mollerz wrote: With regards to CCP it just doesn't make any sense. To keep Dust on PS3... odd as it is. To use UE3 for legion? That is just beyond the pale. To use it for PS4? Again, would make no sense to stick with UE3. Another thing, if you are going to engineer/dev a game with a specific game engine that runs a game that will go through a decade or so of evolutions.. you are going to have to face facts that in that time frame you will be converting to updated engines and hardware. As long as Dust is on the PS3 I have to agree, but the second they use UE3 for anything else it becomes detrimental. Whether or not it makes sense is less of an issue than if the costs to switch engines is exceedingly high. I'd hate for CCP to feel like they MUST use a new engine on PS4 and therefore stop themselves from moving to a new console because they can't afford to change the engine. Wasn't it announced that the UE4 is availabe for free anyway or was that UE3?. Yes, here https://www.unrealengine.com/blog/ue4-is-free If someone told you they'd give you free bricks and wood to upgrade the existing building materials on your home would you do it?



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