I mean in their most effective setups...... i could have made that more clear

Most effective setup?
My main suit I run all the time is a Gal Assault, I have 540 armor with 20hp/s (one kin cat).
The average amount of shields a PRO Cal Assault has is 620 shields, with 50hp/s and 2/3 delays, with a kin cat.

Try again.

Most effective setup?
My main suit I run all the time is a Gal Assault, I have 540 armor with 20hp/s (one kin cat).
The average amount of shields a PRO Cal Assault has is 620 shields, with 50hp/s and 2/3 delays, with a kin cat.

Try again.

Actually that's bs

To get 2/3 delays you need 2 complex regulators
To get over 50 recharge you need 2 complex rechargers
To get over 600 shields you need 4 complex shield extenders

There isn't enough slots to have all of that equipped plus you'd have to drop equipment/grenade as its extremely cpu intensive

I can get that on the frames modified ck.0 but you can't really base things on officer suits

IMO it's balanced.

Try again.

Did I say it's not balanced?
I was refuting people saying that armor is overpowered, I was never claiming it's underpowered.

Shields can get their own tank to higher than armor can, but at the cost of more slots.
Armor however can increase its own damage, so even if the effective tank is lower, the higher damage potential compensates.

And the armor tanker has better shields than the shield user's armor, throw a shield extender on that and it'll increase your survivability against CR and RR significantly or use a precision enhancer to give 30m scan radius on all assaults and 7.5m scan radius on undampened min/amarr scouts.

Yes, as I was saying, we can compensate for our relatively weak tank with other abilities.
Also, I'm pretty sure undampened Min/Amarr scouts are a myth

Get rid of DMG mods.. Armor suits even min can use DMG mods without losing anything.. 591 armor 24 reps 200 shields and 3 complex DMG mods, also movement speed 5 so I'm just as fast as caldari..526 shields 82 recharge 2 seconds, why the hell can't I have DMG mods too? That breaks TTk. Long range battles are won by armor cuz they rep through it whereas shields have to hide for at least 2 seconds of taking 0 DMG before they even start to recharge.

2 seconds.
2 bloody seconds.

Do you even know how slow this game is?
In a long range engagements, you can afford to wait 2 seconds, especially when you have 82hp/s lmao

Complex ferroscale plate
23 cpu 8 Pg
75hp

Complex shield extender
54 cpu 11 pg
66hp
Shield depleted recharge delay 7%

It seems really unbalanced to me

So why are the stats as above?

Discuss

I once made a gal assault fit 45HP/s 406 armor, that's 90HP in 2 seconds. Funny af but super hard to survive in.

Complex ferroscale plate
23 cpu 8 Pg
75hp

Complex shield extender
54 cpu 11 pg
66hp
Shield depleted recharge delay 7%

It seems really unbalanced to me

So why are the stats as above?

Discuss

2 seconds.
2 bloody seconds.

Do you even know how slow this game is?
In a long range engagements, you can afford to wait 2 seconds, especially when you have 82hp/s lmao

Armor vs Shields is at a pretty good place right now. We just need shield transporters.

In 2 seconds you've already repped 48 but if it's my normal gal ass it'd repped 68 soo not much a difference if you actually think about it

Yeah, for the first pulse.
Then the Cal Assault pulses again and completely blows your rep out of the water lol

Armor rep is great for short term (1-5 seconds), Shield rep is great for long term (5+ seconds).

Yup, some shield Logi tools would be welcome.

Yup, some shield Logi tools would be welcome.

A large problem comes from players not knowing how to shield tank.

Shield tanking fits and tactics actually require some degree of intelligence and forethought which the common DUST player does not have an ounce of.

With Tactics, most people think shield suits should act the same as armor suits and be able to brawl just as well in CQC as a Gallente Assault.

The last problem for once has nothing to do with the player but shields do need to have some kind of Shield threshold for regen. It's incredibly unfair for a tiny ping of damage stop you from regenerating completely. (I also would like to give the Caldari more Shields at the expense of speed though but that's just me wanting more EVE traits into the game)

Armor modules are in the same slots as your CPU and PG modules. We don't have a module in the opposite slot to make our armor better. You guys however have Regulators and CPU/PG enhancements as well as the majority of the modules at your disposal in the lows. CCP even gave suits native armor regen so shield users could swap out that armor repair for something like a regulator or any other module besides wanting to dual tank. That did not work because people are still stacking armor on Caldari suits even though Cat, Arkena, Several others and I have listed Shield suits that are damn impressive even compared to an Amarr and Gallente Assault of equal meta. Sadly, those fittings require you to use Regulators and a CPU module for some of the suits. Which we all know won't happen because of the HP>All mentality that the majority of DUST players have.

tl;dr
>Most DUST players lack the intelligence to have a proper shield fit.
>Most players don't realise that all fits and defenses can't have the same playstyle
>You can't expect to use just anything and have it fit your playstyle
>Shield suits do need a Threshold of damage to affect shield regeneration.
>Shield suits need a Logistics tool, but not in the same function like the armor repair tool.

P.S. I'll swap you guys damage mods in place of Kinkats.

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The Caldari don't need to be any faster. Speed is not really a Caldari philosophy. Minmatar should be keeping their speed as that is what the Minmatar are known for.

Yes we do.

Fuq eve lore it's a stupid application of rules for terrestrial conflict.

Min speed plus bad hit detection caused by high latency makes DUST play like ****.

And you want to add more speed. You jelly bastard