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Edau Skir2
Nefantar Raiders
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Posted - 2015.01.29 00:57:00 -
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So tonight in MinFW I was roaming around in a State Gunnlogi, with;
20g Railgun X2
80g Railgun
Militia Heavy Shield Booster
Militia Heavy Shield Extender X2
Militia Powered Upgrade
Militia Railgun Ammo Expansion Unit
and not a single AV'er could scratch it. Even after being hit by three swarms, I'd just activate the Booster and back to full health. Only thing that could kill me was another tank.
So in summary, I do believe that something has to be adjusted to balance out the AV-Vehicle situation. If a swarm and forge can't scratch a tank with militia modules, something's wrong.
Resident pasty smasher
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LUGMOS
Quafe Premium
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Posted - 2015.01.29 01:00:00 -
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God dammit. We all know shield HAVs are way outperforming.
Try the Madrugar with militia modules and see for yourself. Don't make AV UP, make shield HAVs OP...
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Mex-0
T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2015.01.29 01:02:00 -
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I don't even waste a weapon slot on AV now.... I just equip AV grenades and nanohives.
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Sinboto Simmons
Dead Man's Game
RUST415
7458
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Posted - 2015.01.29 01:04:00 -
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Don't know who you were playing against, I get hit by AV and my shield drops faster than a fratboy's pants.
Sinboto - The True Blood Minja
Forum Warrior level 5 Prof 2
Born of the Brutor tribe
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CCP Rattati
C C P
C C P Alliance
16063
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Posted - 2015.01.29 01:04:00 -
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Gunnlogis are pretty OP, and Maddies UP. Take a look at the HAV thread in Feedback for rebalancing efforts.
"As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"
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Songs of Seraphim
Murphys-Law
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Posted - 2015.01.29 01:04:00 -
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Ishukone Assault Forge Gun.
Best for AV.
OR the breach forge variant if you can shoot the weak spot of the tank.
Wyrikomi Swarms aren't supposed to kill a tank (not with 1 clip anyway) merely deter it. Unless it's two or more swarms.
And as a new ADS pilot (in-training) I understand as such.
Forges should kill me.
And swarms too, if I'm not careful.
Though, I deem it is a bit unfair when 1 clip of a swarm launcher can kill me in an ADS.
But hey, you adapt.
Caldari loyalist
Assault ck.0. Logistics ck.0. Scout ck.0. Commando ck.0. Sentinel ck.0.
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Edau Skir2
Nefantar Raiders
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Posted - 2015.01.29 01:11:00 -
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LUGMOS wrote:God dammit. We all know shield HAVs are way outperforming.
Try the Madrugar with militia modules and see for yourself. Don't make AV UP, make shield HAVs OP...
I'm not saying anything should be nerfed/buffed, I'm saying that av should be better equipped to tackle shields, and Tank mods should be able to regenerate armor faster.
As you stated, in its current state, shield tanked HAVs are wayyyy Op. I mean, that tank had 4300 shield hp. Imagine the ridiculousness if I'd actually skilled into vehicles at all! (Not a single sp)
And thank you Lord Rattati, I shall do just that! 
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TritusX
PH4NT0M5
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Posted - 2015.01.29 01:13:00 -
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or galmando with mods and PLC
nearly killed an incubus, gunnlogi, madrugar with std anti armor fit and a plc
galmando even more op
Believe in RUST
Don't hate the DUST
lol
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Edau Skir2
Nefantar Raiders
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Posted - 2015.01.29 01:15:00 -
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TritusX wrote:or galmando with mods and PLC
nearly killed an incubus, gunnlogi, madrugar with std anti armor fit and a plc
galmando even more op
I had a guy trying to plc me, but once you see him it's easy to avoid them. Then the 20gj Railguns pick them apart
Resident pasty smasher
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Chimichanga66605
Capital Acquisitions LLC
Bad Intention
313
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Posted - 2015.01.29 01:17:00 -
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Flux Orbitals anyone? Am I the only one who uses those 300 WP against shield tanks before I attack?
Mk.0 Specialist, Republic Loyalist
"Badassery is not born, but often thrust upon you." -Franklin Delano Roosevelt
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Sinboto Simmons
Dead Man's Game
RUST415
7458
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Posted - 2015.01.29 01:18:00 -
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Chimichanga66605 wrote:Flux Orbitals anyone? Am I the only one who uses those 300 WP against shield tanks before I attack?
Yes, because no one else has the aim of Zeus.
Sinboto - The True Blood Minja
Forum Warrior level 5 Prof 2
Born of the Brutor tribe
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duster 35000
Algintal Core
Gallente Federation
156
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Posted - 2015.01.29 01:42:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:Gunnlogis are pretty OP, and Maddies UP. Take a look at the HAV thread in Feedback for rebalancing efforts.
I don't see how the Gunlogi is op, maddy wins tank fights and can aim down. Along with constant regen.
And wasn't the gunlogi supposed to be strong for a short while?
as for swarms, well, damage profile, proto swarms on a minmando though...
Choo Choo
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
16870
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Posted - 2015.01.29 01:45:00 -
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duster 35000 wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:Gunnlogis are pretty OP, and Maddies UP. Take a look at the HAV thread in Feedback for rebalancing efforts. I don't see how the Gunlogi is op, maddy wins tank fights and can aim down. Along with constant regen. And wasn't the gunlogi supposed to be strong for a short while? as for swarms, well, damage profile, proto swarms on a minmando though...
All tanks should have the ability to aim down to some degree...... that's kinda mandatory..... hopefully this can be fixed.
"This is the Usumgal boy, the exalted dragon, wreathed in the fires of heaven. He is a true symbol of God's majesty."
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TritusX
PH4NT0M5
168
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Posted - 2015.01.29 01:48:00 -
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Edau Skir2 wrote:TritusX wrote:or galmando with mods and PLC
nearly killed an incubus, gunnlogi, madrugar with std anti armor fit and a plc
galmando even more op I had a guy trying to plc me, but once you see him it's easy to avoid them. Then the 20gj Railguns pick them apart
not too easy when you're stuck in a city somewhere
or when you have no gunners
or a railgun
or le pesky scout can do the job
Believe in RUST
Don't hate the DUST
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Sinboto Simmons
Dead Man's Game
RUST415
7467
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Posted - 2015.01.29 01:51:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:duster 35000 wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:Gunnlogis are pretty OP, and Maddies UP. Take a look at the HAV thread in Feedback for rebalancing efforts. I don't see how the Gunlogi is op, maddy wins tank fights and can aim down. Along with constant regen. And wasn't the gunlogi supposed to be strong for a short while? as for swarms, well, damage profile, proto swarms on a minmando though... All tanks should have the ability to aim down to some degree...... that's kinda mandatory..... hopefully this can be fixed.
Wasn't there some problems with the turret clipping through the tank hull in the past? They ever get around to fixing that?
Sinboto - The True Blood Minja
Forum Warrior level 5 Prof 2
Born of the Brutor tribe
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Slave of MORTE
Eyniletti Rangers
Minmatar Republic
219
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Posted - 2015.01.29 01:52:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:duster 35000 wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:Gunnlogis are pretty OP, and Maddies UP. Take a look at the HAV thread in Feedback for rebalancing efforts. I don't see how the Gunlogi is op, maddy wins tank fights and can aim down. Along with constant regen. And wasn't the gunlogi supposed to be strong for a short while? as for swarms, well, damage profile, proto swarms on a minmando though... All tanks should have the ability to aim down to some degree...... that's kinda mandatory..... hopefully this can be fixed.
Been that way since closed beta hold ur breath and wait for gun logis to be able to aim down
Yet another slave of Mortedeamor
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taxi bastard
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
368
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Posted - 2015.01.29 01:56:00 -
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well the triple rep maddie is still good against a proto swarmer until he runs out of ammo, but yea give me a maddie anyday to fight.
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
16870
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Posted - 2015.01.29 01:57:00 -
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Sinboto Simmons wrote:True Adamance wrote:duster 35000 wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:Gunnlogis are pretty OP, and Maddies UP. Take a look at the HAV thread in Feedback for rebalancing efforts. I don't see how the Gunlogi is op, maddy wins tank fights and can aim down. Along with constant regen. And wasn't the gunlogi supposed to be strong for a short while? as for swarms, well, damage profile, proto swarms on a minmando though... All tanks should have the ability to aim down to some degree...... that's kinda mandatory..... hopefully this can be fixed. Wasn't there some problems with the turret clipping through the tank hull in the past? They ever get around to fixing that?
Doubt it...... I remember when I could shoot myself....
If we got anyone who wouldn't get out of the HAV, etc I'd just shoot myself until I took the bastard with me.
It's odd looking at the designs of CCP's HAV in Dust 514 as I learn more about tanks and modern weapons systems on them. The hulls are oddly squat and not very tall so I often wonder how up to 3 cloned mercenaries fit into the hulls and where the engines and other electronics systems fit into the hull.
Also the turrets cuppola's are oddly small and not particularly forward on the hull or centralised.......instead they are position at the back. I don't quite know why this is but I assume the cuppola is so small because no crew inhabit that space.
"This is the Usumgal boy, the exalted dragon, wreathed in the fires of heaven. He is a true symbol of God's majesty."
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Derpty Derp
Dead Man's Game
687
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Posted - 2015.01.29 02:00:00 -
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Edau Skir2 wrote:So tonight in MinFW I was roaming around in a State Gunnlogi, with;
20gj Railgun X2
80gj Railgun
Militia Heavy Shield Booster
Militia Heavy Shield Extender X2
Militia Powered Upgrade
Militia Railgun Ammo Expansion Unit
and not a single AV'er could scratch it. Even after being hit by three swarms, I'd just activate the Booster and back to full health. Only thing that could kill me was another tank.
So in summary, I do believe that something has to be adjusted to balance out the AV-Vehicle situation. If a swarm and forge can't scratch a tank with militia modules, something's wrong.
Did you just 'roam' or did you actually do something useful in the match... I find if you actually go where you can be useful to the team, staying alive becomes more difficult.
Where did the forger come into it? I'm pretty sure if I were forging you, you'd die in that militia gear.
Should 2 AV = instant death for a vehicle, when you can only have 5 vehicles, vs 16 AV (obviously no one would go a full 16 man AV squad and still win a match, but you can easily have 2 or 3 more AV than vehicles and switch back to light weapons when the infantry arrives.)
Chimichanga66605 wrote:Flux Orbitals anyone? Am I the only one who uses those 300 WP against shield tanks before I attack?
You must be, when I tank I find they go with the expensive 'fireworks display' and I drive off with plenty of shields left.
CCP Rattati wrote:Gunnlogis are pretty OP, and Maddies UP. Take a look at the HAV thread in Feedback for rebalancing efforts.
Nice to see you finally changed your mind about that... I recall you suggesting the Maddi was better than the Gunni because hp maths. Kept going on about nerfing the thing into the ground, lol. |
Edau Skir2
Nefantar Raiders
341
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Posted - 2015.01.29 02:11:00 -
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Derpty Derp wrote:Edau Skir2 wrote:So tonight in MinFW I was roaming around in a State Gunnlogi, with;
20gj Railgun X2
80gj Railgun
Militia Heavy Shield Booster
Militia Heavy Shield Extender X2
Militia Powered Upgrade
Militia Railgun Ammo Expansion Unit
and not a single AV'er could scratch it. Even after being hit by three swarms, I'd just activate the Booster and back to full health. Only thing that could kill me was another tank.
So in summary, I do believe that something has to be adjusted to balance out the AV-Vehicle situation. If a swarm and forge can't scratch a tank with militia modules, something's wrong. Did you just 'roam' or did you actually do something useful in the match... I find if you actually go where you can be useful to the team, staying alive becomes more difficult. Where did the forger come into it? I'm pretty sure if I were forging you, you'd die in that militia gear. Should 2 AV = instant death for a vehicle, when you can only have 5 vehicles, vs 16 AV (obviously no one would go a full 16 man AV squad and still win a match, but you can easily have 2 or 3 more AV than vehicles and switch back to light weapons when the infantry arrives.) Chimichanga66605 wrote:Flux Orbitals anyone? Am I the only one who uses those 300 WP against shield tanks before I attack? You must be, when I tank I find they go with the expensive 'fireworks display' and I drive off with plenty of shields left. CCP Rattati wrote:Gunnlogis are pretty OP, and Maddies UP. Take a look at the HAV thread in Feedback for rebalancing efforts. Nice to see you finally changed your mind about that... I recall you suggesting the Maddi was better than the Gunni because hp maths. Kept going on about nerfing the thing into the ground, lol.
I never just "roam". Always at the objectives trying to secure them for our side, and in this case, kill other vehicles and any infantry inbetween.
As for the forger, they do what, 1500-2100 at proto level? In the time it would take you to kill me with a forge, (4 hits with proto assault forge, or 4 hits with a Breach forge), I'd of tailed it out of there and come back at full health. 12s (Quickest forge charge time for Assault) is easily enough time to find cover and regen, even with the 25% reduction. (So, 9s)
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Vesta Opalus
T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2015.01.29 02:12:00 -
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LUGMOS wrote:God dammit. We all know shield HAVs are way outperforming.
Try the Madrugar with militia modules and see for yourself. Don't make AV UP, make shield HAVs OP...
Its pretty trivial to keep a rep tank alive with even rudimentary exploitation of terrain/cover, though I grant that they are much more vulnerable to AV than gunnlogis are, and agree completely that gunnlogis are just bullshit overpowered currently.
AV is not designed to kill vehicles in this game, its designed to make them back off or run away. |
Vesta Opalus
T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2015.01.29 02:13:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:Gunnlogis are pretty OP, and Maddies UP. Take a look at the HAV thread in Feedback for rebalancing efforts.
They are underpowered compared to gunnlogis, not compared to AV (or do you have some data thats completely counter to my experience in the game?) |
LUGMOS
Quafe Premium
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Posted - 2015.01.29 02:16:00 -
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Vesta Opalus wrote:
AV is not designed to kill vehicles in this game, its designed to make them back off or run away.
In that sense, AV is in a good place now then, right? Barring the Gunlogi of course.
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CCP Rattati
C C P
C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2015.01.29 02:28:00 -
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Derpty Derp wrote:
Nice to see you finally changed your mind about that... I recall you suggesting the Maddi was better than the Gunni because hp maths. Kept going on about nerfing the thing into the ground, lol.
Triple rep maddies were, so they were nerfed
"As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"
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Juno Tristan
Obscure Reference
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Posted - 2015.01.29 02:41:00 -
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Edau Skir2 wrote:So tonight in MinFW I was roaming around in a State Gunnlogi, with;
20gj Railgun X2
80gj Railgun
Militia Heavy Shield Booster
Militia Heavy Shield Extender X2
Militia Powered Upgrade
Militia Railgun Ammo Expansion Unit
and not a single AV'er could scratch it. Even after being hit by three swarms, I'd just activate the Booster and back to full health. Only thing that could kill me was another tank.
So in summary, I do believe that something has to be adjusted to balance out the AV-Vehicle situation. If a swarm and forge can't scratch a tank with militia modules, something's wrong.
What did you do in the match? How much wp?
Did they try and ambush you? Use fluxes?
ADS Ramming Revenge!!
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Edau Skir2
Nefantar Raiders
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Posted - 2015.01.29 02:55:00 -
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Juno Tristan wrote:Edau Skir2 wrote:So tonight in MinFW I was roaming around in a State Gunnlogi, with;
20gj Railgun X2
80gj Railgun
Militia Heavy Shield Booster
Militia Heavy Shield Extender X2
Militia Powered Upgrade
Militia Railgun Ammo Expansion Unit
and not a single AV'er could scratch it. Even after being hit by three swarms, I'd just activate the Booster and back to full health. Only thing that could kill me was another tank.
So in summary, I do believe that something has to be adjusted to balance out the AV-Vehicle situation. If a swarm and forge can't scratch a tank with militia modules, something's wrong. What did you do in the match? How much wp? Did they try and ambush you? Use fluxes?
I did a lot. Vehicle, installation, infantry kills, assists, hacks where needed etc etc. And that game? 2200wp or something around that.
They did, that was the two guys using swarm and forge who failed. HOWEVER, in my most recent match, much fun was had! Some guy started suicide-hogging into tanks 
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Juno Tristan
Obscure Reference
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Posted - 2015.01.29 03:12:00 -
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Edau Skir2 wrote:Juno Tristan wrote:Edau Skir2 wrote:So tonight in MinFW I was roaming around in a State Gunnlogi, with;
20gj Railgun X2
80gj Railgun
Militia Heavy Shield Booster
Militia Heavy Shield Extender X2
Militia Powered Upgrade
Militia Railgun Ammo Expansion Unit
and not a single AV'er could scratch it. Even after being hit by three swarms, I'd just activate the Booster and back to full health. Only thing that could kill me was another tank.
So in summary, I do believe that something has to be adjusted to balance out the AV-Vehicle situation. If a swarm and forge can't scratch a tank with militia modules, something's wrong. What did you do in the match? How much wp? Did they try and ambush you? Use fluxes? I did a lot. Vehicle, installation, infantry kills, assists, hacks where needed etc etc. And that game? 2200wp or something around that. They did, that was the two guys using swarm and forge who failed. HOWEVER, in my most recent match, much fun was had! Some guy started suicide-hogging into tanks
Then I would suggest they were also using low level gear
ADS Ramming Revenge!!
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Bethhy
Ancient Exiles.
3289
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Posted - 2015.01.29 03:50:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:Gunnlogis are pretty OP, and Maddies UP. Take a look at the HAV thread in Feedback for rebalancing efforts.
Shield and armor parity across DUST has always been in an interesting state... Probably exacerbated by the lack of full racial parity and the struggle to get there.
Probably one of the harder eternal struggles CCP as a whole has had to fight since starting the New Eden galaxy. |
Spkr4theDead
Red Star.
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Posted - 2015.01.29 03:56:00 -
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Edau Skir2 wrote:So tonight in MinFW I was roaming around in a State Gunnlogi, with;
20gj Railgun X2
80gj Railgun
Militia Heavy Shield Booster
Militia Heavy Shield Extender X2
Militia Powered Upgrade
Militia Railgun Ammo Expansion Unit
and not a single AV'er could scratch it. Even after being hit by three swarms, I'd just activate the Booster and back to full health. Only thing that could kill me was another tank.
So in summary, I do believe that something has to be adjusted to balance out the AV-Vehicle situation. If a swarm and forge can't scratch a tank with militia modules, something's wrong.
If I can't shrug that off, you certainly can't.
Nope. Confirming that pilot input is not, and never was, valued. - Breakin Stuff
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Thumb Green
Raymond James Corp
2025
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Posted - 2015.01.29 04:09:00 -
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Songs of Seraphim wrote:Ishukone Assault Forge Gun.
Best for AV.
OR the breach forge variant if you can shoot the weak spot of the tank.
Wyrikomi Swarms aren't supposed to kill a tank (not with 1 clip anyway) merely deter it. Unless it's two or more swarms.
And as a new ADS pilot (in-training) I understand as such.
Forges should kill me.
And swarms too, if I'm not careful.
Though, I deem it is a bit unfair when 1 clip of a swarm launcher can kill me in an ADS.
But hey, you adapt.
Fck that noise. Why do some people constantly insist that AV should be the only weapons in the game that requires 1 clip or more to kill what it was designed to kill? Also this "swarms shouldn't be able to kill a tank unless its a group" bullsh!t is just that. Why shouldn't it do what it is designed to do?
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