If you don't like what I have to say, then just block me on here, problem solved. You're essentially covering your ears and saying "la la la I can't hear you."

You are nitpicking at posts from page two while the discussion has moved to page eighteen. This is no longer relevant or meaningful discussion, I will not engage in non-discussions with you thus all I have to say is go away. I have provided adequate support for my position, I see tanks play peekaboo from the redline with proto rail turrets on a daily basis as does practically everyone else who actually plays this game, stomping your feet and denying a fact doesn't make it not a fact.

Let me repeat: I will not engage in non-discussion with you, I do not engage with people who deny things that are facts, I will not speak with you as long as you continue to be immature and non-constructive. Here's a handy guide for you

what is your feeling on blaster ROF, not DPS, just feeling.

do you generally like the

dum dum dum dum dum (current)

or you prefer

dum...dum...dum...dum more like an APC turret from other fpss

or dum.....dum......dum like a tank from other fpss



;) vote now

I still don't want them to be anywhere close to a rail, there is a sweet spot there, i think


also missiles, i feel the rof is way too high right now

My honest opinion on the large blaster: just make it more geared towards fighting infantry compared to the other large turrets.

You might think that lowering its ROF will make it weaker against infantry, but I feel that that won't give you the desired effect. Lowering its ROF means increasing its damage. Now you get a large blaster that can one-shot most infantry while still maintaining a decent ROF (actually, the perfect balance between ROF and direct damage: not too much direct damage like the large railgun where you're dealing too much damage and are losing ROF, but just enough direct damage to one-shot most infantry and boasting a higher ROF). You will forever see balance issues with the current design of the large blaster.

Instead, just give it slightly lower DPS than the rest of the large turrets and remove its dispersion. Now it's a precision weapon which infantry should fear in the hands of a skilled pilot, but its lower DPS will put it at a natural disadvantage against other HAVs with a large missile or railgun.

If you really want a Gallente AV large turret, then all I can say is, you'll have to come up with a new design. Others have already talked about this and have been giving good feedback on. Probably the best one I like is a plasma cannon-like large turret. Low ROF like a railgun, but higher direct damage due to it having a limited effective range and a slower projectile travel time. There's your Gallente AV large turret. Keep the current large blaster as geared more towards anti-infantry.

APC Turret, yo. Just -FEELS- powerful.

dum...dum...dum...dum more like an APC turret from other fpss

Would make them have higher damage per shot and lower RoF which is what AV turrets should be like which would also help with stopping shield regen and be generally easier to balance as AV.

With ratattis sheet thats between 2.5 to 5 seconds to fire a full clip, then another 12 seconds to reload. Kiss that missile tank good bye. Thats at 30 to 40 seconds to get off the 24 shots we have now in 12.8 seconds.


Besides this , I had another look at the spread sheet. If these were the numbers finalized for today:

Rails will be able to do 8,480 damage (+1,696) before overheat, 12 round clips (+3), and 108 (+45) ammo total.

Missiles wil be reduced to 5,400 (- 1074) damage before emptying the clip 10 (-2) round clips, 90 (-54) ammo total.

Blasters will 5760 damage, 5,700 (- 792) damage before overheat, 75 (-130) round clips, 675 (-145)ammo total.


I don't know how the future hull bonuses / SP sinks will affect the future meta. It looks like 10 skill books minimum are being b planned just for hulls( MBT, SHAV, 2 Faction SHAV, UHAV, DHAV, 2 Faction UHAV, 2 Faction DHAV). Everything may pan out, but i don't know all the details. That being said

Current meta:

This would certainly be the end of any tank that wasn't a rail. 20,352 damage per clip planned for rail tanks, massive ammo capacity mean the redline rails dont have to budge from their sniper nest the entire match. I can destroy installations without having to reload and still have enough ammo in the single clip to kill a tank.

Blaster are a good second place choice. Nerfed pretty hard as well, but heat managment is the easiest on a blaster tank, so dumping a lot of damage is still possible. Considering every massive advantage the rail would have, up close you might have a shot. One vs one i certainly would pick it over the missiles. More damage, short cool down (you'll over heat cool down and start firing before a missile tank reloads) a shield blaster would tear a missile tank to shreds.

Missile tanks, it was sweet knowing you but this is a nerf straight into the ground. Future meta or no, a proto missile tank simply wont do enough damage before either the rail or a blaster finishes it off. Its outclassed as AV rails and infantry AV by miles. Since its no good at being in the redline, mid range + long reloads + low damage, and soon to be low ROF there is very little incentive to use it at all anymore. Outclassed at every level.

Its useless to play the tanker card. From my experience however, rails are being buffed far too much, missiles being nerfed far too much, and blasters look to be nerfed to shreds vs rails but should slaughter missiles tanks with ease.

Missiles are being nerfed while armor is buffed at the same time? This none sense sounds familiar.
Should leave turrets alone until AFTER the hull changes

what is your feeling on blaster ROF, not DPS, just feeling.

do you generally like the

dum dum dum dum dum (current)

or you prefer

dum...dum...dum...dum more like an APC turret from other fpss

or dum.....dum......dum like a tank from other fpss



;) vote now

I still don't want them to be anywhere close to a rail, there is a sweet spot there, i think


also missiles, i feel the rof is way too high right now

what is your feeling on blaster ROF, not DPS, just feeling.

do you generally like the

dum dum dum dum dum (current)

or you prefer

dum...dum...dum...dum more like an APC turret from other fpss

or dum.....dum......dum like a tank from other fpss



;) vote now

I still don't want them to be anywhere close to a rail, there is a sweet spot there, i think


also missiles, i feel the rof is way too high right now

If shields can't regen witha hardener vs a blaster then armor will always win...

I think moving to a lower fire rate for the Blaster is a good step, as I think they perform too much like an Autocannon right now.

Agreed

How is armor being buffed? I didn't see any posts, it used to need the hardener reduction% buffed, but if shield regen is going to be nerfed then there is no reason to buff armor hardeners.

I am seriously interested in what level your blasters are Pokey.

Dunno if you've been tanking recently, but armor is in a really sad place right now. One hardener just doesn't do near enough attenuation. Its only use is on a dropship, where you have a better chance of escaping swarms. There's no reason for shield to be nerfed. Vehicles have been nerfed enough times to last a lifetime. Armor needs to be at the level shields are at, not bringing shields down to the level armor is at. If that were to be the case, then there'd be no reason to use vehicles at all, and the few pilots that are left would either leave, or go 100% infantry, which is what infantry seems to want anyway. Dunno why they can't find a different game to ruin.

You should ask him the last time he's played. (I checked)

what is your feeling on blaster ROF, not DPS, just feeling.

do you generally like the

dum dum dum dum dum (current)

or you prefer

dum...dum...dum...dum more like an APC turret from other fpss

or dum.....dum......dum like a tank from other fpss



;) vote now

I still don't want them to be anywhere close to a rail, there is a sweet spot there, i think


also missiles, i feel the rof is way too high right now

Out of curiosity, when would that have been.

If a tanked out gallente heavy shot a gek assault rifle at a tanked out gallente scout of equal skill with a duvolle assault rifle, on paper the heavy suit would win every time. ON PAPER. So explain why anyone would run anything other than a tanked out heavy suit with a gek. This is the problem with being a spreadsheet wizard that doesn't play the game. Scouts don't fight heavies toe to toe standing still.

I am seriously interested in what level your blasters are Pokey.

If you are focusing on tank rebalance, I would suggest sticking to large turrets, once you touch small turrets your are greatly effecting dropships. I do not believe small turrets are currently a big factor in tanking.

I assume by your description that you are reintroducing Small Fragmented for the purpose of dropships to use with larger splash radius but reduced alpha damage. If the current small missile is to become AV what does the railgun become? as stated in the past, railguns were AV, small was hybrid and blaster was infantry. Right now, the most viable turret that most every dropship will be a missile due to range, damage and tracking. Gunners simple have a hard time hitting someone and have a short time to get a kill, thus missile. Dropships can not stay put long enough in most games for blasters and rails to work effectively.

Just looking at my games over the past week, gunners ranged from 4-10 kills with either an adv or proto missile in a standard defensive built dropship. Please use caution if you touch small turrets.

Yeah apparently shield regen is getting nerfed thanks to the spreadsheet wizards thinking a 4 second wait isn't long enough to wait before 168 shields start regenerating while armor immediately regen up to 300+ hps. I'm all for buffing armor hardeners to a more respectable level, but they decided to nerf shields instead.

Your argument over the triple rep madrugar without actually naming it is amusing.

Triple/quad repping an armor tank anywhere near a forge gun is suicide. It's only survivable versus swarms.

It was good before 1.8.