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Godin Thekiller wrote:

Devadander wrote:

Pokey Dravon wrote:

Devadander wrote:

Most of the people here screaming for blaster changes I never see actually using blasters. Lowering RoF will make them trash.

Speed it up, or leave it alone.

I would argue its a matter of, do you want it accurate with a lower fire rate? Or higher fire rate with current dispersion? I think both options have merit. The first requiring you to time your shots so they can hit a smaller moving target, and the latter being rolling the dice to hope the RNG puts the shots where they need to go. Are you trying to criticize me for wanting the turret to be more reliant on skill than luck?

Also note that I've never seen you use a blaster either, but I understand that such anecdotal evidence means practically nothing, so I don't make baseless accusations because of it.

Sorry if you felt like you were being called out. Must be a chip on your shoulder.
I know Godin was one of few tankers on my level back in the old days, but pretty sure he was rail. I've seen spkr in a tank a lot but never blaster, mostly rails, sometimes missiles. I see breakin stuff breakin stuff a lot, but that's on foot lol.
(but he also admits he is pure foot action)

I've used all turrets since day 1, mostly blaster.


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Devadander Woodgrain Atari 198	Posted - 2015.01.31 00:11:00 - [1] - Quote One of the main problems of small turrets is the hardener. When hardener is active it obscures the crosshair for small gunners. And if the hardener is on I probably need my small gunners the most at that moment. "Lets group up and push an objective" ~ No blueberry ever 07-28-12 ~Deal with it~
Devadander Woodgrain Atari 199	Posted - 2015.02.03 00:32:00 - [2] - Quote I've stayed quiet for too long. Here's the deal folks. I have full V everything blaster, and can watch a SICA go hardened, and watch the damage stop. I got the pure cold drop on a gunni only to have it harden, start regen, and turbo off into the redline sunset. Yes. I have killed fledgling tankers in their badly fit MLT tanks with ease. ... With ions and a blaster dmg mod. Our range sucks. Our dispersion sucks. Our DPS is a joke. And that's versus VEHICLES. First I must say, Ratti-man, I love you. Idk how one dude can make the difference you have, but keep it up. Now the taboo. A solo-fit rail is 90% of the time far far away from viable AV threats. A solo -fit missile can suppress AV. A solo-fit blaster is, well, yeah Tommy. The AV players know, that on foot, versus blaster, they have a 7-9% chance of dying. They just run straight at you dripping saliva and disgorging all manner of AV. (I do it... can confirm) Of course the AV players will bellow "oh GG man, you just can't aim" cough When blasters worked, if you rushed me in an AV suit, I would pop your grape. ( I still hear that loverly sound with my ARR so it's all good) The Rattati-man himself has spoken and declared blasters AV, and I respect that. But they are now in a place that even with skill, it can make you respec. The blaster was the tank that kept foot AV off the rangers, and turned the tide in a blitz with multiple tanks. Simple as that. My feels was to drive through the smoldering hull of my enemy after I ran him through. Now I feel like this: http://youtu.be/Zy7OdvPvFyU The hare, obviously. Maybe a 7-10m radius that has very low dispersion? Maybe raise large turret a tiny hair and give us lower aim? Reduce dispersion, but give an AI dmg penalty? Idk if that would be a coding nightmare or not. If "be suppressed" is always the only option, I will just stop tanking for good. TL;DR - Blasters have been nerfed to a state where foot AV can just have their way with you. Nolo contendere. We have to be close to fight. Can we fix this without breaking balance? p.s. I pulse my blasters in 3-5 round braps to avoid dispersion and heat and can still barely get shots on a tank rusher. Try hitting a scout that's sprinting, jumping, tossing grenades, and remotes, and plasma, with a gun that does shoot where you aim it... lol oh wait "Lets group up and push an objective" ~ No blueberry ever 07-28-12 ~Deal with it~
Devadander Woodgrain Atari 206	Posted - 2015.02.05 21:55:00 - [3] - Quote I liked my RoF low slot mudules with a coolant mod Dakkadakkadakkadakkadakkadakka Edit: mudules... lol "Lets group up and push an objective" ~ No blueberry ever 07-28-12 ~Deal with it~
Devadander Woodgrain Atari 213	Posted - 2015.02.06 00:27:00 - [4] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: what is your feeling on blaster ROF, not DPS, just feeling. do you generally like the dum dum dum dum dum (current) or you prefer dum...dum...dum...dum more like an APC turret from other fpss or dum.....dum......dum like a tank from other fpss ;) vote now I still don't want them to be anywhere close to a rail, there is a sweet spot there, i think also missiles, i feel the rof is way too high right now I think moving to a lower fire rate for the Blaster is a good step, as I think they perform too much like an Autocannon right now. I am seriously interested in what level your blasters are Pokey. "Lets group up and push an objective" ~ No blueberry ever 07-28-12 ~Deal with it~
Devadander Woodgrain Atari 226	Posted - 2015.02.07 18:25:00 - [5] - Quote Most of the people here screaming for blaster changes I never see actually using blasters. Lowering RoF will make them trash. Speed it up, or leave it alone. "Lets group up and push an objective" ~ No blueberry ever 07-28-12 ~Deal with it~
Devadander Woodgrain Atari 226	Posted - 2015.02.07 18:27:00 - [6] - Quote Tesfa Alem wrote: @ Sorry to double post, but i also noticed that you have current small rails listed as 12 shots to overheat. Its only 12 shots to over heat on a double pilot stacked Rail incubus. On a Tank its 7 - 8 shots to over heat. Will log in to double check. I'm used to firing 5 round bursts from my Inc when i use the small rail. It certainly isn't 12 shots base. Seventh shot will overheat. Have to single shot-3 round burst to manage heat as it is. "Lets group up and push an objective" ~ No blueberry ever 07-28-12 ~Deal with it~
Devadander Woodgrain Atari 226	Posted - 2015.02.08 04:00:00 - [7] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: Devadander wrote: Most of the people here screaming for blaster changes I never see actually using blasters. Lowering RoF will make them trash. Speed it up, or leave it alone. I would argue its a matter of, do you want it accurate with a lower fire rate? Or higher fire rate with current dispersion? I think both options have merit. The first requiring you to time your shots so they can hit a smaller moving target, and the latter being rolling the dice to hope the RNG puts the shots where they need to go. Are you trying to criticize me for wanting the turret to be more reliant on skill than luck? Also note that I've never seen you use a blaster either, but I understand that such anecdotal evidence means practically nothing, so I don't make baseless accusations because of it. Sorry if you felt like you were being called out. Must be a chip on your shoulder. I know Godin was one of few tankers on my level back in the old days, but pretty sure he was rail. I've seen spkr in a tank a lot but never blaster, mostly rails, sometimes missiles. I see breakin stuff breakin stuff a lot, but that's on foot lol. (but he also admits he is pure foot action) I'm a blaster tanker. Ask around. I prefer leave it alone more than speed up or slow down. It's already luck, even with skill, to kill ANYTHING with a blaster these days (besides a rail installation... and they still don't shoot back btw CCP) If we slow it down it needs a damage buff, and lower decay. Speed it up would need lower initial dispersion with rapid decay, much like the smalls. Either one the range is not HAV vs HAV competitive. The autocannon we are leaning towards would have better range than a blaster anyway. Yes? Try running from a rail tank, then a missile tank, then a blaster tank, and you will see what I mean. TL;DR I didn't accuse you personally. If you included yourself, it was a guilt thing. Nobody is afraid of a blaster tank anymore. Not pilots, not infantry. Slowing RoF won't help that situation unless it gets more damage, more range, and less dispersion. "Lets group up and push an objective" ~ No blueberry ever 07-28-12 ~Deal with it~
Devadander Woodgrain Atari 231	Posted - 2015.02.09 23:07:00 - [8] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: Devadander wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: Devadander wrote: Most of the people here screaming for blaster changes I never see actually using blasters. Lowering RoF will make them trash. Speed it up, or leave it alone. I would argue its a matter of, do you want it accurate with a lower fire rate? Or higher fire rate with current dispersion? I think both options have merit. The first requiring you to time your shots so they can hit a smaller moving target, and the latter being rolling the dice to hope the RNG puts the shots where they need to go. Are you trying to criticize me for wanting the turret to be more reliant on skill than luck? Also note that I've never seen you use a blaster either, but I understand that such anecdotal evidence means practically nothing, so I don't make baseless accusations because of it. Sorry if you felt like you were being called out. Must be a chip on your shoulder. I know Godin was one of few tankers on my level back in the old days, but pretty sure he was rail. I've seen spkr in a tank a lot but never blaster, mostly rails, sometimes missiles. I see breakin stuff breakin stuff a lot, but that's on foot lol. (but he also admits he is pure foot action) I've used all turrets since day 1, mostly blaster. Been a long time since GWA man, sorry for hazy memories. I do remember you being a bada$$ though so there's that "Lets group up and push an objective" ~ No blueberry ever 07-28-12 ~Deal with it~