For reference can we get a maximum heat capacity for large rails / blasters?

First impression: Holy crap proposed rails do a lot of damage, I think they might drastically edge out other weapons based on that alone (3 railgun rounds >>> full missile volley). Is it possible to slow missile RoF and adjust damage so they're less of an instant-gank deathweapon and more of a 'bring these out when you want to ruin installations or a target that's sitting still'. I'm not great with how certain numbers would affect balance, but jumping missiles from 1.5 seconds (proposed) for full volley to 2.4 maybe?

I don't want rails to be useless, but with the proposed stats on them they still have the lethal combination of damage and range that promotes red-line tank sniping.

^one adv damage mod and catching someone between cycles or shooting at any armor tank.

This has crossed my mind alot. It becomes a sort of house of cards. The current Missile meta vs Armor tanks is because of a lack of defense vs Missiles.

Armor tanks need a hardener tough enough to stand a chance vs Missiles, yet not so tough as to completely negate swarms. Knock on effects might make my incubus very difficult to take down, for mathematical reasons rather than pilot skill.

Missiles vs shields are UP at the moment and reducing the clip only adds to that.

I'd guess i'd would to see how a new armor hardener works and the new eHP of armor tanks before tweaks to the missile. the current stats seem okay for today's meta, but i can only speculateabout the future tank meta.

On paper, though a 12 second reload vs a new and improved blaster turret, coupled with a signifcant DPS reduction, as well as an armor hardner buff leaves me a bit worried for my missiles.

That is part of the problem that people are attempting to address, the 'meta' fit where x thing is clearly superior to others. 2x Hardener gunnlogi can pull 10kehp and reduces missile damage to pathetic values.

Missiles vs shields is not the 'meta' so it won't be used, however when an armor tank shows up, missiles eat it alive. Missiles *can* also kill one of those dual hardener tanks so long as they catch it when hardeners are down.

I would say it's one of the fundamental problems of the current HAV design - armor is underpowered and missiles are hilariously OP vs armor, but they suck vs shields.

Hard counters are terrible design. Soft counters are much nicer.

Essentially it goes 'ha stupid idiot, you brought out something that wasn't the meta, hope you like dying!'. It turns it into a contest of stats rather than a contest of skill.

Also, if you run turrets at 2000 DPS and then use a module to allow you to consistently hit infantry I fail to see how this will not cause issues.

This thread is becoming fairly derailed.

The purpose is to balance the Blaster, Missile and Rail, as they are, within the the known constraints. Designing plasmacannon turrets belongs in another thread, and is perfectly fine.

Blaster is Heavy Autocannon, CQC AV with AI capabilities, especially with a new active dispersion mod in high and active heat reduction mod

Rail is long range AV, meant to be not as powerful as it is for allcomers.

Missiles, can use the dispersion mod, I am still mixed whether Missiles should be 2 long bursts, instead of one hold the button.

With ratattis sheet thats between 2.5 to 5 seconds to fire a full clip, then another 12 seconds to reload. Kiss that missile tank good bye. Thats at 30 to 40 seconds to get off the 24 shots we have now in 12.8 seconds.


Besides this , I had another look at the spread sheet. If these were the numbers finalized for today:

Rails will be able to do 8,480 damage (+1,696) before overheat, 12 round clips (+3), and 108 (+45) ammo total.

Missiles wil be reduced to 5,400 (- 1074) damage before emptying the clip 10 (-2) round clips, 90 (-54) ammo total.

Blasters will 5760 damage, 5,700 (- 792) damage before overheat, 75 (-130) round clips, 675 (-145)ammo total.


I don't know how the future hull bonuses / SP sinks will affect the future meta. It looks like 10 skill books minimum are being b planned just for hulls( MBT, SHAV, 2 Faction SHAV, UHAV, DHAV, 2 Faction UHAV, 2 Faction DHAV). Everything may pan out, but i don't know all the details. That being said

Current meta:

This would certainly be the end of any tank that wasn't a rail. 20,352 damage per clip planned for rail tanks, massive ammo capacity mean the redline rails dont have to budge from their sniper nest the entire match. I can destroy installations without having to reload and still have enough ammo in the single clip to kill a tank.

Blaster are a good second place choice. Nerfed pretty hard as well, but heat managment is the easiest on a blaster tank, so dumping a lot of damage is still possible. Considering every massive advantage the rail would have, up close you might have a shot. One vs one i certainly would pick it over the missiles. More damage, short cool down (you'll over heat cool down and start firing before a missile tank reloads) a shield blaster would tear a missile tank to shreds.

Missile tanks, it was sweet knowing you but this is a nerf straight into the ground. Future meta or no, a proto missile tank simply wont do enough damage before either the rail or a blaster finishes it off. Its outclassed as AV rails and infantry AV by miles. Since its no good at being in the redline, mid range + long reloads + low damage, and soon to be low ROF there is very little incentive to use it at all anymore. Outclassed at every level.

Its useless to play the tanker card. From my experience however, rails are being buffed far too much, missiles being nerfed far too much, and blasters look to be nerfed to shreds vs rails but should slaughter missiles tanks with ease.