Tiered progression of "you are not a true Amarr vehicle"

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But this belongs in another thread, who is going to go start it!

so skill into the solo HAV ;)

Hw about dropship like? I've talked it over before with breaking, The ADS's of the game survive only through high manueverability and not taking sustained fire. A DHAV tank with max HP of an incubus, would go down in 3 proto forge shots, or three commando MK0 swarms. Keeping them around 5K ehp max fit would put it on the same level as a soma/sica with no modules.

DHAVs should not want to be near AV infantry, I am talking instapop with a plc, almost LAV like.

DHAVs should not want to be near AV infantry, I am talking instapop with a plc, almost LAV like.

Hw about dropship like? I've talked it over before with breaking, The ADS's of the game survive only through high manueverability and not taking sustained fire. A DHAV tank with max HP of an incubus, would go down in 3 proto forge shots, or three commando MK0 swarms. Keeping them around 5K ehp max fit would put it on the same level as a soma/sica with no modules.

My recommendation for pricing is that DHAVs be around 30% cheaper than a main battle tank at baseline. They need to be poorman HAVs. There is also no reason to have three seats in a suicide sled. The only historical justifications for glass cannons have been "scout tanks" or more commonly expense.

I recommend UHAVs be no more than 30% more expensive than main battle tanks. While I recognize they are going to be hard to kill, pilots should not feel punished for choosing to run an infantry suppression vehicle. Depending how the progression goes and what the bonuses are I would recommend that they be priced similarly to the main battle tanks.

As an infantry player and as potential AV, please create a 3 second timer (similar to the hacking circle) to enter and exit all vehicles.

7) Introduce key active modules, for each race - after studying carefully I believe active heatsinks, active spool ups and active tracking modules would be most tactical and able to provide play counterplay moments

only exit is needed, calling in a vehicle already leaves you vulnerable enough

Phase 1
1) Introduce ADV and PRO HAVs that only progress in PG/CPU, therefore being able to fit higher tiered gear, making fitting optimizations necessary as well. Adding slots to the progression is not an option.

Only the third option on your list wouldn't tremendously punish novice pilots godin. Never mind transport LAVs are often critical to squads for getting into position.

Pilots should havea way to call their stuff. But other players SHOULD NOT be punished for not being pilot primary.

Missile shotgun needs to die.

Regarding the above sentence, will the number of high/low slots stay the same as today?
I understand no additional slots will be available through the progression, but will the "base" number (for all tiers) be altered?

Dear players,

after reading through the 71 pages, and going back to study the dropsuit progression, plus factor in the massive tank OP situation that has arisen in the past, I propose that we introduce a tiericided approach to vehicles that has been proposed with dropsuits before. Dropsuits are different in that their relative powerlevel is much much lower, so that approach may not work there. That's for later.

Read the whole list through, before raging, this is a holistic approach.

Phase 1
1) Introduce ADV and PRO HAVs that only progress in PG/CPU, therefore being able to fit higher tiered gear, making fitting optimizations necessary as well. Adding slots to the progression is not an option.

2) This will be contentious, all HAVs will have prefitted turrets as that is their intent as a Main Battle Tank. They can be replace but not removed (yellow)

3) All PG/CPU calculations will be based on the math of determined PG/CPU per slot, much like was done with Sentinels and Assaults a few months ago. Therefore, the turret PG/CPU will be factored "in" to the HAV capacity.

3a) STD HAV will be ADV/ADV/ADV/STD, ADV HAV will be ADV/ADV/PRO/STD, PRO HAV will be PRO/PRO/PRO/ADV, High/Low/Large Turret/Small Turret.

3b) This fits Dropsuits as they should be very near fitting all proto, if and only if they have full optimizations, but some fittings will nevertheless not be able to reach full Proto

4) New Skill - Dedicated SHAVs (solo HAVs)- unlocking HAVs with no small turrets, exactly the same as HAVs, except their fitting capacity has also been reduced by the amount that the turrets granted in the above calculations.

Skill Unlocks all Dedicated Tank Skills

5) New skills - Faction UHAV (Ultra Heavy Assault Vehicle) - Highly armored, slow, fewer slots, with damage and bonuses to small turrets

6) New skills - Faction DHAV (Destroyer Heavy Assault Vehicle) - Very fast, lightly armored with bonuses to Missiles and Blasters, turret specialization is essential here, no small turrets.

7) Introduce key active modules, for each race - after studying carefully I believe active heatsinks, active spool ups and active tracking modules would be most tactical and able to provide play counterplay moments

8) Add Anti Infantry Missile Launchers (fragmented)

Phase 2)
Rebalance as needed and introduce "repurposed hulls", same progression but using Gallente Hulls and highly recognizable color schemes to represent Amarr, Caldari for Minmatar.

Phase 3)
More Modules and weapons

I hope to see real discussions about this proposa, please keep lore out of it for now, but feel free to start your own naming threads, I will sticky the best one, we need 2 new names for Caldari and Gallente ADV and PRO HAvs plus all the Amarr/Minmatar names.

See updated on the fly document here: HAV Master Spreadsheet

That would be ******* silly if they did. I don't remember a single person saying that they staying the same is a good idea.

I don't really like Marauders being a infantry killing/suppression platform, but more of a defensive platform. Enforcers are the opposite of Marauders, being the offensive platform. BO HAV's seems like thebetter option to have a more infantry platform, it being fast and moderately tanked, but it has a weaker medium turret. It's made to be a real infantry suppression tool, but against a HAV with a large turret, it won't do much of anything.

Ok did I see that your using stand in models for Amarr and Minmatar vehicles?

Edit: True will be happy

Prefitted tanks: As long as we can switch out the prefitted turrets to turrets of our own choice to play with the fit. Also, nothing to stop me from fitting basic small turrets on a proto tank and having the extra PG and CPU to beat up on a solo tank.

I can wait on the Amarr and Minmatar vehicles for a while, I just want the Gunnlogi and Madrugar to be worth it for now.

Solo HAVs should not be as powerful as MBTs though. More players should have that force multiplier effect.

You can always override the turrets with different small turrets, you just can't remove the base turret from the fitting.

DHAVS won't have small turrets, they are essentially a rapid redeployment AV cannon.