I see no reason why there shouldn't be viable active and passive fits, and any fits inbetween, for both shield and armor.

Otherwise what's your opinion on what I had to say about passive shield recharge and making it low to start off with but can be increased through fitting shield modules (and thus only giving the advantage of a faster recharge to those who actually shield tank their vehicle).

I really like your last idea. Modules that affect Cooldown and duration of modules would be great and add variety. +1 for that

Harpyja making passive tanks is supposed to be doable with module investment, thats the point.

He wants a passive fit that's always regenerating, like armor, but for shields. I guess my point is, if you do that, what's the difference between shields and armor anymore?

If there is any change to armor hardeners, which would help balance turrets, and which I am in favor of, the inherect shield reps of gunlogis would be too low, unless there is some module in the works to significantly increase the recharge rate.

Just sayin

While the topic of regen is still floating about, why don't we look to EVE for ideas to implement into Dust?

Generalized summary on shields in EVE:
-Always passively recharging, though at a variable rate which is at a max around 30% shields
-Shield recharge per ship is around a base time to full recharge
---This means that adding extenders increases the hp/s
---Allows for passive fits that rely only on resists and recharge rates while maintaining a large shield buffer
-Active shield tanking draws a higher capacitor usage as opposed to active armor tanking
---Shield boosters and active hardeners are harder to run for a longer period of time than their armor counterparts
-Penalty on extenders is what would equate to an increased hitbox in Dust
-Shield tanked ships generally have less utility (medium slots), but a better ability to fit fitting enhancements and turret upgrades (low slots)
-Caldari ships are the slowest before plates are added to Amarr ships

Armor:
-Can only be repaired actively
-Armor reps and active armor hardeners draw less capacitor than their shield counterparts, allowing them to be run for a much longer time or for an indefinite amount of time
-Armor fits can get a higher armor buffer than comparable shield buffers
---Passive armor tanking uses hardeners and plates to maximize EHP (no reps)
---Theory is that you have more EHP than what you would be able to rep back in an engagement
-Gallente focus more on armor rep, Amarr focuses more on bricking

I'm wondering if it will be worth a try to implement some of these features into Dust. We could base shield recharge on a base time to full recharge (which of course means that extenders will increase the hp/s) and make it constant and uninterruptible. This could equate to somewhere between 30-40 base shield per second on an unfitted Gunnlogi. Considerably worse than what one active armor rep could achieve. For a passively tanked Gunnlogi, your base shield should be roughly doubled with two extenders, increasing your recharge to 60-80 shield/s, and with maybe two recharger modules you should be able to add around 50% more for a final recharge rate of 90-120 shield/s. You might notice that shield recharges provide a smaller boost, though they should be considerably easier to fit.

This seems to address people's concerns that shield gets a natural regen that's simply too high for having to spend zero modules on. The fit I described seems appropriate for what I consider to be a competitive passive fit. Also, fitting your high slots with damage amps and/or other utility modules and armor tanking your Gunnlogi will no longer give you the benefits of a high shield recharge.

Another parallel than can be drawn with EVE is to have armor reps have a longer active duration than shield boosters and to provide more HP at the end of their run. I forget how shield boosters and armor reps compared in terms of hp/s. Armor reps can also have a shorter cooldown to replicate capacitor recovery in EVE due to their smaller cap requirements.

One last thing I'd like to add: new module inspiration from EVE. Capacitor batteries and capacitor recharge relays. In Dust, we can have a module that increases module active duration (larger cap pool) and a module that decreases cooldown time (faster cap recovery). (I know that this is generalized but for Dust it could work). The first is a high slot module and the second is a low slot module. Perfect for making armor reps last for a longer time and reducing the longer cooldown times of the shield booster.

I don't see why people feel the need to depart from the existing shield/armor mechanics we have in Dust. They're so set on making shields recharge constantly, yet armor already works that way. If people want to run passive fits, why are they not just running armor?

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From an EVE perspective, sure, but in Dust its the armor that reps constantly and the shields with a delay. I guess my point is that why do we need to make dropsuits and vehicles different?

While the topic of regen is still floating about, why don't we look to EVE for ideas to implement into Dust?

Generalized summary on shields in EVE:
-Always passively recharging, though at a variable rate which is at a max around 30% shields
-Shield recharge per ship is around a base time to full recharge
---This means that adding extenders increases the hp/s
---Allows for passive fits that rely only on resists and recharge rates while maintaining a large shield buffer
-Active shield tanking draws a higher capacitor usage as opposed to active armor tanking
---Shield boosters and active hardeners are harder to run for a longer period of time than their armor counterparts
-Penalty on extenders is what would equate to an increased hitbox in Dust
-Shield tanked ships generally have less utility (medium slots), but a better ability to fit fitting enhancements and turret upgrades (low slots)
-Caldari ships are the slowest before plates are added to Amarr ships

Armor:
-Can only be repaired actively
-Armor reps and active armor hardeners draw less capacitor than their shield counterparts, allowing them to be run for a much longer time or for an indefinite amount of time
-Armor fits can get a higher armor buffer than comparable shield buffers
---Passive armor tanking uses hardeners and plates to maximize EHP (no reps)
---Theory is that you have more EHP than what you would be able to rep back in an engagement
-Gallente focus more on armor rep, Amarr focuses more on bricking

I'm wondering if it will be worth a try to implement some of these features into Dust. We could base shield recharge on a base time to full recharge (which of course means that extenders will increase the hp/s) and make it constant and uninterruptible. This could equate to somewhere between 30-40 base shield per second on an unfitted Gunnlogi. Considerably worse than what one active armor rep could achieve. For a passively tanked Gunnlogi, your base shield should be roughly doubled with two extenders, increasing your recharge to 60-80 shield/s, and with maybe two recharger modules you should be able to add around 50% more for a final recharge rate of 90-120 shield/s. You might notice that shield recharges provide a smaller boost, though they should be considerably easier to fit.

This seems to address people's concerns that shield gets a natural regen that's simply too high for having to spend zero modules on. The fit I described seems appropriate for what I consider to be a competitive passive fit. Also, fitting your high slots with damage amps and/or other utility modules and armor tanking your Gunnlogi will no longer give you the benefits of a high shield recharge.

Another parallel than can be drawn with EVE is to have armor reps have a longer active duration than shield boosters and to provide more HP at the end of their run. I forget how shield boosters and armor reps compared in terms of hp/s. Armor reps can also have a shorter cooldown to replicate capacitor recovery in EVE due to their smaller cap requirements.

One last thing I'd like to add: new module inspiration from EVE. Capacitor batteries and capacitor recharge relays. In Dust, we can have a module that increases module active duration (larger cap pool) and a module that decreases cooldown time (faster cap recovery). (I know that this is generalized but for Dust it could work). The first is a high slot module and the second is a low slot module. Perfect for making armor reps last for a longer time and reducing the longer cooldown times of the shield booster.

I am Looking forward for future DHAV tankers thinking its going to be them running the battlefield.

Because that worked better for vehicles.

Care to elaborate on why?

Care to elaborate on why?

I'm going to be VERY honest with you, that's going to be impossible to predict until we start shooting at each other.

Always been preferable to the concept of a UHAV just because I was always interested in Warhammer 40K. In particular... The Baneblade. Nothing more interesting that a giant mechanism of war rolling up and laying waste to everything in proximity and forcing that 'We need reinforcements!' aspect of warfare. Suppression and fear sort of deal.

Then again, I've also been heavily interested in stuff like Self-Propelled Artillery and Indirect Bombardment.

Anything that puts the fear into a lot of infantry and makes them want to reconsider what they're doing at the time.

I don't see why people feel the need to depart from the existing shield/armor mechanics we have in Dust. They're so set on making shields recharge constantly, yet armor already works that way. If people want to run passive fits, why are they not just running armor?