I think the ScR is fine. In skilled hands, it is the most lethal of the rifles.

Besides TacARs, which I think are OP, due to them not requiring the "skilled hands" part.

I was hoping CCP would reduce TTK so that damage mods became useful again and battles last longer but there are still some asking for more damage. Maybe give Plasma Cannon a damage bonus against vehicles but thats about it. I played in a match were a dude or dudette was sniping with a plasma cannon, so NO WAY!!

The plasma cannon is not meant to focus on dps. its focus's on alpha strikeing a target. or more simply damage per shot.

the swarms on the other hand focus on mnore damage per second rather than per shot. although it has a high volley damage.

the plasma cannonn is in a perfect place right now.

as is. with profiecency 5 and 3 complex lightn damage mods is more than enough to drop an unhardered/no extra shielded gunnlogi to no shields and leave it vunrable to av grenades.

WHY IN THE **** would anyone want to change a weapon that is perfectly fine and balanced.....is the the plasma cannons problem that it is balanced?

the plasma cannon has no need for increased damge or reload. the plasma cannon does not focus on damage per second. it focus's on damage per shot.

also theres a difference between on paper numbers and actual use.

I find I can kill vehicles quicker with my PLC fit compared to my swarms simply because the PLC dosnt have to wait to lock on. has a nice reload time......and I like to pair it with a LAV (not a wheelchair that applys only to heavy use) and given that majority of vehicles used are caldari. the shield damge bonus makes it even more deadly.

^^ You can see why I thought he was joking at first

And I can see why you are afraid of having two light weapons able to kill you, rather than one.
Its because youre a scrub.

Anyone that thinks the SL should outDPS Plasma Cannons is by the very definition, a scrub.

This is equivocal to thinking shotguns should do less DPS than something like Mass Drivers.
Its ******* stupid, and the only people that would think somethinglike that are the ones who would want to keep a status quo in place.

The arguement

X takes more skill than Y is not a good one when asking for a buff.

Not saying I don't want a powerful rocket like AT gun but this functions exactly like the RPG/SMAW many other games it doesn't need to fire faster or have significantly more damage increases.

I do find it hilarious that a lock on weapon that is really difficult to miss with massively outDPSes a weapon which takes a good deal of skill to aim and is very difficult to use at a quarter of the max range of said lock on weapon.

Like I said. The OHKing would only happen if they shot you in the weak point, and if you don't have any hardeners active. Otherwise, any HAV with decent HP would take two shots to kill.

So pretty much just fit 1 HP mod and 2 hardeners, and you'll be immune to the OHKs as long as you cycle the hardeners, and then Plasma Cannons would then take 3-5 shots to kill you while they are active.
This way, the high skill vehicle playstyle, which is cycling hardeners, would be the direct counter to the high skill AV playstyle which is Plasma Cannons.

''Plasma Cannons should do more DPS than Swarms''

No they shouldnt. Reason is that PC hits infantry too while Swarms dont. This gives PC an innate advatage in usefulness over Swarms.

Of course, i wouldnt mind the PC getting buffed at all, just saying why the above statement is incorrect.

Wouldnt mind getting dumb fire for swarms either.

There's a few problems with your thinking here and most of it is that you think a tank should take two shots to kill. You seem to be very biased towards the AV side of things.

You get to pick up tanks on passive radar from 50m away, you get first mover advantage, its hard to tell where you're being hit from in a vehicle.... and you also think that you should be entitled to kill vehicles in 2 shots if their mods aren't on? We go straight back to pre 1.7 when tanks were coffins... except now they also have the 'added benefit' of being warpoint pi+¦atas for AV.

What are tanks supposed to be able to do back to you? Hmm? They don't have guns that can reliably hit you, or you cry about that, they don't have splash damage on any of their weapons anymore. What is the opposite end of the spectrum?

GÇóA Swarm Luncher outputs 1040-1248 damage every 1.4 seconds without factoring any Damage multipliers, just base damage.
That's a total of 742-891 DPS, depending on tier.

Currently, Plasma Cannons do 1150-1501.5 damage every 4.1 seconds, without factoring in any Damage multipliers.
That's only 280 DPS at the Standard tier, and still only 366.21 DPS at Prototype.
A PRO Plasma Cannon deals less than half the DPS a Standard Swarm Launcher does. That's messed up.
Even if we max out every reload and charge time skill, and increase the damage as much as we can with a Gallente Commando and Damage mods...
We still only get 696.63 DPS. Still less than a Standard Swarm Launcher on any suit. This is rediculous.

So let's increase Plasma Cannons to Swarm levels of DPS. At the base level. Without any modifiers accounted for.

1.) Buff Damage. By a ******* lot. An Allotek Plasma Cannon should outDPS a PRO Swarm launcher, without having to factor in any other multipliers. It just should. Period. At the very least, it should do the same DPS.
With this in mind, an Allotek Plasma Cannon should deal 3653.1 direct damage. That would puts its DPS on par with a Wyrikiomi SL.

So...
Standard PLC: 3042.2 Damage
Advanced PLC: 3347.65 Damage
Allotek PLC: 3653.1 Damage

This would mean that an Plasma Cannon would OHK or 2-shot ANY vehicles.
Any tank would just die if they get shot in the rear, unless they have any hardeners active. Otherwise they would take 2 hits.
ADSes would always instapop. As they should. Hitting those things is still hard.
Standard DSs would be able to take 2 hits if they fit a bit of tank.
LAVs too. Hitting them is the hardest, unless they are parked. They would always be OHK.

And you know what? Thats completely reasonable...

NO... look at the vehicles shields normally have lower ehp than armor. the PC was made for killing shields vehicles. the swarms were made for armor. plus what others people have said PC can shoot at infantry.

#1I seem biased towards AV? No. I'm biased towards Plasma Cannons not being ****. I'm sorry that you think nothing should kill you, much less some mere infantry, but too bad so sad. You should be just a capable of death as any infantry player.

#2TTK for Plasma Cannons would only be slightly shorter than the TTK for swarms, and only at the highest levels.
TTK is what matters, not the amount of shots. If a weapon does 200 damage per shot but fires 240 rounds per minute it would kill just as fast, but take many more hits. So the "2 shots being too quick" argument is ********.

#3First mover advantage. This is true, but just like a scout vs a heavy, the HAV has ample time to react. An HAV would still have a minimum of 2.2 seconds to begin reacting, with pretty much any reaction resulting in survival. Compare that to the 0.6s reaction time I get when a shotgun hits me and this complaint seems goddamned silly.
That's a minimum of 2.2 seconds. Your much more likely to get a full 4-5 seconds of grace in reality.

#4What are tanks supposed to to? Run, or fight, just like literally everyone else in this game, not the "just sit there in one place and farm infantry" playstyle they want.
Hell, as long as they stop just ******* ignoring me because my weapon sucks I'd be happy! They certainly don't seem to ignore swarms if all the QQ posts about them are any indication, so I figure its a good idea to bring Plasma Cannons up to that level.

#5And there are splash weapons for them. Heard of missiles? They make more than decent anti infantry weapons if used correctly.
Blasters aren't the infantry grinders they used to be with their half second TTK and pinpoint accuracy?! Your instablap cannon has dispersion now?! Too ******* bad. They deserved to get nerfed as hard as they did.

Battlefield 3

So...
Standard PLC: 3042.2 Damage
Advanced PLC: 3347.65 Damage
Allotek PLC: 3653.1 Damage

If the plc gets a buff don't go over 250 damage.

It's the only AV weapon that is ACTUALLY fun to use. It also proves that AV is more effective with teamwork rather than solo'ing. I've solo'd tanks with the cannon but not as easily as swarms can solo anything.

In all honesty, if you want to buff the cann: bring swarms down a touch + 100 to 250 buff to the cann.

Now imagine using the allotek with 1751 damage. And dedicated PLC people prof it up.

1751 * [ 1.10 (shield bonus) + prof 5]
2206.26 damage! That's enough! More than enough. Imagine after a BASIC mod or gal commando that's already a crazy amount of damage going down range.

3000 damage * 1.26 = 3780. This is insane amount of damage and it isn't what you proposed. This is far too much damage. Most shield tanks are < 4k shp. 2/3 shot AV should never exist. Ever.

Now for some bizarre reason the cann is 1.26 stronger at prof 5; not 1.25.

Tanks don't run from a cannon so quickly, they stay and fight for a bit. The day 1 shot from the cannon makes vehicles hide in fear like the swarm will be the day I quit dust.

(It's early morning so I'm all over in my points sorry)

In other words, the cannon is the av people respect the most. Don't soil it by allowing it to do 2500+ damage. Don't compare it to swarms because that's dishonoring the plasma cann.

Thanks for reading.