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Do you guys want to know the best part about all this?
Even if the Plasma cannon did that much damage...

A maxed out SL on a Minmando with Damage mods would still outDPS a maxed PLC on a Galmando with Damage mods.

This is the extend of the PLC being UP. Its so ridiculously UP, that even buffing its damage by nearly 200% wouldn't make it as good at AV as a swarm launcher.

I'm dead serious.

Wooton!!!
I don't think it would be an I-win button. The HAV could still very much activate a hardener if the are an Armor tank, and survive up to three shots, even after the initial ambush shot. Depends on their reps, really.
Alternatively, they could activate nitrous and have a good chance at escaping, and any of the HAVs could do this, not just armor ones.

I font really think splash should be touched. Right now, its only capable of killing a lightly tanked scout suit, and that's fine. Any other suits require direct hits, and I'd like that to stay.
I want it to become no more effective at AI than it already is, but still make it an extremely viable AV weapon when used in the right hands.

Not be pissed off because they only getting killed by swarms because swarms are the only viable light AV.

1.)Transportation. That's pretty much the main purpose of a vehicle right there.

Not be pissed off because they only getting killed by swarms because swarms are the only viable light AV.

1.)Transportation. That's pretty much the main purpose of a vehicle right there.

But I'm sure you are talking about only HAVs when you say "vehicles"...
In that case,

1.) Infantry Suppression, when used in conjunction with infantry. Their presence should cause non-AV infantry to generally take cover. They currently do this pretty well.
Note: when I say suppression, I don't mean killing. HAVs should be able to kill infantry, but their role should not be to farm them.

2.) AV. Large Turrets would remain the best AV options, even with the proposed PLC changes. So they would still have this.

3.) Installation destruction. Sorta like AV, but only HAVs have sufficient ammo reserves to make a viable role out of this.

*4.) Destruction of map assets. Not Installations. I'd like to see stuff like, walls, gates, explosive containers and doors added to the game. Stuff that only an HAV could destroy quickly. Stuff that would take multiple hits from AV, but an HAV would be much more suited for.

The extra skill required to use a plasma cannon compared to swarms is enough to justify it being usable against infantry as well.
It should at least have the same DPS.

Who knows?
A plasma cannon turret with more "turret-like" stats than a Plasma Cannon would be a wonderful addition.

And I can see why you are afraid of having two light weapons able to kill you, rather than one.
Its because youre a scrub.

Anyone that thinks the SL should outDPS Plasma Cannons is by the very definition, a scrub.

This is equivocal to thinking shotguns should do less DPS than something like Mass Drivers.
Its ******* stupid, and the only people that would think somethinglike that are the ones who would want to keep a status quo in place.

Like I said. The OHKing would only happen if they shot you in the weak point, and if you don't have any hardeners active. Otherwise, any HAV with decent HP would take two shots to kill.

So pretty much just fit 1 HP mod and 2 hardeners, and you'll be immune to the OHKs as long as you cycle the hardeners, and then Plasma Cannons would then take 3-5 shots to kill you while they are active.
This way, the high skill vehicle playstyle, which is cycling hardeners, would be the direct counter to the high skill AV playstyle which is Plasma Cannons.

GÇóA Swarm Luncher outputs 1040-1248 damage every 1.4 seconds without factoring any Damage multipliers, just base damage.
That's a total of 742-891 DPS, depending on tier.

Currently, Plasma Cannons do 1150-1501.5 damage every 4.1 seconds, without factoring in any Damage multipliers.
That's only 280 DPS at the Standard tier, and still only 366.21 DPS at Prototype.
A PRO Plasma Cannon deals less than half the DPS a Standard Swarm Launcher does. That's messed up.
Even if we max out every reload and charge time skill, and increase the damage as much as we can with a Gallente Commando and Damage mods...
We still only get 696.63 DPS. Still less than a Standard Swarm Launcher on any suit. This is rediculous.

So let's increase Plasma Cannons to Swarm levels of DPS. At the base level. Without any modifiers accounted for.

1.) Buff Damage. By a ******* lot. An Allotek Plasma Cannon should outDPS a PRO Swarm launcher, without having to factor in any other multipliers. It just should. Period. At the very least, it should do the same DPS.
With this in mind, an Allotek Plasma Cannon should deal 3653.1 direct damage. That would puts its DPS on par with a Wyrikiomi SL.

So...
Standard PLC: 3042.2 Damage
Advanced PLC: 3347.65 Damage
Allotek PLC: 3653.1 Damage

This would mean that an Plasma Cannon would OHK or 2-shot ANY vehicles.
Any tank would just die if they get shot in the rear, unless they have any hardeners active. Otherwise they would take 2 hits.
ADSes would always instapop. As they should. Hitting those things is still hard.
Standard DSs would be able to take 2 hits if they fit a bit of tank.
LAVs too. Hitting them is the hardest, unless they are parked. They would always be OHK.

And you know what? Thats completely reasonable...

Since apparently nobody wants to be 2-3 shot by Plasma Cannons, what do you vehicle guys think would be an acceptable amount of shots to take down vehicles?

AV should be a deterrent, not the nuclear, rods from god or asteroid option.

Then vehicles should be merely a deterrant to infantry as well. Unable to actually kill any infantry without planning and teamwork. It should take at least 2 HAVs or ADSs to kill me. Anything less should just slightly damage me and cause me to run away for a few seconds before coming back.

Remember, every shot takes about 3.5-4 seconds, after the first, which takes about half a second.

For which weapon are you talking about? At level 5, swarms take 1.05 seconds to lock on. Assault forge charges in about 2.5 seconds, I don't know what the plasma charges at at level 5, I've never had it to 5. Breach is about 5.3 seconds or so.

I'm talking about Plasma Cannons, obviously. Hence the name of the thread and the majority of its content topic.

The weapon should not be balanced around Galmandos, because then the weapon would only be useful on Galmandos. It needs to be balanced for every suit, with the Galmando being the best at it.

Then all infantry weapons should be balanced around their suit, because I laugh seeing a Gal assault using a rail rifle.

Did you not read what I said. I said weapons should not be balanced around a specific suit. They should be usable on any suit, with some suits gaining bonuses to certain weapons or weapon types.

Still too long.

Of course you think it's too long. Maybe we should just remove vehicles altogether, since you want them all to be so weak. Maybe we should give the Madrugar 2000 HP total, 1500 armor and 500 shield.

If you don't think 8-11 second isnt too long... for a Maxed out Plasma Cannon against a Militia HAV... then you are just further proving that you want the 1.7 murderwagons back. You want infantry to be unable to harm you while you farm infantry, and that doesn't make for good interplay. If you want to be able to kill, you need to accept that you can be killed just as easily. That's simple FPS balance.