GÇóA Swarm Luncher outputs 1040-1248 damage every 1.4 seconds without factoring any Damage multipliers, just base damage.
That's a total of 742-891 DPS, depending on tier.

Currently, Plasma Cannons do 1150-1501.5 damage every 4.1 seconds, without factoring in any Damage multipliers.
That's only 280 DPS at the Standard tier, and still only 366.21 DPS at Prototype.
A PRO Plasma Cannon deals less than half the DPS a Standard Swarm Launcher does. That's messed up.
Even if we max out every reload and charge time skill, and increase the damage as much as we can with a Gallente Commando and Damage mods...
We still only get 696.63 DPS. Still less than a Standard Swarm Launcher on any suit. This is rediculous.

So let's increase Plasma Cannons to Swarm levels of DPS. At the base level. Without any modifiers accounted for.

1.) Buff Damage. By a ******* lot. An Allotek Plasma Cannon should outDPS a PRO Swarm launcher, without having to factor in any other multipliers. It just should. Period. At the very least, it should do the same DPS.
With this in mind, an Allotek Plasma Cannon should deal 3653.1 direct damage. That would puts its DPS on par with a Kaalakiota SL.

So...
Standard PLC: 3042.2 Damage
Advanced PLC: 3347.65 Damage
Allotek PLC: 3653.1 Damage

This would mean that an Plasma Cannon would OHK or 2-shot ANY vehicles.
Any tank would just die if they get shot in the rear, unless they have any hardeners active. Otherwise they would take 2 hits.
ADSes would always instapop. As they should. Hitting those things is still hard.
Standard DSs would be able to take 2 hits if they fit a bit of tank.
LAVs too. Hitting them is the hardest, unless they are parked. They would always be OHK.

And you know what? Thats completely reasonable...

Might be overpowered but I agree the plasma cannon is **** as AV and am willing to try a buff like this to try and bring it into a useful state (as long as we keep the splash damage roughly the same against infantry)

I do find it hilarious that a lock on weapon that is really difficult to miss with massively outDPSes a weapon which takes a good deal of skill to aim and is very difficult to use at a quarter of the max range of said lock on weapon.

I want 3 shots per clip like the swarm. Officer can do 4.

''Plasma Cannons should do more DPS than Swarms''

No they shouldnt. Reason is that PC hits infantry too while Swarms dont. This gives PC an innate advatage in usefulness over Swarms.

Of course, i wouldnt mind the PC getting buffed at all, just saying why the above statement is incorrect.

Wouldnt mind getting dumb fire for swarms either.

The Plasma Cannon Charge time is 0.45 Seconds and 2.2 seconds on the reload...... on a Commando. You should be throwing out PLC rounds every 2.65 seconds if I am not mistaken.

''Plasma Cannons should do more DPS than Swarms''

No they shouldnt. Reason is that PC hits infantry too while Swarms dont. This gives PC an innate advatage in usefulness over Swarms.

Of course, i wouldnt mind the PC getting buffed at all, just saying why the above statement is incorrect.

Wouldnt mind getting dumb fire for swarms either.

The Plasma Cannon Charge time is 0.45 Seconds and 2.2 seconds on the reload...... on a Commando. You should be throwing out PLC rounds every 2.65 seconds if I am not mistaken.

If you have max skills and a proto commando, yes. If you apply that to swarms the gap widens just as happily though, so unless you want to compare maxed out items to base items and draw false conclusions from that it's sort of a pointless exercise.

''Plasma Cannons should do more DPS than Swarms''

No they shouldnt. Reason is that PC hits infantry too while Swarms dont. This gives PC an innate advatage in usefulness over Swarms.

Of course, i wouldnt mind the PC getting buffed at all, just saying why the above statement is incorrect.

Wouldnt mind getting dumb fire for swarms either.

OP POST

Agreed that, on paper at least, PLC should have more DPS than Swarms.
Reasoning: First is moderately easy/difficult to hit on the first show, extremely difficult on follow-up shots. The Swarm is very easy from first to last shots. Also, there's free guidance.


Personal experience: when tanking, I just lol at plasma cannons and their shots. The only advantage they have is their moderate alpha augmented by extra shield damage.

So, I'm up for either:
a) upping PLC DPS.
OR
b) making swarms less easy to hit.


Oh and one more thing:
I'm not into that OHKing tanks thing.

As long as it doesn't become mainstream OP... I don't like the OHKO/2HKO thing, tho, because then commandos could instapop any tank.

Like I said. The OHKing would only happen if they shot you in the weak point, and if you don't have any hardeners active. Otherwise, any HAV with decent HP would take two shots to kill.

So pretty much just fit 1 HP mod and 2 hardeners, and you'll be immune to the OHKs as long as you cycle the hardeners, and then Plasma Cannons would then take 3-5 shots to kill you while they are active.
This way, the high skill vehicle playstyle, which is cycling hardeners, would be the direct counter to the high skill AV playstyle which is Plasma Cannons.

I think PLC needs a really big damage buff against vehicles too, but not as much as you said. I don't want people to cry about it.

I think a 1000HP/shot increase would already be an amazing change! I don't think ADS should get 1 shotted by PLC (except if it's full proto PLC vs MLT derpship of course).

Do you guys want to know the best part about all this?
Even if the Plasma cannon did that much damage...

A maxed out SL on a Minmando with Damage mods would still outDPS a maxed PLC on a Galmando with Damage mods.

This is the extend of the PLC being UP. Its so ridiculously UP, that even buffing its damage by nearly 200% wouldn't make it as good at AV as a swarm launcher.

That's all very well and good but that also opens up the avenues for a cloaked scout with a proto PC to one shot any tank as it can get behind it with relative ease, this would be entirely unfair.

What about making the lock on time for swarms slightly longer? then if you are dumb enough to stick around in the fire zone then you deserve to be shot down.

Can't tell if serious or not

''Plasma Cannons should do more DPS than Swarms''
[b]
No they shouldnt. Reason is that PC hits infantry too while Swarms dont. This gives PC an innate advatage in usefulness over Swarms.