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DeadlyAztec11
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Posted - 2015.01.17 19:11:00 -
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Actually why?
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Fizzer XCIV
Tal-Romon Legion
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Posted - 2015.01.17 19:18:00 -
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High RoF
Armor Damage.
Similar raw DPS.
The main advantage of ARs are their massive magazine sizes now.
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DeadlyAztec11
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Posted - 2015.01.17 19:20:00 -
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Fizzer XCIV wrote:High RoF
Armor Damage.
Similar raw DPS.
The main advantage of ARs are their massive magazine sizes now.
I can usually kill three people with an ACR mag and four when I use it on the Minmatar Assault, but I can barely kill two people with the AR mag.
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Cody Sietz
Random Gunz
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Posted - 2015.01.17 19:21:00 -
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Fizzer XCIV wrote:High RoF
Armor Damage.
Similar raw DPS.
The main advantage of ARs are their massive magazine sizes now.
Except a Minmatar suit gets a even more massive mag and gets about the same hipfire as a level 5 Gallente assault.
Basically, the AR is balanced by its range and the very thing else has no balancing factor(sorry,but the AR is the 2nd best AR and that really shouldn't be)
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Fizzer XCIV
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.01.17 19:26:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Fizzer XCIV wrote:High RoF
Armor Damage.
Similar raw DPS.
The main advantage of ARs are their massive magazine sizes now. I can usually kill three people with an ACR mag and four when I use it on the Minmatar Assault, but I can barely kill two people with the AR mag.
:/
How?
Burger King damage per mag: 1416.916 (1771.145 w/ Minassault V)
Gecko 38 damage per mag: 2271.15
And the AR has better accuracy overall. Both on the hip and ADS.
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Posted - 2015.01.17 19:39:00 -
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Fizzer XCIV wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Fizzer XCIV wrote:High RoF
Armor Damage.
Similar raw DPS.
The main advantage of ARs are their massive magazine sizes now. I can usually kill three people with an ACR mag and four when I use it on the Minmatar Assault, but I can barely kill two people with the AR mag. :/ How? Burger King damage per mag: 1416.916 (1771.145 w/ Minassault V) Gecko 38 damage per mag: 2271.15 And the AR has better accuracy overall. Both on the hip and ADS.
probably against people with less than 500 EHP...
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DeadlyAztec11
Ostrakon Agency
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Posted - 2015.01.17 19:44:00 -
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Fizzer XCIV wrote:
And the AR has better accuracy overall. Both on the hip and ADS.
Yep, about two points, but I can't notice it.
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LUGMOS
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Posted - 2015.01.17 19:49:00 -
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Fizzer XCIV wrote:High RoF
Armor Damage.
Similar raw DPS.
The main advantage of ARs are their massive magazine sizes now. Which makes them better at 1v2 than a ACR could hope to be even with Minassault.
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Posted - 2015.01.17 19:49:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Actually why?
because IWS ruined it for everyone. only he can't accept responsibility for his bad ideas due to nda.
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Cavani1EE7
Murphys-Law
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Posted - 2015.01.17 20:02:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Actually why?
Why do you think it is? I consider the AR fine as it is and I prefer it over the ACR (the ACR is funnier to use though).
If its damage profile would be -10% | +10% you wouldn't even remoootely think so.
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Joel II X
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Posted - 2015.01.17 20:06:00 -
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Fizzer XCIV wrote:High RoF
Armor Damage.
Similar raw DPS.
The main advantage of ARs are their massive magazine sizes now. Which makes them better at 1v2 than a ACR could hope to be even with Minassault.
Unless the ACR is a Min Assault with a skill greater than our equal to 2 in his suit. |
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Posted - 2015.01.17 20:08:00 -
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You've probably been doing drugs.
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Helghus Resther
Heisen Republic
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Posted - 2015.01.17 20:14:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Actually why?
Better is subjective.
I prefer the AR to the ACR myself, in any situation
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2015.01.17 20:45:00 -
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It is, you're just bad.
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Fizzer XCIV
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.01.17 21:09:00 -
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Joel II X wrote:Fizzer XCIV wrote:High RoF
Armor Damage.
Similar raw DPS.
The main advantage of ARs are their massive magazine sizes now. Which makes them better at 1v2 than a ACR could hope to be even with Minassault. Unless the ACR is a Min Assault with a skill greater than our equal to 2 in his suit.
AR still has more damage per mag, which is the stat that matters...
The actual amount of bullets in a mag is largely irrelevant so long as the damage per mag is high.
AR has the highest damage per mag in the Assault, Tactical, and Burst rifle variants. The only exception is the RR having higher damage per mag than the Breach AR.
Even when you account for Amassault/Minassault.
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Monkey MAC
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Posted - 2015.01.17 21:27:00 -
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Well statistically it's not.
The AR has a higher DPS and much larger magazine size, all paired with lower recoil over time and greater hipfire accuracy.
The ACR has an Armour focused profile and a faster ROF and 4m extra range.
So its one of 2 things, there is so much armour around these days that non-armoured weapons simply aren't cutting it, or that slightly better ROF is making a hell lf a lot of difference.
Although anyone who uses an ACR with any degree of accuracy should be capable of doing the same with a Assault Rifle aswell.
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Zindorak
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Posted - 2015.01.17 22:14:00 -
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The real question is why is the ARR better at CQC than AR
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Posted - 2015.01.17 22:27:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Actually why?
Because all Projectile weapons are BS.
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Atiim
Titans of Phoenix
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Posted - 2015.01.18 00:06:00 -
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Because you're not great with the AR?
Against Shield users the AR is much better than the ACR (an extra 130 DPS) but against Armor users the ACR is better by only 94 DPS. Given how the DPS losses and gains are in favor of the AR, your complaint is unfounded.
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Cavani1EE7
Murphys-Law
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Posted - 2015.01.18 00:11:00 -
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Zindorak wrote:The real question is why is the ARR better at CQC than AR
*facepalm*
Where did a fellow caldari assault touch you?
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Darken-Sol
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Posted - 2015.01.18 00:11:00 -
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First Prophet wrote:You've probably been doing drugs.
Indeed
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DeadlyAztec11
Ostrakon Agency
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Posted - 2015.01.18 00:12:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Because you're not great with the AR?
Against Shield users the AR is much better than the ACR (an extra 130 DPS) but against Armor users the ACR is better by only 94 DPS. Given how the DPS losses and gains are in favor of the AR, your complaint is unfounded.
My theory is that the high RoF allows you to slow down targets more therfore making it easier to shoot your target the longer you shoot at them. It is a less exaggerated version of what happens with the HMG.
The rate of fire might be high enough to make even shield suits very slow.
Then again I am unsure what determines how much each shot slows you down: whether it's just RoF or if damage is a factor.
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Fizzer XCIV
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.01.18 00:16:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Atiim wrote:Because you're not great with the AR?
Against Shield users the AR is much better than the ACR (an extra 130 DPS) but against Armor users the ACR is better by only 94 DPS. Given how the DPS losses and gains are in favor of the AR, your complaint is unfounded. My theory is that the high RoF allows you to slow down targets more therfore making it easier to shoot your target the longer you shoot at them. It is a less exaggerated version of what happens with the HMG. The rate of fire might be high enough to make even shield suits very slow. Then again I am unsure what determines how much each shot slows you down: whether it's just RoF or if damage is a factor.
They removed that.
Slowdown doesn't happen anymore.
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Imp Smash
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2015.01.18 00:21:00 -
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I can't comment on whether the ACR is better than the AR or not. But I notice people pulling out damage per mag equations. Yet no one took the time to point out how much time it takes to empty an ACR clip or how much time it takes to empty an AR clip. I would think that it would matter wouldn't it? |
Imp Smash
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2015.01.18 00:21:00 -
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Redacted due to double posting glitchy fun. |
Fizzer XCIV
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.01.18 00:29:00 -
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Imp Smash wrote:I can't comment on whether the ACR is better than the AR or not. But I notice people pulling out damage per mag equations. Yet no one took the time to point out how much time it takes to empty an ACR clip or how much time it takes to empty an AR clip. I would think that it would matter wouldn't it?
Its a largely irrelevant stat.
In this case however, the AR has a longer time.
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Imp Smash
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Posted - 2015.01.19 00:20:00 -
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Well, I'm not sure it is irrelevant. I mean, so Lets say:
Gun X: Has 1500 damage in the clip.
Gun Y: Has 1900 damage in the clip.
Then you'd say that gun X isn't as good as Gun Y by that alone.
Now Say that Gun X can empty that 1500 damage in 1 second, whereas Gun Y takes 2 seconds. I mean, we talk about DPS often for a reason right? So, how much faster can you empty a CR clip than an AR clip? |
Fizzer XCIV
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.01.19 01:14:00 -
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Imp Smash wrote:Well, I'm not sure it is irrelevant. I mean, so Lets say:
Gun X: Has 1500 damage in the clip.
Gun Y: Has 1900 damage in the clip.
Then you'd say that gun X isn't as good as Gun Y by that alone.
Now Say that Gun X can empty that 1500 damage in 1 second, whereas Gun Y takes 2 seconds. I mean, we talk about DPS often for a reason right? So, how much faster can you empty a CR clip than an AR clip?
It doesn't matter. Its the DPS and DpM that matters in this scenario, which the AR has more of both.
An AR outputs more damage per second, for a larger amount of time.
The stats that really matter are DPS and Damage per mag/heat (DpM).
AR DPS: 412
ACR DPS: 397.6
AR DpM: 2163
ACR DpM: 1352
As you can see, the AR both outputs damage at a faster rate, and can output much more damage before it has to stop.
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DeadlyAztec11
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Posted - 2015.01.19 01:20:00 -
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Fizzer XCIV wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Atiim wrote:Because you're not great with the AR?
Against Shield users the AR is much better than the ACR (an extra 130 DPS) but against Armor users the ACR is better by only 94 DPS. Given how the DPS losses and gains are in favor of the AR, your complaint is unfounded. My theory is that the high RoF allows you to slow down targets more therfore making it easier to shoot your target the longer you shoot at them. It is a less exaggerated version of what happens with the HMG. The rate of fire might be high enough to make even shield suits very slow. Then again I am unsure what determines how much each shot slows you down: whether it's just RoF or if damage is a factor. They removed that. Slowdown doesn't happen anymore. And it was a stat called 'Momentum'. Rail Weapons had the highest, Projectiles had the second highest, Blaster took third, and Lasers had the least.
Are you sure?
Haven't you ever found it hard to move while being shot by the HMG?
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Imp Smash
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Posted - 2015.01.19 01:43:00 -
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Fizzer XCIV wrote:Imp Smash wrote:Well, I'm not sure it is irrelevant. I mean, so Lets say:
Gun X: Has 1500 damage in the clip.
Gun Y: Has 1900 damage in the clip.
Then you'd say that gun X isn't as good as Gun Y by that alone.
Now Say that Gun X can empty that 1500 damage in 1 second, whereas Gun Y takes 2 seconds. I mean, we talk about DPS often for a reason right? So, how much faster can you empty a CR clip than an AR clip? It doesn't matter. Its the DPS and DpM that matters in this scenario, which the AR has more of both. An AR outputs more damage per second, for a larger amount of time. The stats that really matter are DPS and Damage per mag/heat (DpM). AR DPS: 412 ACR DPS: 397.6 AR DpM: 2163 ACR DpM: 1352 As you can see, the AR both outputs damage at a faster rate, and can output much more damage before it has to stop.
Fair enough. So you don't know how exactly fast an AR can empty the clip and how fast the AR can empty the clip then but have an idea? I would assume by the DpM you listed and the DPS you listed that the ACR empties at about 2x the speed of the AR then? |
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