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Imp Smash
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2015.01.18 00:21:00 -
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I can't comment on whether the ACR is better than the AR or not. But I notice people pulling out damage per mag equations. Yet no one took the time to point out how much time it takes to empty an ACR clip or how much time it takes to empty an AR clip. I would think that it would matter wouldn't it? |
Imp Smash
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
528
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Posted - 2015.01.18 00:21:00 -
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Redacted due to double posting glitchy fun. |
Imp Smash
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
530
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Posted - 2015.01.19 00:20:00 -
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Well, I'm not sure it is irrelevant. I mean, so Lets say:
Gun X: Has 1500 damage in the clip.
Gun Y: Has 1900 damage in the clip.
Then you'd say that gun X isn't as good as Gun Y by that alone.
Now Say that Gun X can empty that 1500 damage in 1 second, whereas Gun Y takes 2 seconds. I mean, we talk about DPS often for a reason right? So, how much faster can you empty a CR clip than an AR clip? |
Imp Smash
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2015.01.19 01:43:00 -
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Fizzer XCIV wrote:Imp Smash wrote:Well, I'm not sure it is irrelevant. I mean, so Lets say:
Gun X: Has 1500 damage in the clip.
Gun Y: Has 1900 damage in the clip.
Then you'd say that gun X isn't as good as Gun Y by that alone.
Now Say that Gun X can empty that 1500 damage in 1 second, whereas Gun Y takes 2 seconds. I mean, we talk about DPS often for a reason right? So, how much faster can you empty a CR clip than an AR clip? It doesn't matter. Its the DPS and DpM that matters in this scenario, which the AR has more of both. An AR outputs more damage per second, for a larger amount of time. The stats that really matter are DPS and Damage per mag/heat (DpM). AR DPS: 412 ACR DPS: 397.6 AR DpM: 2163 ACR DpM: 1352 As you can see, the AR both outputs damage at a faster rate, and can output much more damage before it has to stop.
Fair enough. So you don't know how exactly fast an AR can empty the clip and how fast the AR can empty the clip then but have an idea? I would assume by the DpM you listed and the DPS you listed that the ACR empties at about 2x the speed of the AR then? |
Imp Smash
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2015.01.19 02:22:00 -
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Jack McReady wrote:Imp Smash wrote:Well, I'm not sure it is irrelevant. I mean, so Lets say:
Gun X: Has 1500 damage in the clip.
Gun Y: Has 1900 damage in the clip.
Then you'd say that gun X isn't as good as Gun Y by that alone.
Now Say that Gun X can empty that 1500 damage in 1 second, whereas Gun Y takes 2 seconds. I mean, we talk about DPS often for a reason right? So, how much faster can you empty a CR clip than an AR clip? Imp Smash wrote:
Fair enough. So you don't know how exactly fast an AR can empty the clip and how fast the AR can empty the clip then but have an idea? I would assume by the DpM you listed and the DPS you listed that the ACR empties at about 2x the speed of the AR then?
what you are pointing at does not make sense at all. being able to empty the clip faster while dealing lower DPS is not an advantage 
Maybe not. I might be way off base. I haven't used the AR in almost 2 years so I really am poor about such a comparison. I DO use the CR and it certainly doesn't feel like the DPS is as low as people say. Then again, it could just be a skewed viewpoint based on TTK. As I said way earlier -- I'm just trying to understand it. I can't make a fair opinion or even really helpful feed back based on my limited experience.
EDIT: One thing I DO notice is that I seem to burn through the 60+ CR clip WAY faster than I would expect. I feel like im out of ammo pretty much all the time. :( |
Imp Smash
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
533
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Posted - 2015.01.19 02:51:00 -
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Fizzer XCIV wrote:Imp Smash wrote:Fizzer XCIV wrote:Imp Smash wrote:Well, I'm not sure it is irrelevant. I mean, so Lets say:
Gun X: Has 1500 damage in the clip.
Gun Y: Has 1900 damage in the clip.
Then you'd say that gun X isn't as good as Gun Y by that alone.
Now Say that Gun X can empty that 1500 damage in 1 second, whereas Gun Y takes 2 seconds. I mean, we talk about DPS often for a reason right? So, how much faster can you empty a CR clip than an AR clip? It doesn't matter. Its the DPS and DpM that matters in this scenario, which the AR has more of both. An AR outputs more damage per second, for a larger amount of time. The stats that really matter are DPS and Damage per mag/heat (DpM). AR DPS: 412 ACR DPS: 397.6 AR DpM: 2163 ACR DpM: 1352 As you can see, the AR both outputs damage at a faster rate, and can output much more damage before it has to stop. Fair enough. So you don't know how exactly fast an AR can empty the clip and how fast the AR can empty the clip then but have an idea? I would assume by the DpM you listed and the DPS you listed that the ACR empties at about 2x the speed of the AR then? The AR takes 5.25s to empty. The ACR takes 3.4s to empty.
And how many bullets are in an AR clip and how many are in an ACR clip? Or CR clip? |
Imp Smash
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
533
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Posted - 2015.01.19 03:58:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Imp Smash wrote:
And how many bullets are in an AR clip and how many are in an ACR clip? Or CR clip?
Seriously, just boot up your PS3 and look at the stats. You are acting like the stats aren't publicly available.
At work :( |
Imp Smash
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2015.01.19 06:26:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Imp Smash wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Imp Smash wrote:
And how many bullets are in an AR clip and how many are in an ACR clip? Or CR clip?
Seriously, just boot up your PS3 and look at the stats. You are acting like the stats aren't publicly available. At work :( Standard AR is 70, CR is 54(67 with Minmatar Assault level V)
Thank you!
So almost identical bullet count.
Fizzer XCIV wrote:
Fair enough. So you don't know how exactly fast an AR can empty the clip and how fast the AR can empty the clip then but have an idea? I would assume by the DpM you listed and the DPS you listed that the ACR empties at about 2x the speed of the AR then?
The AR takes 5.25s to empty.
The ACR takes 3.4s to empty.[/quote]
So with identical bullet counts the CR fires about 50% faster than the AR. Do the RPMs on the guns reflect that?
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Imp Smash
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
539
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Posted - 2015.01.19 23:46:00 -
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Blue tag posts.
Conversation involving math and about 6-7 people interested in it devolves into post with tons of random posts with anecdotal evidence and complete lack of evidence + random suggestions and jumps to completely unrelated topics. (it's a thread about CRs vs Ars, but lets talk about how the ScR or the HmG compares...anecdotally of course.)
Hilarity ensues. |
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