Post a traceroute to the servers.

First questions should be "Are you on wireless?"

Post a traceroute to the servers.

This is where theory and art divide. Some players can take a suit and use it artfully for something that it was not intended for. Does that make it wrong?

Why have you given up hope? It's like you're more interested in being a hard a$$ than admitting that human creativity can be an amazing and inspiring thing.

It only makes it wrong if the following are true:
- you don't have to make enough sacrifices to do it
- you can make it better than the suit designed for the role can be (assuming it, too, is being set up for the same purpose, obviously)

I hate to burst your little "I am freaking AWESOME" bubble, but the reason you can make scout suits to do all this sh!t medium suits are designed for so well has nothing to do with your singular talent to squeeze evey last ounce of performance out of it and everything to do with a broken system.

Logis pushed for sole propriety over equipment. They got it, and now what?

There are many more matches without any uplinks on the field whatsoever..

I got you CloNe. I just went proto minmatar logi. And I'm back on Dust. o7

COOCH! Awesome, bro! I'm glad you're back, my friend!

So, you're telling me that the system is broken when a heavy can kincat tank his dropsuit to the point that he can chase down an assault or scout and mow him down? No, that is ingenuity. A heavy isn't designed for that, but we have the option of customizing it to a certain degree. A suit like that, played well, can terrorize people, and this play style falls outside of the intended purpose of the suit (point defense).

Customization gives us degrees of freedom to perform whatever function we can build a suit to do, even if it falls outside of the original intent for the dropsuit.

... If I run assault, I want some REs or a nanohive. I don't want to have to carry around an uplink, ...

Hmm... lessee... a sentinel chasing down a scout...

That "scout" has no idea what he's doing then. Maybe he should try not putting regular complex plates on a frickin' light frame.

Speed tanked Min sentinels will not chase down a scout who has any idea how to fit a suit. An Amarr assault, sure, but that assault will quite possibly have more eHP than the sentinel and their ScR is gonna be murder on the shield HP they are dependent on.

That same Min Sentinel would get torn apart by a CQC sentinel, too.

Can go outside normal parameters but makes a lot of sacrifices. Working as intended.

Let me explain it this way:

Fitting freedom/customization should allow you to blur the lines between suit classes, not erase them.

Credibility is a kind of authority. There is no better way to enhance your authority that to use it well; no better way to undermine your own authority than to use it badly.

Have you ever seen a movie where a person uses a coffee mug or a newspaper to kill someone? That is the kind of thinking outside of the box that allows a person to use one dropsuit to masterfully complete a task for which it was not designed.

You simply lack imagination. That's all. Do some thought experiments to expand your mind or something.

The entire concept of game balance and player classes is based on ONE simple principle:

Every class has a particular function/role/specialization for which they are designed to be "best" at. No other class, when both are being used as intended by the designer should be nearly as effective at it.

When this is no longer the case, one class is rendered obsolete. This is improper game design and results in a lack of diversity in the long run as everyone will use the same imbalanced class.

If paper always beats scissors, too, nobody will ever use a rock.

If you are unable to grasp that as not just an aim, but as a necessity, then there Is no point in continuing.

Have you examined the community to find out what their goals are? Not everyone has the same motivations or ambitions as you do. There is variety here. There is also variety in the game allowing people to forge their own path to victory.

All along, Dust players have stated that there is not a single winning strategy in Dust. People from all walks can thrive here. Go forth, young warrior and find yours. If you need to be narrow minded to do that, then be my guest.

I, myself, have been able to use dropsuits in multitudinous ways and still come out on top. I'm sure you will figure it out.

... then I must concoct a way to extract that information.

Ever stop and think that maybe what you are seeing is actually how few logi's are really out there?

^ sad that this question continues to get overlooked in the sea of scout QQ we see here.

Just want to point out one thing: told you so. All you people who whined about nerfing logi suits "because spam" or never buffing them because "oh noes slayer logis are the boogie man".

Now you see the truth. Spam had NOTHING to do with logis and everything to do with scrubby spam tourists.

Anyway, back to the I portent question. IMO the main issue is the logi suits are in dire need of a buff. They are simultaneously slow, squishy, and expensive. That's the worst possible combination. There's a whole excellent thread started by Cross but this is the gist of it.

1) whether you make them heavier than assaults or lighter/faster than assaults, one of the two has to happen. If you want us squishy, fine, but we can't also be so damn slow. If you want us slow, then we need some HP or resistances.

2) The bonuses need to be tweaked so that we are not restricted to only one kind of EQ. Example: It's stupid that a rep tool works just as well on a gal scout or cal assault than it does on my Amarr logi suit.

Those two things alone would go a long way.

Also, those corps that apparently tell their logis they need to just shut up and leash a sentinel are a big part of the problem. Nobody learns how to be a f*cking actual logi any more!

Logis pushed for sole propriety over equipment. They got it, and now what?

There are many more matches without any uplinks on the field whatsoever.

Proximity explosives are a thing of the past because logis have better things to do?

Logis are doing the one thing that they know how to do. Latch onto a heavy and hold R1 for the remainder of the match.

Do your jobs logis. If you see a battlefield with all red letters and no friendly uplinks, then you didn't do your job. Learn how to prevent that.

Don't make me stop assaulting and capturing objectives, because you don't know how to do your job, so that I can do it for you.

[EDIT]
Key concepts "role transference" and "margin of supporting contribution" found on page 4 https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2558794#post2558794.

Succinctly stated:

There are not enough logis in the player base to support teams.

Every other role needs to pitch in a helping hand.

Because of this, we need to add a few extra bandwidth (maybe 4) to each dropsuit due to the expectation of role transference.

Perhaps it would have been a good idea to do some of those things you mention before erasing the uplink scout from the game.

C'mon brah do yer job!

[...]See,i can be stupid too.

Oh, hey bro. Did you ever see this:

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2542839#post2542839

I was interested in your PE strategies. RayRay replied earlier in this thread about how he deploys minefields, but I still wanted to hear what you had to say about it.

PEs aren't grenades meant to be offensive,they are for re-inforcing an already secure area.