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Clone D 1292	Posted - 2015.01.07 18:22:00 - [1] - Quote Logis pushed for sole propriety over equipment. They got it, and now what? There are many more matches without any uplinks on the field whatsoever. Proximity explosives are a thing of the past because logis have better things to do? Logis are doing the one thing that they know how to do. Latch onto a heavy and hold R1 for the remainder of the match. Do your jobs logis. If you see a battlefield with all red letters and no friendly uplinks, then you didn't do your job. Learn how to prevent that. Don't make me stop assaulting and capturing objectives, because you don't know how to do your job, so that I can do it for you.
Orber Gen Academy Inferno E-R-A 269	Posted - 2015.01.07 18:24:00 - [2] - Quote Work as intended (C) CCP
Byozuma Kegawa Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 392	Posted - 2015.01.07 18:29:00 - [3] - Quote Uplinks have short lifespans due to people actually hunting them down, half the time to spawn-camp and the other to actually get rid of it. Proximities have classically been the purview of scouts because logistics have better things to do (like keeping sentinels/squads covered/healthy). A logistics role isn't advancing into held territory without support, that's what scouts do. Logistics are support roles, thus they don't usually travel solo hacking objectives and dropping explosives. And uplinks tend to happen when opportune.
Flint Beastgood III Carbon 7 Iron Oxide. 1201	Posted - 2015.01.07 18:31:00 - [4] - Quote Clone D wrote: Logis pushed for sole propriety over equipment. They got it, and now what? There are many more matches without any uplinks on the field whatsoever. Proximity explosives are a thing of the past because logis have better things to do? Logis are doing the one thing that they know how to do. Latch onto a heavy and hold R1 for the remainder of the match. Do your jobs logis. If you see a battlefield with all red letters and no friendly uplinks, then you didn't do your job. Learn how to prevent that. Don't make me stop assaulting and capturing objectives, because you don't know how to do your job, so that I can do it for you. Bandwidth. I still do my uplink thing, but they only go so far now. I'm not running proto every match just so I can place down 8 instead of 6, that's just reetarded. I know what you're saying though. At first I stopped uplinking when bandwidth was introduced, but more and more I am forced to drive around placing links or sit in the redline with the rest of the team until the match ends, lol. Skills - https://www.facebook.com/notes/flint-beastgood-iii/list-of-trained-skills/416505058477164
7th Son 7 Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 188	Posted - 2015.01.07 18:33:00 - [5] - Quote Clone D wrote: Logis pushed for sole propriety over equipment. They got it, and now what? There are many more matches without any uplinks on the field whatsoever. Proximity explosives are a thing of the past because logis have better things to do? Logis are doing the one thing that they know how to do. Latch onto a heavy and hold R1 for the remainder of the match. Do your jobs logis. If you see a battlefield with all red letters and no friendly uplinks, then you didn't do your job. Learn how to prevent that. Don't make me stop assaulting and capturing objectives, because you don't know how to do your job, so that I can do it for you. What's wrong with making an assault suit that has uplinks for those occassions? c'mon man
Clone D 1292	Posted - 2015.01.07 18:35:00 - [6] - Quote Byozuma Kegawa wrote: Uplinks have short lifespans due to people actually hunting them down, half the time to spawn-camp and the other to actually get rid of it. Proximities have classically been the purview of scouts because logistics have better things to do (like keeping sentinels/squads covered/healthy). A logistics role isn't advancing into held territory without support, that's what scouts do. Logistics are support roles, thus they don't usually travel solo hacking objectives and dropping explosives. And uplinks tend to happen when opportune. 1. If you are a logi and you're setting uplinks in places where they can be camped, and you're not protecting them then YOU ARE MAKING A SPAWN TRAP for your team. Learn how to deploy an uplink. You're not doing your job right. 2. If you are a logi and you have better things to do than set proximity explosives, WHO IS SUPPOSED TO DO IT? Scouts do not have enough bandwidth to deploy an effective mine field. PEs are equipment and belong in the domain of the logis who are designed to deploy equipment.
Flint Beastgood III Carbon 7 Iron Oxide. 1201	Posted - 2015.01.07 18:37:00 - [7] - Quote Byozuma Kegawa wrote: Logistics are support roles, thus they don't usually travel solo hacking objectives and dropping explosives. This was EXACTLY what I did as a gal logi from 5mil SP (Uprising 1.0) to 20mil SP, lol. Hacking level 5. Gal Logi Level 3. Demolitions Level 4. Uplinks Level 3. That was my bread and butter and had I not been doing that, DUST would never have stayed on my PS3 for so long. I'm so glad I didn't have the NPE of nowadays to deal with, but it sure wasn't a walk in the park. EDIT: @57mil SP, the only skill mentioned above that has advanced is Uplinks (Level 5), lol. Skills - https://www.facebook.com/notes/flint-beastgood-iii/list-of-trained-skills/416505058477164
Clone D 1292	Posted - 2015.01.07 18:37:00 - [8] - Quote 7th Son 7 wrote: What's wrong with making an assault suit that has uplinks for those occassions? c'mon man If the field is devoid of uplinks, then logis didn't do their jobs. I am devoting my equipment slot to REs (or a nanohive, since there is never a logi around when you need one).
Clone D 1293	Posted - 2015.01.07 18:40:00 - [9] - Quote Flint Beastgood III wrote: Bandwidth. I still do my uplink thing, but they only go so far now. I'm not running proto every match just so I can place down 8 instead of 6, that's just reetarded. I know what you're saying though. At first I stopped uplinking when bandwidth was introduced, but more and more I am forced to drive around placing links or sit in the redline with the rest of the team until the match ends, lol. Yes, I frequently have to stop what I'm doing and do logis jobs for them and then figure out a way to go back to what I was doing without sacrificing bandwidth.
Flint Beastgood III Carbon 7 Iron Oxide. 1203	Posted - 2015.01.07 18:40:00 - [10] - Quote Clone D wrote: 7th Son 7 wrote: What's wrong with making an assault suit that has uplinks for those occassions? c'mon man If the field is devoid of uplinks, then logis didn't do their jobs. I am devoting my equipment slot to REs (or a nanohive, since there is never a logi around when you need one). ^This. Although I haven't used REs since they became sticky, apart from on my Min APEX suits. Skills - https://www.facebook.com/notes/flint-beastgood-iii/list-of-trained-skills/416505058477164

Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 5638	Posted - 2015.01.07 18:40:00 - [11] - Quote For logis to work properly they need to be supporting a squad. People would rather solo. Solo logi throwing out links and crossing their fingers for blueberries to show up is a pretty futile effort. Low payouts ensure that only the best are running decent gear.
Clone D 1293	Posted - 2015.01.07 18:44:00 - [12] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: For logis to work properly they need to be supporting a squad. [...] Sounds lke the logi union catch phrase. NO NO NO. I as an assault have to stop what I'm doing, change into a logi suit, call a dropship and set uplinks around the field, to create a doorway back into battle. IF I CAN DO IT. A LOGI WHO SPECCED INTO THAT ROLE CAN DO IT. Do your jobs logis.
Nirwanda Vaughns 1192	Posted - 2015.01.07 18:47:00 - [13] - Quote Clone D wrote: 7th Son 7 wrote: What's wrong with making an assault suit that has uplinks for those occassions? c'mon man If the field is devoid of uplinks, then logis didn't do their jobs. I am devoting my equipment slot to REs (or a nanohive, since there is never a logi around when you need one). or th elogi did his job but a heavy/assault was crying fo rsome hives. logi dropped it and cos of the slightly broken bandwidth system the uplinks pop or scouts tak ethem out. a 'properly' fit logi can carry about 3 uplinks (gauged) once they've gone and either the supply depot has been blown up or you can't get it hacked hows a logi supposed to restock his supply? as has been said before it doesnt take much to get lv3 or 4 in drop uplinks so any player over a few months old can get them and make a quick uplink fit in any suit they own that has an equipment slot and seeign as only the heavy suits don't have them then thats a lot of options. don't just rely on bluedot logis, if you see alack of uplinks while you're solo... err put some out. why rely on someone when you can do it yourself? Never argue with an idiot. they bring you down to their level and beat you through experience proud C-II bpo owner
7th Son 7 Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 189	Posted - 2015.01.07 18:48:00 - [14] - Quote Clone D wrote: 7th Son 7 wrote: What's wrong with making an assault suit that has uplinks for those occassions? c'mon man If the field is devoid of uplinks, then logis didn't do their jobs. I am devoting my equipment slot to REs (or a nanohive, since there is never a logi around when you need one). Agreed, but we all know a team can't always be trusted to do their jobs well. That's where the phrase "stupid blueberry" comes from. All im saying is have a counter for when blueberries are letting you down if you can.
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. 2979	Posted - 2015.01.07 18:48:00 - [15] - Quote I Always put out links... Proto links on every logi suit I have.. The problem lies with equipment health pools.... It used to take a few shots to remove enemy equipment on the field... And if it was a Caldari Logi's nanohives? Those things had 400 health... Taking out equipment was part of the tactics... With the way scouts have had their teeth filed down with nerfs... The average competent enemy scout is sitting at the back of your team taking out Uplinks... Specially in a Dom or Ambush... That with normal players not carrying and deploying Uplinks have made them largely a rarity on the battlefield unless that is all someone is doing. Logi's who just link upto a heavy... And don't worry about supporting the entire team as a whole don;t score or perform to well.. The Logi's who can rep multiple people while keeping links and nanohives down and providing scans or running a passive scan fit are the ones that are getting good results in matches. The ones that just hold R1 behind a heavy..... Then have to try and survive everyone targeting the yellow suit that has a line leading to where it is? Don't score to well and spend the entire match trying to survive.
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 6267	Posted - 2015.01.07 18:49:00 - [16] - Quote Run with a squad. Be their logi and let them slay, or slay while a squadmate logis. Blueberries are unreliable and incompetent. Stop depending on them to do things for you. Just call me Ripple. Ripple Riley. @Ripley_Riley
Flint Beastgood III Carbon 7 Iron Oxide. 1203	Posted - 2015.01.07 18:49:00 - [17] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: For logis to work properly they need to be supporting a squad. People would rather solo. Solo logi throwing out links and crossing their fingers for blueberries to show up is a pretty futile effort. Yeah, I much prefer to run squad support, but when I am running around solo-linking I stay to defend the links until there is a group of blues ready to move forward, and then carry on about my business which usually involves changing to a support fit or leading a charge on the objective - it's amazing what blues can do when they spawn in to see me mowing down approaching enemies like no mans business, they can go from clueless uncoordinated idiots to men on a mission, lol, great cover for hacking, even if they do just die and respawn. Skills - https://www.facebook.com/notes/flint-beastgood-iii/list-of-trained-skills/416505058477164
Flint Beastgood III Carbon 7 Iron Oxide. 1203	Posted - 2015.01.07 18:51:00 - [18] - Quote Bethhy wrote: Logi's who just link upto a heavy... And don't worry about supporting the entire team as a whole don;t score or perform to well.. The Logi's who can rep multiple people while keeping links and nanohives down and providing scans or running a passive scan fit are the ones that are getting good results in matches. The ones that just hold R1 behind a heavy..... Then have to try and survive everyone targeting the yellow suit that has a line leading to where it is? Don't score to well and spend the entire match trying to survive. Yep. Skills - https://www.facebook.com/notes/flint-beastgood-iii/list-of-trained-skills/416505058477164
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 3588	Posted - 2015.01.07 18:52:00 - [19] - Quote That doesn't mean Logis aren't doing their jobs it means the whole battlefront logistics is messed up. I'm not talking about the Logistics suit here I'm talking about ACTUAL logistics. The game is too dependent upon uplinks to keep players near the frontlines, this causes the problems we see now. When too many uplinks are placed you get ants nesting and making a push on enemy territory becomes a convuluted game of whack-a-mole. When too few uplinks are placed the maps become to expansive and neither team really gathers up the resources to successfully push or defend against points. We need a greater push towards CRU Installations Vehicle Mobile CRU and vehicular transport. Focus needs to be shifted away from uplinks (which should really be used as a black-ops insertion tool not summon a whole army through a magical black hole kind of deal) and more towards bolstering your battle lines requiring a concerted effort between transport pilots, hacker based scouts and point defence. They call me the Monkey - I like to jump off sh** and piss RE's all over your tank! Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior Lvl 3
Flint Beastgood III Carbon 7 Iron Oxide. 1203	Posted - 2015.01.07 19:03:00 - [20] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: long post with good points Yeah, TEAM communication is not where it needs to be to really achieve this, until we get Team Deploy it's a lost cause. What I'd like is to have an uplink MODULE to fit on my suit. Or an auto-link-on-Squad-Leader feature, like other games where you have the option to spawn on your squad leader. Skills - https://www.facebook.com/notes/flint-beastgood-iii/list-of-trained-skills/416505058477164

Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 5640	Posted - 2015.01.07 19:04:00 - [21] - Quote Clone D wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: For logis to work properly they need to be supporting a squad. [...] Sounds lke the logi union catch phrase. NO NO NO. I as an assault have to stop what I'm doing, change into a logi suit, call a dropship and set uplinks around the field, to create a doorway back into battle. IF I CAN DO IT. A LOGI WHO SPECCED INTO THAT ROLE CAN DO IT. Do your jobs logis. Winning doesn't matter in pubs. It's pretty much the answer to every problem in Dust. Low payouts ensure that only the best are running decent gear.
Clone D 1293	Posted - 2015.01.07 19:08:00 - [22] - Quote Nirwanda Vaughns wrote: or th elogi did his job but a heavy/assault was crying fo rsome hives. logi dropped it and cos of the slightly broken bandwidth system the uplinks pop or scouts tak ethem out. a 'properly' fit logi can carry about 3 uplinks (gauged) once they've gone and either the supply depot has been blown up or you can't get it hacked hows a logi supposed to restock his supply? All I see here is that some logis don't know how to manage their bandwidth. Nirwanda Vaughns wrote: as has been said before it doesnt take much to get lv3 or 4 in drop uplinks so any player over a few months old can get them and make a quick uplink fit in any suit they own that has an equipment slot and seeign as only the heavy suits don't have them then thats a lot of options. don't just rely on bluedot logis, if you see alack of uplinks while you're solo... err put some out. why rely on someone when you can do it yourself? Logi is not my chosen profession. Why should I have to do the job of a logi, when that is not what I specced into? What you're saying is that logis don't have the ability to do their jobs and need someone else to pitch in a helping hand, yet logis want to maintain superior bandwidth to every other role. NO NO NO. Learn how to manage your bandwidth, logi. Do your job. Or did you not attend bandwidth management at your local community college?
Clone D 1293	Posted - 2015.01.07 19:14:00 - [23] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Run with a squad. Be their logi and let them slay, or slay while a squadmate logis. Blueberries are unreliable and incompetent. Stop depending on them to do things for you. I didn't say I was depending on them. They don't do their jobs, so I do it. I'm just stating that they are not doing what is in their job description very well. And for having pushed so hard to hold that responsibility alone, they are proving that they cannot handle it.. They're letting the team down and causing losses.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 5641	Posted - 2015.01.07 19:23:00 - [24] - Quote I find it more odd that blueberries that are sniping aren't able to see the 10 dudes on the pipes dropping remotes. Or the 4 dropships flying around with no AV to be seen. Low payouts ensure that only the best are running decent gear.
SteelheadPep SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 178	Posted - 2015.01.07 19:36:00 - [25] - Quote There are so many variations to the logi fit along with the racial bonuses. People who spec into logi have to spend a tremendous amount of SP to skill and upgrade all of the various equipment. When you are in a sqaud (with mics) sqaud leads try to use the best fits for that particular moment. I try to come in with Amarr Logi with proto uplinks ,pen and a sixskin to start. I will remain in that fitting until the need arise to switch into a Min Logi for better repping, Gal logi if scans are needed. The Amar suit bonus allows my team to get optimal spawns but is a disadvantage in the other areas.All logi fits are not cookie cutter.Just like all slayer fits are not the same,please donnot point your finger at players who are trying to help you do better.This is a team based game, if you like running solo thats fine but it has drawbacks under certain situations.Sqauding up with mics changes the whole dynamics of the game, and who knows you might enjoy more matches.Look forward to sqauding up with you or any sqaud that would like an old school support logi (i will put shiny links down for you personally)
Clone D 1293	Posted - 2015.01.07 19:37:00 - [26] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: I find it more odd that blueberries that are sniping aren't able to see the 10 dudes on the pipes dropping remotes. Or the 4 dropships flying around with no AV to be seen. Right on... To me, the primary difference is that snipers didn't push to be the only role to have the right to kill infantry. Logis did push hard to hold primary domain over equipment, thereby restricting other roles from interfering with their WP grubbing. However, now we see evidence that logis are not supporting the team very well. I don't think that they can handle the responsibility alone. In order for me to make things right, I am forced to stop performing the Assault\|Scout\|Point Defense\|AV role I want to do, change into a logi and perform their role for them because they are incapable. Then, I am forced to remain in that role, which super sucks because I don't want to be a logi period. Logis said, "We've got this under control. You don't neeeeed the ability to deploy multiple equipment." I guess they were wrong, and they can't cope with the responisibility.
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 6273	Posted - 2015.01.07 19:38:00 - [27] - Quote Clone D wrote: I didn't say I was depending on them. They don't do their jobs, so I do it. I'm just stating that they are not doing what is in their job description very well. And for having pushed so hard to hold that responsibility alone, they are proving that they cannot handle it.. They're letting the team down and causing losses. Ah, so you are irritated with blueberries in general. Yeah, they are terrible. Solution: get in a squad. /thread Just call me Ripple. Ripple Riley. @Ripley_Riley
ADAM-OF-EVE Dead Man's Game RUST415 1863	Posted - 2015.01.07 19:41:00 - [28] - Quote oh look, another "i hate logistics" thread from Clone D. All Hail Legion
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 6273	Posted - 2015.01.07 19:44:00 - [29] - Quote ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: oh look, another "i hate logistics" thread from Clone D. He is terribly upset that bandwidth exists and he can no longer farm WPs by the thousand Just call me Ripple. Ripple Riley. @Ripley_Riley
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 5644	Posted - 2015.01.07 19:48:00 - [30] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: oh look, another "i hate logistics" thread from Clone D. He is terribly upset that bandwidth exists and he can no longer farm WPs by the thousand It seems that way. I'm a big fan of the bandwidth because it's given logis a role again, but there is still no incentive to win matches. Logis are important to winning matches. Logis perform better in squads. Squading isn't a priority because winning isn't important. Lots of balance issues would be solved or more easily fixed if they incentivized winning. I think the fallout from that would fix sooo many issues that have plagued Dust for a long time. Low payouts ensure that only the best are running decent gear.



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