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RayRay James
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Posted - 2015.01.09 19:01:00 -
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Combat oriented people pushed to have the needle nerf installed. Sure WP Farming happened, but get over it.
People stopped playing logi because of it.
Bandwidth was introduced because CCP wanted it, not Logi's
Loss of logis from previous nerfs means less logis on the field.
I still run a link, needle, rep milita suit as my main and a pro logi when I want to have fun. I have droplink suits, nanohive suits, and every kind of equipment suit a logi should have for any ocassion. I can bring out the droplink suit, get dead, and spawn in with a different fit because bandwidth transfers over.
Ultimately, the problem isn't any of the changes. It's that the changes made people leave the role. Less logis = less equipment.
Also, assaults and scouts have equipment slots. suck it up and use them. Us logis wont mind an extra droplink or hive. |
RayRay James
Titans of Phoenix
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Posted - 2015.01.09 19:04:00 -
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Clone D wrote:Nothing Certain wrote:Proxies are one option, one that to be effective requires as many proxies as you can lay down, meaning no links, hives or remotes. It seens like a poor tradeoff for a logi to do this. Who is supposed to lay proxies now? Can you describe a strategy that makes sense?
My logi with proto proxies, RE and nanohive work great in certain scenarios.
Get me on the bridge map with that suit and unless the tank is paying fantastic attention there's no more tank. |
RayRay James
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Posted - 2015.01.09 20:05:00 -
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Clone D wrote:RayRay James wrote:Clone D wrote:Nothing Certain wrote:Proxies are one option, one that to be effective requires as many proxies as you can lay down, meaning no links, hives or remotes. It seens like a poor tradeoff for a logi to do this. Who is supposed to lay proxies now? Can you describe a strategy that makes sense? My logi with proto proxies, RE and nanohive work great in certain scenarios. Get me on the bridge map with that suit and unless the tank is paying fantastic attention there's no more tank. Hey RayRay! Thanks for your feedback on this. I'm trying to learn how people are using proxies nowadays. How many proxies do you deploy? What do you do afterward?
Can't speak for everyone, but lets take my bridge map for example.
My demolitions logi has a proto PE, Advanced, PE, Proto rep nanohive and proto RE.
I'll drop out as many PE in a cluster as allowed with each type (I think it totals 7). Since tankers rarely turn around and come back across the map (They usually make a big circle around the map), I'll watch once or twice and see which way they prefer to go and then drop my RE's just past the PEs. If the tanker survives the PEs, the REs are there to finish the job.
After that, it's resupply with my nanohive if there's no supply depot. If there is a supply depot I usually switch out of the suit for one of my many other logi fits. If I have to stay in my demolitions suit, I play "hide and go seek then destroy" because it's also dampener/speed fit |
RayRay James
Titans of Phoenix
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Posted - 2015.01.09 20:06:00 -
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el OPERATOR wrote:RayRay James wrote:Combat oriented people pushed to have the needle nerf installed. Sure WP Farming happened, but get over it.
People stopped playing logi because of it.
Bandwidth was introduced because CCP wanted it, not Logi's
Loss of logis from previous nerfs means less logis on the field.
I still run a link, needle, rep milita suit as my main and a pro logi when I want to have fun. I have droplink suits, nanohive suits, and every kind of equipment suit a logi should have for any ocassion. I can bring out the droplink suit, get dead, and spawn in with a different fit because bandwidth transfers over.
Ultimately, the problem isn't any of the changes. It's that the changes made people leave the role. Less logis = less equipment.
Also, assaults and scouts have equipment slots. suck it up and use them. Us logis wont mind an extra droplink or hive. This I don't think is too far off. D, you have the ability to "perform" any role from any suit now, as BW is. Are you as effective at it than suits designed to optimize that role? No, and you shouldn't be. Thats why suit base specialization exists. As far as raising the BW limits for SAC, why? They have enough to self-support at a basic level OR weaponize further, as you've proven repeatedly. It just isn't enough BW to do both, simultaneously. Just like how none of my Logi suits can generate passive scans low enough and far enough to detect dampened scouts. If I want to do that, I need a scout frame and to sacrifice most of my Logi gear. And remember, I am the guy who argued vehemently against BW being added the minute the topic was bluestickied.
Actually, I have a logi suit that gets down to 27dB. Doesn't get everything, but most people don't go for true damp scouts. If they do, they win. If they don't, I win.
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RayRay James
Titans of Phoenix
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Posted - 2015.01.09 20:11:00 -
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Clone D wrote:
But his effectiveness suffers because he had to give up an important tool in order to help someone else with their job.
Do we need to consider an analogy to the welfare system? Some people aren't doing their jobs for whatever reason. Everyone else contributes out of their own hard earned cash.
If we don't loosen bandwidth just the tiniest little bit, then we just created a welfare system in Dust. All the other roles have to sacrifice the equipment that they need, in order to help out the logis.
Dust is a game of sacrifices.
You make the decision to help the logi or help yourself. You get to make this decision every time you die or pass a supply depot.
If you're in an assault, throw a link, and die. Come back in the assault with the REs. The link will stay active until you toss out your REs. At that point, you're making the active decision that your REs are more important at that moment that your link was.
Bandwidth makes you make decisions. Sometimes those decisions suck. |
RayRay James
Titans of Phoenix
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Posted - 2015.01.09 20:40:00 -
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Clone D wrote:
So it sounds like you are tracking the tanks you destroy, and setting your explosives in the sweet spot on a per tank basis. Then when the threat is removed you go do something else. What happens when you set your mines in the sweet spot and then the tank never rolls back through? Do you give up, or go chasing the tank around the map?
Do you ever use the strategy where you deploy a minefield in a known trafficked area and then go do something else, or do you always stay with your minefield?
I've abandoned plenty a mine field. Tank gets destroyed before I get to kill it, for example.
In that scenario, if there's a supply depot near by, I'll switch to a different logi suit. If i swap down to militia, some of theos PE/REs get destroyed, if I stay proto, they stick around.
I've had instances where I'll have abandoned a mine field, gone and supported a different point only to see +50, +50, +50 5 minutes after the fact because I stayed in a proto suit but didn't deploy any more equipment yet.
If there's no supply depot i switch to "hide and go seek and destroy" mode until I die, then the same scenario plays out as above.
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RayRay James
Titans of Phoenix
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Posted - 2015.01.09 20:58:00 -
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REDBACK96USMC wrote:Clone D wrote:Ripley Riley wrote:Solution: get in a squad. Maybe you can assist me with resolving this technical problem: Whenever I am in a squad, I experience huge amounts of lag. It's about double the amount of lag that I usually experience. Whenever I am on comms in a squad, I experience even more lag to the point that I cannot tell what is happening in the game and I just listen in to my squad to see what is happening during that battle. What can I do to fix that? I have a 25 Mbps connection with <1 ms jitter and my ps3 is fully operational and running a SSD. I use the America server (which experience shows gives me the least amount of lag). I adjusted my ps3 settings for optimal networking capabilities. I have an ethernet cable directly connected to my ps3. Oh, if there is no resolution to this problem, then is it okay with you if some people don't play in squads? Post a traceroute to the servers.
First questions should be "Are you on wireless?" |
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