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Ripley Riley
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Posted - 2015.01.07 18:49:00 -
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Run with a squad. Be their logi and let them slay, or slay while a squadmate logis. Blueberries are unreliable and incompetent. Stop depending on them to do things for you.
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Posted - 2015.01.07 19:38:00 -
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Clone D wrote:I didn't say I was depending on them. They don't do their jobs, so I do it. I'm just stating that they are not doing what is in their job description very well.
And for having pushed so hard to hold that responsibility alone, they are proving that they cannot handle it.. They're letting the team down and causing losses. Ah, so you are irritated with blueberries in general. Yeah, they are terrible.
Solution: get in a squad.
/thread
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Posted - 2015.01.07 19:44:00 -
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ADAM-OF-EVE wrote:oh look, another "i hate logistics" thread from Clone D. He is terribly upset that bandwidth exists and he can no longer farm WPs by the thousand 
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Posted - 2015.01.07 20:06:00 -
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Clone D wrote:Maybe you can assist me with resolving this technical problem I'm not your tech support Figure it out on your own. Perform a clean install of Dust 514. That helped Dust's performance on my machine.
Clone D wrote:Oh, if there is no resolution to this problem, then is it okay with you if some people don't play in squads? If you want to play solo, that's fine. Just accept that you are going to miss out on some things this game has to offer because it is a squad-based game. One of those things is the ability to coordinate equipment loadouts.
Clone D wrote:Your jabs are pointless, rip. My battle performance reflects my dominance regardless of what hoops I have to jump through. And I do it with MLT and STD gear, with hundreds of millions to spare. I have nothing to prove to you.
I only make comments about gameplay, especially when the level of fun is being constrained by losers who can't keep up. Those losers are other solo blueberries, like you. The mercs who are squadding, and their logis, are supporting one another. When they need links they say, "Hey Mark, drop some links at bravo." And then Mark ******* does it.
You are just screaming at other blues when you yourself have made the same decision they did: to run without friends.
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Posted - 2015.01.07 20:12:00 -
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Also, it's important to note that assault and commandos can fit uplinks. Uplinks are not a logi-only piece of equipment.
Forego RE's on your fittings and fit uplinks if you are really THAT upset.
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Posted - 2015.01.07 20:16:00 -
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Clone D wrote:Just because you need a squad to carry you through battle doesn't mean that logis are doing their jobs. Any time that the battlefield is completely absent of friendly uplinks, or the team is being stampeded by ground vehicles and there are no proximity explosives, a logi somewhere is not doing his / her job. That is the point of the thread. Logis aren't doing their jobs.
Ripley Riley wrote:Also, it's important to note that assault and commandos can fit uplinks. Uplinks are not a logi-only piece of equipment. Basically, what you are saying, is that blueberries aren't doing their jobs... because logis are not the only ones who can fit an uplink.
You don't like blueberries? Turn them into tealberries.
And your jabs are pointless, Clone
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Posted - 2015.01.07 20:26:00 -
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Clone D wrote:I agree, however, if you expect other roles to "assist" with the logi role, then don't limit their bandwidth so much. Need a little breathing room to do a logi's job and another job. Ya know. One of the fittings I run is an advanced assault with advanced uplinks. 2 deployable at once, 15 spawns per. I can assist an Amarr logi with dropping uplinks just fine.
Maybe you need to stop running militia and standard. You know the higher tiers of dropsuit have more bandwidth, right?
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Posted - 2015.01.07 20:31:00 -
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Clone D wrote:Yes, to resolve team uplink problems, I deploy 4 proto uplinks and then change into a proto assault suit. Still, there is an expectation for other roles to pitch in. That is what I'm saying. Many other roles are expected to be a logi helper in addition to the role that they perform. We need an additional degree of freedom in order to do two jobs at once. I know what you are trying to complain about, but really, when you boil it all down you are upset because your teammates are not pulling their weight.
At first, you were upset at specifically logi teammates, but then we pointed out that several dropsuits can fit uplinks. It's not logis that aren't pulling their weight, it's the team itself. Want a stronger team...
Wait for it...
Here it comes...
Get in a squad with 5 other mercs and coordinate your equipment loadouts.
You say that for technical reasons you can't squad up. Get those issues worked out then come back to Dust 514.
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Posted - 2015.01.07 20:46:00 -
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Clone D wrote:This is the kind of elitist exclusion that the n.a.z.i.s believed in. If you didn't meet their criteria, then you were exterminated. They had a eugenics program to propagate the perfect race.
If you can't make room for people who are different than you are, then I have to say that either you have failed to achieve complete cognitive development, or you fall into the political position called fascism.
I'm different than you. There is a place in the game for me too. <----- Start here. And here we arrive at Godwin's Law. Also, way to bypass the profanity fitler.
No one is forcing you to run in a squad, just as if no one is forcing you to run solo. You get a few advantages by running solo: you don't have to wait on Mark the logi to get finished eating dinner before you can queue up. You don't need to worry about Scotty dropping one member of the squad out of sink while the rest stay in the queue.
In exchange, you lose quite a few capabilities on the battlefield.
You are making a choice to solo. Live with it. If the negatives of soloing upset you then find a squad.
It's similar to Eve Online actually. You can go completely solo in that game if you like. Run missions, mine asteroids, build ships. It's boring though and you a loner so you lack support. You have to invest in your comrades; trust them, help them, then they help you.
TL;DR - You can absolutely solo. It's just ******* stupid.
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Posted - 2015.01.07 21:01:00 -
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Clone D wrote:If you don't want to be considered affiliated with certain political regimes, then lead the conversation with tolerance, inclusion and understanding of cultural differences. I would like to see you behave in this way so we can hold more mature conversations in the future. I'm not against your solo playstyle, Clone. Really. It's just not the playstyle that suits this game very well. You must realize this by now.
Most of the complaints you have had all stem from running solo. Why do you think that is? It's because this game isn't suited for solo play. It's a massive multiplayer online game that features things like squads and corporations; ways for players to come together, not stay apart.
I'll draw your attention back to my Eve Online statement: you CAN solo in Eve Online, it's just boring and you hamstring yourself. The same logic holds true in Dust 514.
I didn't design the game this way. CCP did. They knew what they were doing. Players who group together continue to play a game much longer than players who run by themselves.
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Posted - 2015.01.07 21:31:00 -
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Clone D wrote:Yes, while I acknowledge your perspective, the game works just fine for me as a solo player. Obviously it doesn't or you would not be posting these brilliant threads every few days.
Clone D wrote:Clearly if I play as a scout, assault or what have you, and I trade off the equipment I need to perform my role more effectively in favor of an uplink or PEs because I know that logis need help with support, then this shows a break down in the degree to which bandwidth has been implemented (only if it is expected that other roles support logis). If that is the case, then we need bandwidth to reflect that expectation.
If it is not the case and everyone should only do one role, then we need logis to do their jobs better and ensure that the equipment distribution appropriately reflects the context of that match. That responsibility is somewhat larger than a single squad. It is a team level need. This is what I gathered from these two paragraphis:
- Drop uplinks could use an increase in number of spawns. Exact numbers aren't clear at this time. Might require some examination of the current spawn allotments before I can say this is a sure thing.
- There needs to be more logi players in squads
- Amarr and Caldari (the deployable logis) might need more bandwidth
- No other dropsuit needs more bandwidth, so that logis remain the best at deploying equipment
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Posted - 2015.01.07 21:43:00 -
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Clone D wrote:My in game observations have shown that a squadded player is more apt to be pigeonholed within the squad.Who knows whether a squadded or solo player would be more likely to divert from the desired role to meet the need of the team, but a solo player is not subject to a squad leader's decisions and is at liberty to spontaneously change roles.
If there are no logis on the team, then I must bite the bullet, admit that there is a need and I have the potential to meet that need, so I ... must ... ... logi because the needs of the many are greater than the needs of the few or the one. But I just got suckered into playing a role that I do not want to play for the remainder of the match. How do you make in game observation of squadded players when you aren't in squads? Supposedly your PS3 will explode into shards of obsidian if you even lightly hover over the Invite to Squad button Let's pretend that you have been in a squad once or twice. It's obvious that you spend the majority of your time solo. You have no idea how well squads can run when they are populated by players who work well together.
Squadded players can change roles just as easily as an unsquadded player. We can do so quickly due to having immediate feedback from our squadmates.
"Sentinels in the hallway." So a mate changes to a sentinel fitting of his own.
"Scouts around alpha." So a mate switchs to an Amarr scout fitted for scan range.
"That ADS is hovering around the supply depot." The AV guy moves from alpha to the supply depot to harass the ADS.
You get the idea.
You are talking about things you have no clue about.
Clone D wrote:1. Every other role is expected to help logis do their role and pitch in
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2. Every role is expected to exclusively do what is directly related to their own functional jurisdiction.
Everyone is expected to help, to one extent or another, with another classes' role so long as doing so does not cause a role to become obsolete. Such as in the case of logi-tourism that occurred up until the point where bandwidth was introduced.
So 1, but with amendments.
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Posted - 2015.01.07 22:27:00 -
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Sentinels get 0 bandwidth. Scouts bandwidth stays the same too. Assault, logi, and commando are up for discussion.
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