Or we could remove mlt sniper and swarm fits

Expected Results:

No rubber banding as the player does not change coordinates.
No simple macro movement as it is a pattern.
No macro firing/crouching/jumping.
ISK farming should be reduced.
SP farming should be reduced.

Any suggestions on how this could be addressed and solved?

Thank you for this excellent contribution to the discussion...

Fittings are sorted alphabetically. It's the first starter fit in the list by default.

LOL. This "discussions" always about 0 WP = 0 ISK/SP. It's going around and around for 2 years now. U can't fix AFK if u don't put meaning to the game.

And if someone think that CCP is just "FIX IT" by removing passive SP, u wrong again, a lot of AFK players pay for boosters and they waiting for EVE: Legion. Killing AFK = killing money flow

So, the can FIX THE GAME, or they can shoot to the knee I don't care anymore. I have my ~100kk SP and It's end game, with that amount SP DUST can't give anything interesting.

Any suggestions on how this could be addressed and solved?

That sounds like a decision. Lets do that :3


+no players.

I like that too

Any suggestions on how this could be addressed and solved?

This might be the dumbest post on these forums, ever.

If you'd rather be able to continue AFKing than actually playing matches that reward you for doing well then I'm not sure why I'm even responding.

But to think that fixing payouts would lead to LESS money for CCP makes me feel sorry for you.

Then why don't they fix payouts ? If they don't think low isk payouts promote aurum purchases why has the risk vs reward factor never been addressed in almost 3 years.

There were too many posts in your response to SMB's post above and I'm too stupid to edit quotes so I'm going to respond here.

Aside from covering ISK losses in PC losses nobody has ever gotten ISK from PC, during locking or not in our corp. SMB doesn't PC very often anyway.

He's actually just a huge fan and supporter of Dust. Nobody that wants to see Dust succeed can be happy with the payout system nor the way matches play out most of the time.

I've seen a lot of scrubby things in this game which can be very annoying and frustrating. That being said this is a war game and anything and everything is fair in war. If it was a sport game then yes there should be strict rule because sports are all about determining who is the best under certain strict rules. War however is about winning at all cost. So, as far as I see it and as wrong as it may seem scrub moves are ok.

there must be a good formula in the vein of

(isk killed + abs(isk lost)) times pool available times wp/total team wp times win bonus multiplier

that would make you less scared of earning more WP through losses

This might be the dumbest post on these forums, ever.

If you'd rather be able to continue AFKing than actually playing matches that reward you for doing well then I'm not sure why I'm even responding.

But to think that fixing payouts would lead to LESS money for CCP makes me feel sorry for you.

I believe the best way to handle farmers is a FieldCommander, Instead of just only having squad commanders, you basicly get a one ring to rule them all type of character. This commander gets extra abbilty's to effect the war. So while everybody can call in an OB, the FC can also call in other types like carpet bombing, etc, Turrets, depots, etc. But in the case of Farming they also get an option to remove them. So first the FC select the character and presses the button/option and a warning is send to the farmer, then a countdown is started. 60 sec. After those 60 sec, the FC presses the option again, countdown starts again 60 sec. Then the FC gets an option Force removal and the farmer is removed. Or one could do a 1 time 2 min countdown, same system.

Now to make sure there is no abuse of the system. The squad commanders need to vote on it, To give the FC that power. Just a simple button/option, majority rules. So if there are 6 squads, you need a minimum of 3 votes. If there is only 1 squad and the rest is playing solo, then the FC needs only that 1 vote. This way the Farmer has 2 min to start playing when caught, then the FC can remove them. Now offcourse one could say ok what's to stop the removal when a farmer has started playing, well they get a counter action, during those 120 sec, Which forces the hole process to start over. One could also add additional warning signs on screen to alert the players to the actions beeing taken.

This way it's fair for all and hard to abuse. farmers that don't pay attention are removed from the game without pay. But it also leaves enough time for someone to respond, who just went for a bathroom break, or snacks, etc.

Not to mention having a FC on the field leaves enough room for many more fun stuff to be added into the game and anybody can take it's position.

The real question is:
Why is it always the Anti-Armor starter fits that we see squatting in a corner?

How about tying being kicked from a match to distance travelled in battle? They've been using the metric for daily missionsGǪwhy not just apply a simple ratio of time in battle to distance travelled.

I'm no good with math, so someone else help me out with the #'s...but I think this could be a robust solution.

A player running in circles could achieve that in a long match, I'm sure.

Except some of us didn't get to suckle the Passive-ISK-PC Era teet.

I can barely run standard suits and go balls out to win and break even when I lose, much less try and throw proto suits out there.

And wouldn't you love that to change?

Ahh FC roles, if only people played this game like a team based game and not like Call of Duty or King of the Hill.

That's why I strongly prefer PC and FW, pubbers are just too unorganized.

I think this is a bad idea as well.

I'm not a fan of snipers at all, 99% of them could be considered AFK by most definitions, but that's an issue for another thread.

trick is to figure out a better way, but you have to explain why proto running equals win in this case.