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Piraten Hovnoret
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Posted - 2015.01.07 08:24:00 -
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Okey it must be a way to stop this bull.
The militia fits with a swarm that just sits still the whole game got to go.
Had a game where a red swarm AFK isk farmer just resapawned every 30 sec or so at the exactly same spot.
That's just bull s-h-i-t and got to go.
I don't know what kind of scruby bull macro they are using
FIX IT CCP
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Posted - 2015.01.07 08:41:00 -
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The Infected One wrote:Respawned!? There are much easier ways to AFK than having to die, and actually be there at the controller.
When I AFK, I prefer to go drive for a burger, and come back to see the end of match screen.
The AFK isk farming got to go.
If you want to eat or do something in RL then do so but staying in the game while others play it is so scruby I lak words.
It was one of those swarm AFK dudes he spawned in I sniped him ( note I was on the enemy red line, and this was not a redline game ) he respawned at the exactly same spot every time. So I stoped shoting him and he just stood dead still at the same spot the rest of the game.
Any way the point is AFK isk farming need to get FIXED
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Posted - 2015.01.07 08:44:00 -
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Buwaro Draemon wrote:The real question is:
Why is it always the Anti-Armor starter fits that we see squatting in a corner?
THIS
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Posted - 2015.01.07 09:38:00 -
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zero shocker wrote:They are afking, when ure on the same team just shoot them in the face and annoy them till they response. I think they just keep tapping the triangle to keep from getting kick.
Bro the starter swarmer AFKer are not even there.
If you kill them they just respawn at exactly the same spot.
Nothing you do will sort this out, it needs to get addressed buy ccp
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Posted - 2015.01.07 11:42:00 -
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CommanderBolt wrote:Piraten Hovnoret wrote:The Infected One wrote:Respawned!? There are much easier ways to AFK than having to die, and actually be there at the controller.
When I AFK, I prefer to go drive for a burger, and come back to see the end of match screen. The AFK isk farming got to go. If you want to eat or do something in RL then do so but staying in the game while others play it is so scruby I lak words. It was one of those swarm AFK dudes he spawned in I sniped him ( note I was on the enemy red line, and this was not a redline game ) he respawned at the exactly same spot every time. So I stoped shoting him and he just stood dead still at the same spot the rest of the game. Any way the point is AFK isk farming need to get FIXED And how do you propose to tackle afk farming? As far as I am aware, while people may dislike it - I dont think it is in any game rules that you cannot. That being said, CCP tried and failed in the past to remove AFK'ers.
Works in destiny ( game sux buy the way )
If you ruberband the controller, or does any kind of repeting bull the game recognise that there is no variations in the controler usage, so you are removed.
We did put ppl on the mon in the 60th so fixing AFK in this time and age can't be impossible
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Posted - 2015.01.07 11:55:00 -
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GM Archduke wrote:Any suggestions on how this could be addressed and solved? 
Did not c your post before.
A skript that notice if there is no variations in the controler/keyboard usage maybee.
One other more creative sandbox thing Is that if you are on the bottom 3 on the scoreboard let's say 1 quarter into the match you are kicked from game. That can be implemented with some kind of voting system: let's say if you are bottom 3 and ( a Nr ) vote for you to be removed you are kicked with no isk payout.
What parameters to get set for voting can be under debate
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Posted - 2015.01.07 12:39:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:Piraten Hovnoret wrote:GM Archduke wrote:Any suggestions on how this could be addressed and solved? Did not c your post before. A skript that notice if there is no variations in the controler/keyboard usage maybee. One other more creative sandbox thing Is that if you are on the bottom 3 on the scoreboard let's say 1 quarter into the match you are kicked from game. That can be implemented with some kind of voting system: let's say if you are bottom 3 and ( a Nr ) vote for you to be removed you are kicked with no isk payout. What parameters to get set for voting can be under debate Regards votekicks are the most easily abused mechanic ever. If they're AFK, let up puta bolt pistol in the back of their head, and the AFK timer will throw them out of match after failing to respawn after a set time.
It does not matter if you kill them, they have some weird respawning skrit going on.
They jus come back at he same spot at the exactly same time .
Idk about abuse
If the parameters for getting up for vote is set smart it will be hard to abuse
Let's say like this ( al the conditions must be set get upp for vote )
1: you must be bottom 3 on the scoreboard
2: you must have less than 300wp
3: 6 ppl must vote you out
4: voting starts halfway into the game ( or a set timer 5-10 min)
Also when the team disides to kick a player the team don't get a new player in they have to keep on going with one man less ( or 2 or 3 ) me on a personal lvl rather play one man short than have a AFK scrub getting payed for my job
The numbers can be whatever I am just throwing them out
Regards
A more easy sugestion is at the end of the match the bottom 3 ( if less than 300wp) don't get payed ( with a voting system or just automatic idk )
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Posted - 2015.01.07 13:28:00 -
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Zindorak wrote:idc much about isk farming. I don't see any problem with it
Well it's sopose to be 16vs16 so if 1-3 players are siting and isk farming in the redline I have a problem with it.
It's not the isk it self it's the bloody fact that they don't play the game thats the problem.
Edit: I c it in 90% of the games. ( I dont play Ambush )
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Posted - 2015.01.07 14:27:00 -
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Kaze Eyrou wrote:pegasis prime wrote:GM Archduke wrote:Any suggestions on how this could be addressed and solved? If someone finishes a game with 0 kills 0 deaths and 0 wp then give them no sp and no isk simples . So.... play until I die... And then spawn in the MCC with a Swarm Launcher, press fire, press select and troll Alliance chat. Circumvented. Try again. EDIT: I also want to point out that I went 0 kills, 0 deaths, and 0 WP during an entire match EVEN THOUGH I PLAYED THE ENTIRE MATCH. Was using a special hardened Gorgon to absorb enemy fire while placing uplinks in strategic locations. Proto Uplinks 5 while using an Amarr Logistics skill 5 Protosuit made for 3 and 4 second uplinks. Not. A. Single. War Point. Now I'm regretting not taking a picture of that.
Not one spawn ? LOL who are you kidding
Even if this is the case it's not that big of a deal, you lost nothing.
Any system you put in place will have a flaw somewhere however the question is the current flaw worse with ppl sitting in the mcc the hole game or the extremly few times that you just described.
I take the later
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Posted - 2015.01.07 15:02:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:pegasis prime wrote:If someone finishes a game with 0 kills 0 deaths and 0 wp then give them no sp and no isk simples .
This is the easiest and most simple solution. Scaled up from there. No sense in giving a guy with 25 WP very much either. We have a poor enough new player experience, without removing rewards for players fresh out of the academy who can only earn 100 or so WPs per match at first. This is a terrible idea and should never be implemented if CCP ever wants new players to continue to play Dust 514 past their first public contract.
Dude 0-0-0 is not a new player experience game.
Even when I started out this game ( not a beta vet ) I knew how to make points.
I went like 2-13-100 my first games then after just a day I knew how to wp farm, I have no problem with new players doing just as bad.
But 0-0-0 that's not even trying, new players don't go 0-0-0 that's veterans farming isk nothing more nothing less.
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Posted - 2015.01.07 15:11:00 -
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John Demonsbane wrote:Oh, and the OP mentioned Destiny. There's an obvious incentive to AFK in Dust but I'm having trouble thinking of a scenario in which I would wish to do so in Destiny. Glimmer is nearly useless compared to how easy it is to get, no completely safe haven in PvP I know of(admittedly I don't do it much), and there's no passive exp, so....?
Told you destiny sux. However if you ruberband the controler ( in the raid mode ) you get kicked ( orbit )
We have tryed it, it's like you say hard to find a point to ruberband in that game however the feature is there never the less.
Oh found it out when we knocked Athion of with nades ( 2 guys nades rest jumped to the death )
When you ruberbanded the controler the game returned you to orbit.
Again destiny is crap
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Piraten Hovnoret
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Posted - 2015.01.07 15:31:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:there must be a good formula in the vein of
(isk killed + abs(isk lost)) times pool available times wp/total team wp times win bonus multiplier
that would make you less scared of earning more WP through losses
There is some good suggestions in the forums and in this thread.
I don't know your game programming, but I belive a realy low wp cap to get payed is the most simple way ( and resorse friendly ) to resolve the issue.
If you don't make let's say 100wp then no payout.
I can't in my wildest dreams belive that a new player joins this game to sit in the mcc.
It's veterans that do this.
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Piraten Hovnoret
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Posted - 2015.01.07 17:15:00 -
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serius that negative go positive is not he way to go in pub, if anything ad isk payout in FW buy that formula.
It does not address the problem with AFK abusse
I still state a realy low wp cap to get payed is the easiest and fastest way to go.
A 50-200wp cap to get any isk resolves it.
Agsain the ppl doing this are NOT the new players it's scruby veterans. A low cap like that does actully incurige game play also the 0-0-0 afkers don't want to play at al. It's a alt with the sole intent to isk farm if they have to move/drop links/etc to get a payout they won't even try. As it is now it's just to easy to AFK farm no solution vill resolve it 100% but if you make it HARDER less will do it. Quite simple realy
Let's be honest 50-200 wp is not hard to get even as a new player, and don't say a new player comes to the game to sit in the mcc farming Isk.
Sorry 4 my bad English
Oh and it's awsome that we at least have started to talk about this issue regardless of outcome.,
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Posted - 2015.01.07 21:15:00 -
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The tread is derailing with the help of ccp and cpm  it had come to be something else.
Still say a easy fix to AFK framing is a low wp cap like 100 wp.
Those that say that is to high for new ppl, well I just don't agree even if I respect your opiniun.
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Posted - 2015.01.07 22:07:00 -
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Luna McDuffing wrote:I've seen a lot of scrubby things in this game which can be very annoying and frustrating. That being said this is a war game and anything and everything is fair in war. If it was a sport game then yes there should be strict rule because sports are all about determining who is the best under certain strict rules. War however is about winning at all cost. So, as far as I see it and as wrong as it may seem scrub moves are ok.
In war (battle) if you refuse to follow a order ( like charge a point ) the officer have the right to shoot you at the spot.
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Posted - 2015.01.08 08:09:00 -
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Sir manboy and the CCP staff.
From the bottom of my hart thank you for derailing this thread.
This was about AFK isk farming not about starting/making a proto favoured payout system/mode. That's a horrible sugestion that need and deserve to be voiced at the forums in a different thread.
When reading down the opinions and sugestions on the AFK issue it boils down to 2 suggestions.
First is : A voting system of some sort to kick ppl out
Second : A low wp cap ( 50-300 have been suggested) to get a payout
I like both however the first one I belive will take CCP to mutch time and rescorses to get that thing into place. ( plz feel free to coment ccp )
The second is a easy fix and should not be that hard to get in place. The criticism to this is that new players will have a hard time getting payouts at al if this is put into place. I respect that opinion however I don't agree with it. A low wp cap ( let's say 100wp ) will remove most AFK ISK farming of course there is ways to round this but the bigger the I obstacle the bigger efort.
A low cap is also a statment "get your hands dirty" Also I state that it isn't the new players that try this game out that go strait for the mcc to sit and farm isk again that's scruby veterans that do that.
Now we come full circle. I want I honest reflection over this 2 things from ccp and sir manboy.
Then close this tread
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Posted - 2015.01.08 13:35:00 -
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John Demonsbane wrote:Piraten Hovnoret wrote:Sir manboy and the CCP staff.
From the bottom of my hart thank you for derailing this thread.
This was about AFK isk farming not about starting/making a proto favoured payout system/mode. That's a horrible sugestion that need and deserve to be voiced at the forums in a different thread.
When reading down the opinions and sugestions on the AFK issue it boils down to 2 suggestions.
First is : A voting system of some sort to kick ppl out
Second : A low wp cap ( 50-300 have been suggested) to get a payout
I like both however the first one I belive will take CCP to mutch time and rescorses to get that thing into place. ( plz feel free to coment ccp )
The second is a easy fix and should not be that hard to get in place. The criticism to this is that new players will have a hard time getting payouts at al if this is put into place. I respect that opinion however I don't agree with it. A low wp cap ( let's say 100wp ) will remove most AFK ISK farming of course there is ways to round this but the bigger the I obstacle the bigger efort.
A low cap is also a statment "get your hands dirty" Also I state that it isn't the new players that try this game out that go strait for the mcc to sit and farm isk again that's scruby veterans that do that.
Now we come full circle. I want I honest reflection over this 2 things from ccp and sir manboy.
Then close this tread You've said the underlined part a few times. Just to make sure this is clear since there are always unfortunate language barriers here that can cloud things: The reason we say that a WP cap to get a payout is bad for new players is NOT because we think new players AFK. It's because new players are not very good at the game and if one gets zero payouts once they leave the academy, even if only for 1-2 battles, then they quit and we've lost another one.
I don't share that opinion that a low wp to get payed throws any new players of.
I belive it's quite the opposite it promotes game play. Coming in new to the game having 2-4 veteran AFK alt scrubs is far more toxic to the gaming experience than a low wp cap to get paid.
Also the zero payout when under the cap ( whatever the number ) should be explained in th academy.
Idk I don't c the problem with it I have come across so many new players and they al had no problem getting 50-100wp and with some help they did wp farm within the first day.
Again having a bunch of scrub vets AFKing is far more toxic than not getting a payout for the start gaming experience overall.
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Posted - 2015.01.09 07:54:00 -
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Snugglz
It's al about AFK ISK farming. The char that does this are alts not a main char.
If you think it's okey to come into a game set up a macro then go and do whatever else than play I humbuly and respectfully disagree with that opinion as I belive most players do.
Trying to implement political or whatever it was about homo/minority's etc statments to justify AFK is ignorant if nothing else,
I can just as easy say in a democracy the majority desides what the minoroty have to except. And we can go back and forth doing dose kind of statments, that's trolling.
One thing about your post I can stand buy and respect that is when you say that you never had a problem with AFK and that you don't feel the impact from them. Now that's a personal opinion that you are in your full right to have. Even if I dont agre with it whatsoever I respect that.
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