Ever looked at the patch notes for 1.7? CCP said they would be making vehicles more 'fun' when they striped down and dumbed down much of the options and completely rebalanced all vehicles in the game. And sure you could argue that back then they were more fun to use. There were a few problems like redline rail gunners and double damage mod sica's but these were then addressed not long after.

Today however vehicles are useless. Absolutely pointless. Why is this? Ever since the hotfixes started rolling out its been nerf after nerf. First they they make the large blaster ineffective at killing infantry simple because there were a few people whining on the forums ( CCP being manipulated again ). I don't know if any of you play battlefield but infantry get owned by tanks in that game. Land a shell anywhere near a player and they are dead in one. But in Dust because the dispersion is so insanely high It's near impossible to kill the strafing heavy with a forge gun 3m in front of you before he kills you. I can't see how anyone can think that is actually fair. In battlefield infantry run from the tanks, in this game it's mostly the tanks running from the infantry.

Of course the large blaster was most commonly fitted to the madrugar which also got their heavy armour reppers nerfed to hell. That was one advantages that tank had over the gunnlogi. Now it doesn't have any. A complex light armor repper is now almost as good as a basic heavy. Thats not right.

And then the nail in the coffin. Hotfix delta. Never had I facepalmed harder in my life. The AV vs vehicle balance was actually pretty good before. Standard dropships needed a bit of a buff but all else was not too bad. Then afterburners were nerfed. Fuel injectors were nerfed. The speed of swarms was increased. ( I shed a tear when I read this ). And now they had 3 volleys. So that they could be guaranteed an easy kill. Much of the time of course the they don't even render...
The incubus once a fearsome HAV killing machine was now nothing more than an annoying mosquito to be swatted from the sky with ease by that one commando with the swarm launcher in his second weapon slot. He is using a commando mainly because it's convenient for him. So that he can shoot some infantry dead then turn around, take out and incubus all without breaking a sweat. Meanwhile the ads pilot is forced to cower away far from the action, perhaps waiting patiently for his afterburner to recharge.

CCP, before hotfix delta there were calls by some people to buff Swarms. There weren't many ADS pilots arguing with them mainly because I don't think they actually thought you guys were going to give in to them.
Everything in the hotfixes that affected vehicles modules + skills and AV needs to be rolled back.
Having it only vehicles any good at killing other vehicles makes them pointless as its the infantry that wins the battle in the end.

A disposable gorgan is the only vehicle sought after by a team of serious players and that's a very sad situation for vehicles to be in. The vehicles are what got a lot of people into this game in the first place and not having them be any fun is just ignoring a massive portion of your community and your potential community.

AV should be a deterrent. The ADS should be able to outrun swarms because we don't have countermeasures like in other games. The afterburner should recharge quickly like it once did so the game isn't frustratingly slow.

The incubus should be like an A-10 Thunderbolt. The python should be like the apache helicopter with rocket pods. The madrugar with its large blaster and fuel injector (which it relies heavily on) should be seen as the anti-infantry high mobility tank. At the moment its neither, just a prime target for commandos. A glass cannon that isn't much of a cannon and can't get its fat ass moving when it really needs to.

And LAVs absolutely suck.

My point is AV should not be massively effective against vehicles. It should be a deterrent. It should be that if someone really wants to kill a vehicle, they have to get a vehicle to kill it with.

Ever looked at the patch notes for 1.7? CCP said they would be making vehicles more 'fun' when they striped down and dumbed down much of the options and completely rebalanced all vehicles in the game. And sure you could argue that back then they were more fun to use. There were a few problems like redline rail gunners and double damage mod sica's but these were then addressed not long after.

Today however vehicles are useless. Absolutely pointless. Why is this? Ever since the hotfixes started rolling out its been nerf after nerf. First they they make the large blaster ineffective at killing infantry simple because there were a few people whining on the forums ( CCP being manipulated again ). I don't know if any of you play battlefield but infantry get owned by tanks in that game. Land a shell anywhere near a player and they are dead in one. But in Dust because the dispersion is so insanely high It's near impossible to kill the strafing heavy with a forge gun 3m in front of you before he kills you. I can't see how anyone can think that is actually fair. In battlefield infantry run from the tanks, in this game it's mostly the tanks running from the infantry.

Of course the large blaster was most commonly fitted to the madrugar which also got their heavy armour reppers nerfed to hell. That was one advantages that tank had over the gunnlogi. Now it doesn't have any. A complex light armor repper is now almost as good as a basic heavy. Thats not right.

And then the nail in the coffin. Hotfix delta. Never had I facepalmed harder in my life. The AV vs vehicle balance was actually pretty good before. Standard dropships needed a bit of a buff but all else was not too bad. Then afterburners were nerfed. Fuel injectors were nerfed. The speed of swarms was increased. ( I shed a tear when I read this ). And now they had 3 volleys. So that they could be guaranteed an easy kill. Much of the time of course the they don't even render...
The incubus once a fearsome HAV killing machine was now nothing more than an annoying mosquito to be swatted from the sky with ease by that one commando with the swarm launcher in his second weapon slot. He is using a commando mainly because it's convenient for him. So that he can shoot some infantry dead then turn around, take out and incubus all without breaking a sweat. Meanwhile the ads pilot is forced to cower away far from the action, perhaps waiting patiently for his afterburner to recharge.

CCP, before hotfix delta there were calls by some people to buff Swarms. There weren't many ADS pilots arguing with them mainly because I don't think they actually thought you guys were going to give in to them.
Everything in the hotfixes that affected vehicles modules + skills and AV needs to be rolled back.
Having it only vehicles any good at killing other vehicles makes them pointless as its the infantry that wins the battle in the end.

A disposable gorgan is the only vehicle sought after by a team of serious players and that's a very sad situation for vehicles to be in. The vehicles are what got a lot of people into this game in the first place and not having them be any fun is just ignoring a massive portion of your community and your potential community.

AV should be a deterrent. The ADS should be able to outrun swarms because we don't have countermeasures like in other games. The afterburner should recharge quickly like it once did so the game isn't frustratingly slow.

The incubus should be like an A-10 Thunderbolt. The python should be like the apache helicopter with rocket pods. The madrugar with its large blaster and fuel injector (which it relies heavily on) should be seen as the anti-infantry high mobility tank. At the moment its neither, just a prime target for commandos. A glass cannon that isn't much of a cannon and can't get its fat ass moving when it really needs to.

And LAVs absolutely suck.

It seems to me that the people who invest heavily into vehicles are pretty dominant.

A good tank (usually two) can dominate a match

I usually see tanks laugh at my swarms and either kill me quickly or run away faster than my swarms can lock on.

The way av is set up is a joke as YOU ARE INVINCIBLE TO ALL BUT TWO WEAPONS.

As infantry I have to either try to avoid you or either die/spawn in av or run back to supply and get av - which is a waste of time in most cases

You want fair? Remove the blaster turret from the game. It's only job is to farm infantry.

In its place you can have higher shield/armor levels and maybe add splash damage back to rail turrets

See, this why my tanks are Large Rail turret, Small Blaster on the front and small rail at the back. If someone gets too close and becomes a threat, I switch to my Small Blaster and make short work of them.
However, my only issue with vehicles is that you can't refuse access to other players. Gets quite frustrating when I can't use my small blaster because there's a useless blueb in it who's unable to hit a guy 5m from him -_-

Ever looked at the patch notes for 1.7? CCP said they would be making vehicles more 'fun' when they striped down and dumbed down much of the options and completely rebalanced all vehicles in the game. And sure you could argue that back then they were more fun to use. There were a few problems like redline rail gunners and double damage mod sica's but these were then addressed not long after.

Today however vehicles are useless. Absolutely pointless. Why is this? Ever since the hotfixes started rolling out its been nerf after nerf. First they they make the large blaster ineffective at killing infantry simple because there were a few people whining on the forums ( CCP being manipulated again ). I don't know if any of you play battlefield but infantry get owned by tanks in that game. Land a shell anywhere near a player and they are dead in one. But in Dust because the dispersion is so insanely high It's near impossible to kill the strafing heavy with a forge gun 3m in front of you before he kills you. I can't see how anyone can think that is actually fair. In battlefield infantry run from the tanks, in this game it's mostly the tanks running from the infantry.

Of course the large blaster was most commonly fitted to the madrugar which also got their heavy armour reppers nerfed to hell. That was one advantages that tank had over the gunnlogi. Now it doesn't have any. A complex light armor repper is now almost as good as a basic heavy. Thats not right.

And then the nail in the coffin. Hotfix delta. Never had I facepalmed harder in my life. The AV vs vehicle balance was actually pretty good before. Standard dropships needed a bit of a buff but all else was not too bad. Then afterburners were nerfed. Fuel injectors were nerfed. The speed of swarms was increased. ( I shed a tear when I read this ). And now they had 3 volleys. So that they could be guaranteed an easy kill. Much of the time of course the they don't even render...
The incubus once a fearsome HAV killing machine was now nothing more than an annoying mosquito to be swatted from the sky with ease by that one commando with the swarm launcher in his second weapon slot. He is using a commando mainly because it's convenient for him. So that he can shoot some infantry dead then turn around, take out and incubus all without breaking a sweat. Meanwhile the ads pilot is forced to cower away far from the action, perhaps waiting patiently for his afterburner to recharge.

CCP, before hotfix delta there were calls by some people to buff Swarms. There weren't many ADS pilots arguing with them mainly because I don't think they actually thought you guys were going to give in to them.
Everything in the hotfixes that affected vehicles modules + skills and AV needs to be rolled back.
Having it only vehicles any good at killing other vehicles makes them pointless as its the infantry that wins the battle in the end.

A disposable gorgan is the only vehicle sought after by a team of serious players and that's a very sad situation for vehicles to be in. The vehicles are what got a lot of people into this game in the first place and not having them be any fun is just ignoring a massive portion of your community and your potential community.

AV should be a deterrent. The ADS should be able to outrun swarms because we don't have countermeasures like in other games. The afterburner should recharge quickly like it once did so the game isn't frustratingly slow.

The incubus should be like an A-10 Thunderbolt. The python should be like the apache helicopter with rocket pods. The madrugar with its large blaster and fuel injector (which it relies heavily on) should be seen as the anti-infantry high mobility tank. At the moment its neither, just a prime target for commandos. A glass cannon that isn't much of a cannon and can't get its fat ass moving when it really needs to.

And LAVs absolutely suck.

My point is AV should not be massively effective against vehicles. It should be a deterrent. It should be that if someone really wants to kill a vehicle, they have to get a vehicle to kill it with.

Ever looked at the patch notes for 1.7? CCP said they would be making vehicles more 'fun' when they striped down and dumbed down much of the options and completely rebalanced all vehicles in the game. And sure you could argue that back then they were more fun to use. There were a few problems like redline rail gunners and double damage mod sica's but these were then addressed not long after.

Today however vehicles are useless. Absolutely pointless. Why is this? Ever since the hotfixes started rolling out its been nerf after nerf. First they they make the large blaster ineffective at killing infantry simple because there were a few people whining on the forums ( CCP being manipulated again ). I don't know if any of you play battlefield but infantry get owned by tanks in that game. Land a shell anywhere near a player and they are dead in one. But in Dust because the dispersion is so insanely high It's near impossible to kill the strafing heavy with a forge gun 3m in front of you before he kills you. I can't see how anyone can think that is actually fair. In battlefield infantry run from the tanks, in this game it's mostly the tanks running from the infantry.

Of course the large blaster was most commonly fitted to the madrugar which also got their heavy armour reppers nerfed to hell. That was one advantages that tank had over the gunnlogi. Now it doesn't have any. A complex light armor repper is now almost as good as a basic heavy. Thats not right.

And then the nail in the coffin. Hotfix delta. Never had I facepalmed harder in my life. The AV vs vehicle balance was actually pretty good before. Standard dropships needed a bit of a buff but all else was not too bad. Then afterburners were nerfed. Fuel injectors were nerfed. The speed of swarms was increased. ( I shed a tear when I read this ). And now they had 3 volleys. So that they could be guaranteed an easy kill. Much of the time of course the they don't even render...
The incubus once a fearsome HAV killing machine was now nothing more than an annoying mosquito to be swatted from the sky with ease by that one commando with the swarm launcher in his second weapon slot. He is using a commando mainly because it's convenient for him. So that he can shoot some infantry dead then turn around, take out and incubus all without breaking a sweat. Meanwhile the ads pilot is forced to cower away far from the action, perhaps waiting patiently for his afterburner to recharge.

CCP, before hotfix delta there were calls by some people to buff Swarms. There weren't many ADS pilots arguing with them mainly because I don't think they actually thought you guys were going to give in to them.
Everything in the hotfixes that affected vehicles modules + skills and AV needs to be rolled back.
Having it only vehicles any good at killing other vehicles makes them pointless as its the infantry that wins the battle in the end.

A disposable gorgan is the only vehicle sought after by a team of serious players and that's a very sad situation for vehicles to be in. The vehicles are what got a lot of people into this game in the first place and not having them be any fun is just ignoring a massive portion of your community and your potential community.

AV should be a deterrent. The ADS should be able to outrun swarms because we don't have countermeasures like in other games. The afterburner should recharge quickly like it once did so the game isn't frustratingly slow.

The incubus should be like an A-10 Thunderbolt. The python should be like the apache helicopter with rocket pods. The madrugar with its large blaster and fuel injector (which it relies heavily on) should be seen as the anti-infantry high mobility tank. At the moment its neither, just a prime target for commandos. A glass cannon that isn't much of a cannon and can't get its fat ass moving when it really needs to.

And LAVs absolutely suck.

I could say the same..

COD ========================================> That way.

There are way more things that can kill tanks than just three weapons like PLC, SL, FG. For example, scrubs can now sit on the turrets placed in their redline and kill all the tanks they want because LOL 15000 eHP turrets have 3x the HP as a tank. Jilhad jeeps are super common. Warbarrages now seem too reck tanks especially the Laser major one. Hell, even the 300 minor flux will drop all the shields of a gunnlogi.

Also, keep in mind infantry with AV almost 90% of the time have the advantage. Now only are we ineffective at killing tanks but half the time we can't even tell where were getting shot from.

Swarms are as EZ mode as it gets.

I could say the same..

COD ========================================> That way.

I love how idiot tank drivers only consider the cost of the weapon in SP/ISK.

Every time youdo that I'm going to start comparing the cost of my weapon to the cost of your turret. And emphasisze that since it's the only part of the fit that actually kills it's the only valid cost to compare.

I love how idiot tank drivers only consider the cost of the weapon in SP/ISK.

Every time youdo that I'm going to start comparing the cost of my weapon to the cost of your turret. And emphasisze that since it's the only part of the fit that actually kills it's the only valid cost to compare.

When the cost of your suit is 455,000 ISK, then you may start to complain. Until that, refrain from posting on any thread related to vehicles.