And then you get a squad that just wants to have fun, call in LAVs and race around flicking birds at your 'srsbsns' gameplay.

If an attack drop ship is on map,
a drop ship is great for ramming it.
Much easier than trying the whole match with swarms.
Thats 1 vehicle that works at least.

See, this why my tanks are Large Rail turret, Small Blaster on the front and small rail at the back. If someone gets too close and becomes a threat, I switch to my Small Blaster and make short work of them.
However, my only issue with vehicles is that you can't refuse access to other players. Gets quite frustrating when I can't use my small blaster because there's a useless blueb in it who's unable to hit a guy 5m from him -_-

I remember those times where vehicles were really funny, tank battles were in a pro lvl there was a huge difference between being good or a nooby, like dropsuits, right now they are pretty bad, also there were another variations of tanks, madrugar, Surya, kubera, vayu, sgaris chacram etc etc, not only in tanks, in general.
Vehicles had a lot of modules, tactics, turrets, it was funny, also supporting those marauder class were their price was almost 3 million isk, right now any scrub is able to keep tanks running, there's no difference between them, not creative, really ez to lose them if u don't play really ######## running from place to place.
After those funny changes that I don't really want to remember... Vehicles became boring.... They don't deserve my time, sp, isk...
If u didn't play beta times, u won't understand how funny was driving tanks, lavs, or flying ds.

BE CAREFUL FOR ONCE!!! Vehicles aren't meant to be a one man army! Team mates are usually pretty dang good at killing Commandos and Forge Gunners and cover also helps. Oh boo hoo something kills me guess what odds are you were acting like an idiot driving around like you are invincible (that's the customers at Walmarts job).

I've yet to kill a tank driver that knows what the hell they are doing and doesn't charge full speed ahead into every situation! In fact the only reason I've killed Madrugars with a Sica in the first place was because they were acting like idiots and think a missile turret won't touch them.

See a Swarm Launcher? Retreat behind cover little do you know your tank is faster then many Commandos. Sick of them killing you maybe switch to a Gunnlogi and pop a Shield Booster and Hardener to buy you some more time to realize that maybe you aren't as indestructible.

I'm sympathetic most the time to ADS pilots since they are so exposed and I do support pilots getting a countermeasure mod or something but no one wants to go back to ADS being easy mode and indestructible for an entire match which seems like all anyone wants to do. Pop a shield boost and a hardener and pick your targets instead of attacking the same person over and over and over again.

Then get a Gunnlogi or try for triple armor repair I hear thats effective. Forge Guns and Swarms get a bonus for armor damage so run a Gunnlogi and problem solved. And that Madrugar that was fleeing behind cover and back to the MCC faster then a CalCommando proves otherwise.

All i have to say is that if you tanks get blown up easily by swarms then learn to fit your tanks and how to pilot them. i run into alot of tankers tankers that stop to shoot a a single target, find a way to get them selfs stuck chase some one up hill and well as may poorly fitted tanks. yes i do tank from time to time swarms are not OP you are just bad tanker.

Average suit TTK is about 1.75-3.0 seconds for a protosuit. With every weapon but swarms. Some TTKs are instantaneous, but those are generally niche weapons or skill intensive weapons.

Average HAV TTK varies between 10-16 full seconds. Only AV weapons. The only way to instantaneously kill HAVs is to either JLAV them, or Plant 3 REs on their tailpipe, something only a logi can now do. Something a logi is very ill equipped to do.

If 10-16seconds isn't enough time to protect your wannabe murderwagon...

...then get ******* gud, Spkr. And stop your incessant bitching

If you can't kill a dropsuit, any dropsuit at all, within 10-16, with any of the large turrets...
...then you need to get ******* gud, Toolbar.

Even with the Blaster dispersion being what it is, a ******* toddler could do that. And if you can't, well then maybe you should run away, any smart infantry knows when to push and when to run.

LOL no not really i mean look at what Sir said even in this thread



quote from sir dukey from this thread " If that one person is smart he should be able to keep tank at bay but not destroy it unless tank has stupid driver. "

Is that your fallback argument for anytime you are backed into a corner with logic that goes against your biases and opinions?
"Ur jus complaining that ur rifle cannt kill me, hurr durr."

Nowhere did I even hint that I think rifles should be effective against vehicles, and I never have in the past.

Get gud. Judging by how much you cry, I'm probably a better tanker than you, and I haven't really driven one since Chromosome.

Again, complaining that your turrets can't kill infantry. Can't you guys come up with something better?

I primarily Tank or Logi and I agree vehicles need a new tier up with how very effective AV works against all but to be fair if a Tanker or Drop ship pilot doesn't avoid AV and just takes the beating they deserve to blow up. Nobody's invincible. As effective as AV is do you think an HP buff would help even the odds to make vehicles more viable?

I don't want SL speed reduced, and I don't want clip reduced.

I want Tanks and vehicles to have a way to fight back infantry AV.
I want my blaster turret to return to it's glory like in chromosome. Everything else I agree.

Pfff some times I wonder if you tank at all.

LOL im sorry but my Marine and Sailor friends that im reading this to are laughing and calling bull. if you want to go the real life route tanks operate using a system called "combined arms" this is because while modern m1 abrams have thermoptics they are only able to see what they are actively looking at.

In order to improve the survivability of tanks in close combat situations( the tank's nemsis) extensive modification has been done to the m1 Abrams lately. One of these modifications is a phone on the back of the tank so that infantry operating WITH the tank can pick it up and tell the tc(tank commander) about danger ahead. This is important because a rpg7vl can punch through 750mm of armor, that's 29 inches of armor. While the face of the turret has plenty of armor to absorb that the sides of the tank do not, which is again why reactive armor has been added weighing down on the armor in an effort to improve the survivability of the tank.

In the end irl the close combat belongs to the infantry, tanks are supposed to control the battle and position the battle by operating either in packs or in infantry concert. The worst nightmare for a tank in any era of history is for hostile infantry to be crawling all over it. In ww2 in the bocage german infantry shredded allied armor because the fighting range was <50m which put all tanks in a situation ripe for ambush from a panzerfaust that would knock out any allied tank without effort. The germans made 6,000,000 of those rockets, while we made 50,000 shermans.... Yeah....

So yeah, since you pulled Irl into this then lets just leave it with this. You should operate with other tanks watching your back, or with infantry support. YOUR TANK IS NOT MEANT FOR CLOSE COMBAT. If your within 25m of enemy infantry your a ******* moron. USE YOUR TANK MACHINEGUN and stop bitching that the cannon which is meant for anti tank duty is not effective against infantry in game.