And then you get a squad that just wants to have fun, call in LAVs and race around flicking birds at your 'srsbsns' gameplay.

If an attack drop ship is on map,
a drop ship is great for ramming it.
Much easier than trying the whole match with swarms.
Thats 1 vehicle that works at least.

See, this why my tanks are Large Rail turret, Small Blaster on the front and small rail at the back. If someone gets too close and becomes a threat, I switch to my Small Blaster and make short work of them.
However, my only issue with vehicles is that you can't refuse access to other players. Gets quite frustrating when I can't use my small blaster because there's a useless blueb in it who's unable to hit a guy 5m from him -_-

I remember those times where vehicles were really funny, tank battles were in a pro lvl there was a huge difference between being good or a nooby, like dropsuits, right now they are pretty bad, also there were another variations of tanks, madrugar, Surya, kubera, vayu, sgaris chacram etc etc, not only in tanks, in general.
Vehicles had a lot of modules, tactics, turrets, it was funny, also supporting those marauder class were their price was almost 3 million isk, right now any scrub is able to keep tanks running, there's no difference between them, not creative, really ez to lose them if u don't play really ######## running from place to place.
After those funny changes that I don't really want to remember... Vehicles became boring.... They don't deserve my time, sp, isk...
If u didn't play beta times, u won't understand how funny was driving tanks, lavs, or flying ds.

BE CAREFUL FOR ONCE!!! Vehicles aren't meant to be a one man army! Team mates are usually pretty dang good at killing Commandos and Forge Gunners and cover also helps. Oh boo hoo something kills me guess what odds are you were acting like an idiot driving around like you are invincible (that's the customers at Walmarts job).

I've yet to kill a tank driver that knows what the hell they are doing and doesn't charge full speed ahead into every situation! In fact the only reason I've killed Madrugars with a Sica in the first place was because they were acting like idiots and think a missile turret won't touch them.

See a Swarm Launcher? Retreat behind cover little do you know your tank is faster then many Commandos. Sick of them killing you maybe switch to a Gunnlogi and pop a Shield Booster and Hardener to buy you some more time to realize that maybe you aren't as indestructible.

I'm sympathetic most the time to ADS pilots since they are so exposed and I do support pilots getting a countermeasure mod or something but no one wants to go back to ADS being easy mode and indestructible for an entire match which seems like all anyone wants to do. Pop a shield boost and a hardener and pick your targets instead of attacking the same person over and over and over again.

Ever looked at the patch notes for 1.7? CCP said they would be making vehicles more 'fun' when they striped down and dumbed down much of the options and completely rebalanced all vehicles in the game. And sure you could argue that back then they were more fun to use. There were a few problems like redline rail gunners and double damage mod sica's but these were then addressed not long after.

Today however vehicles are useless. Absolutely pointless. Why is this? Ever since the hotfixes started rolling out its been nerf after nerf. First they they make the large blaster ineffective at killing infantry simple because there were a few people whining on the forums ( CCP being manipulated again ). I don't know if any of you play battlefield but infantry get owned by tanks in that game. Land a shell anywhere near a player and they are dead in one. But in Dust because the dispersion is so insanely high It's near impossible to kill the strafing heavy with a forge gun 3m in front of you before he kills you. I can't see how anyone can think that is actually fair. In battlefield infantry run from the tanks, in this game it's mostly the tanks running from the infantry.

Of course the large blaster was most commonly fitted to the madrugar which also got their heavy armour reppers nerfed to hell. That was one advantages that tank had over the gunnlogi. Now it doesn't have any. A complex light armor repper is now almost as good as a basic heavy. Thats not right.

And then the nail in the coffin. Hotfix delta. Never had I facepalmed harder in my life. The AV vs vehicle balance was actually pretty good before. Standard dropships needed a bit of a buff but all else was not too bad. Then afterburners were nerfed. Fuel injectors were nerfed. The speed of swarms was increased. ( I shed a tear when I read this ). And now they had 3 volleys. So that they could be guaranteed an easy kill. Much of the time of course the they don't even render...
The incubus once a fearsome HAV killing machine was now nothing more than an annoying mosquito to be swatted from the sky with ease by that one commando with the swarm launcher in his second weapon slot. He is using a commando mainly because it's convenient for him. So that he can shoot some infantry dead then turn around, take out and incubus all without breaking a sweat. Meanwhile the ads pilot is forced to cower away far from the action, perhaps waiting patiently for his afterburner to recharge.

CCP, before hotfix delta there were calls by some people to buff Swarms. There weren't many ADS pilots arguing with them mainly because I don't think they actually thought you guys were going to give in to them.
Everything in the hotfixes that affected vehicles modules + skills and AV needs to be rolled back.
Having it only vehicles any good at killing other vehicles makes them pointless as its the infantry that wins the battle in the end.

A disposable gorgan is the only vehicle sought after by a team of serious players and that's a very sad situation for vehicles to be in. The vehicles are what got a lot of people into this game in the first place and not having them be any fun is just ignoring a massive portion of your community and your potential community.

AV should be a deterrent. The ADS should be able to outrun swarms because we don't have countermeasures like in other games. The afterburner should recharge quickly like it once did so the game isn't frustratingly slow.

The incubus should be like an A-10 Thunderbolt. The python should be like the apache helicopter with rocket pods. The madrugar with its large blaster and fuel injector (which it relies heavily on) should be seen as the anti-infantry high mobility tank. At the moment its neither, just a prime target for commandos. A glass cannon that isn't much of a cannon and can't get its fat ass moving when it really needs to.

And LAVs absolutely suck.

I don't go mindlessly charging into battle, okay. I spawn a HAV and first start looking at the map to see what the other team has called in. And you are still not disproving my point that the madrugar is far too weak against AV and often can't get away with the slow recharge of the fuel injector.

My point is AV should not be massively effective against vehicles. It should be a deterrent. It should be that if someone really wants to kill a vehicle, they have to get a vehicle to kill it with.

Then get a Gunnlogi or try for triple armor repair I hear thats effective. Forge Guns and Swarms get a bonus for armor damage so run a Gunnlogi and problem solved. And that Madrugar that was fleeing behind cover and back to the MCC faster then a CalCommando proves otherwise.

A big con of that fit is that its very weak against other tanks

Ever looked at the patch notes for 1.7? CCP said they would be making vehicles more 'fun' when they striped down and dumbed down much of the options and completely rebalanced all vehicles in the game. And sure you could argue that back then they were more fun to use. There were a few problems like redline rail gunners and double damage mod sica's but these were then addressed not long after.

Today however vehicles are useless. Absolutely pointless. Why is this? Ever since the hotfixes started rolling out its been nerf after nerf. First they they make the large blaster ineffective at killing infantry simple because there were a few people whining on the forums ( CCP being manipulated again ). I don't know if any of you play battlefield but infantry get owned by tanks in that game. Land a shell anywhere near a player and they are dead in one. But in Dust because the dispersion is so insanely high It's near impossible to kill the strafing heavy with a forge gun 3m in front of you before he kills you. I can't see how anyone can think that is actually fair. In battlefield infantry run from the tanks, in this game it's mostly the tanks running from the infantry.

Of course the large blaster was most commonly fitted to the madrugar which also got their heavy armour reppers nerfed to hell. That was one advantages that tank had over the gunnlogi. Now it doesn't have any. A complex light armor repper is now almost as good as a basic heavy. Thats not right.

And then the nail in the coffin. Hotfix delta. Never had I facepalmed harder in my life. The AV vs vehicle balance was actually pretty good before. Standard dropships needed a bit of a buff but all else was not too bad. Then afterburners were nerfed. Fuel injectors were nerfed. The speed of swarms was increased. ( I shed a tear when I read this ). And now they had 3 volleys. So that they could be guaranteed an easy kill. Much of the time of course the they don't even render...
The incubus once a fearsome HAV killing machine was now nothing more than an annoying mosquito to be swatted from the sky with ease by that one commando with the swarm launcher in his second weapon slot. He is using a commando mainly because it's convenient for him. So that he can shoot some infantry dead then turn around, take out and incubus all without breaking a sweat. Meanwhile the ads pilot is forced to cower away far from the action, perhaps waiting patiently for his afterburner to recharge.

CCP, before hotfix delta there were calls by some people to buff Swarms. There weren't many ADS pilots arguing with them mainly because I don't think they actually thought you guys were going to give in to them.
Everything in the hotfixes that affected vehicles modules + skills and AV needs to be rolled back.
Having it only vehicles any good at killing other vehicles makes them pointless as its the infantry that wins the battle in the end.

A disposable gorgan is the only vehicle sought after by a team of serious players and that's a very sad situation for vehicles to be in. The vehicles are what got a lot of people into this game in the first place and not having them be any fun is just ignoring a massive portion of your community and your potential community.

AV should be a deterrent. The ADS should be able to outrun swarms because we don't have countermeasures like in other games. The afterburner should recharge quickly like it once did so the game isn't frustratingly slow.

The incubus should be like an A-10 Thunderbolt. The python should be like the apache helicopter with rocket pods. The madrugar with its large blaster and fuel injector (which it relies heavily on) should be seen as the anti-infantry high mobility tank. At the moment its neither, just a prime target for commandos. A glass cannon that isn't much of a cannon and can't get its fat ass moving when it really needs to.

And LAVs absolutely suck.

I don't go mindlessly charging into battle, okay. I spawn a HAV and first start looking at the map to see what the other team has called in. And you are still not disproving my point that the madrugar is far too weak against AV and often can't get away with the slow recharge of the fuel injector.

My point is AV should not be massively effective against vehicles. It should be a deterrent. It should be that if someone really wants to kill a vehicle, they have to get a vehicle to kill it with.

My point is AV should not be massively effective against vehicles. It should be a deterrent. It should be that if someone really wants to kill a vehicle, they have to get a vehicle to kill it with.

Ever looked at the patch notes for 1.7? CCP said they would be making vehicles more 'fun' when they striped down and dumbed down much of the options and completely rebalanced all vehicles in the game. And sure you could argue that back then they were more fun to use. There were a few problems like redline rail gunners and double damage mod sica's but these were then addressed not long after.

Today however vehicles are useless. Absolutely pointless. Why is this? Ever since the hotfixes started rolling out its been nerf after nerf. First they they make the large blaster ineffective at killing infantry simple because there were a few people whining on the forums ( CCP being manipulated again ). I don't know if any of you play battlefield but infantry get owned by tanks in that game. Land a shell anywhere near a player and they are dead in one. But in Dust because the dispersion is so insanely high It's near impossible to kill the strafing heavy with a forge gun 3m in front of you before he kills you. I can't see how anyone can think that is actually fair. In battlefield infantry run from the tanks, in this game it's mostly the tanks running from the infantry.

Of course the large blaster was most commonly fitted to the madrugar which also got their heavy armour reppers nerfed to hell. That was one advantages that tank had over the gunnlogi. Now it doesn't have any. A complex light armor repper is now almost as good as a basic heavy. Thats not right.

And then the nail in the coffin. Hotfix delta. Never had I facepalmed harder in my life. The AV vs vehicle balance was actually pretty good before. Standard dropships needed a bit of a buff but all else was not too bad. Then afterburners were nerfed. Fuel injectors were nerfed. The speed of swarms was increased. ( I shed a tear when I read this ). And now they had 3 volleys. So that they could be guaranteed an easy kill. Much of the time of course the they don't even render...
The incubus once a fearsome HAV killing machine was now nothing more than an annoying mosquito to be swatted from the sky with ease by that one commando with the swarm launcher in his second weapon slot. He is using a commando mainly because it's convenient for him. So that he can shoot some infantry dead then turn around, take out and incubus all without breaking a sweat. Meanwhile the ads pilot is forced to cower away far from the action, perhaps waiting patiently for his afterburner to recharge.

CCP, before hotfix delta there were calls by some people to buff Swarms. There weren't many ADS pilots arguing with them mainly because I don't think they actually thought you guys were going to give in to them.
Everything in the hotfixes that affected vehicles modules + skills and AV needs to be rolled back.
Having it only vehicles any good at killing other vehicles makes them pointless as its the infantry that wins the battle in the end.

A disposable gorgan is the only vehicle sought after by a team of serious players and that's a very sad situation for vehicles to be in. The vehicles are what got a lot of people into this game in the first place and not having them be any fun is just ignoring a massive portion of your community and your potential community.

AV should be a deterrent. The ADS should be able to outrun swarms because we don't have countermeasures like in other games. The afterburner should recharge quickly like it once did so the game isn't frustratingly slow.

The incubus should be like an A-10 Thunderbolt. The python should be like the apache helicopter with rocket pods. The madrugar with its large blaster and fuel injector (which it relies heavily on) should be seen as the anti-infantry high mobility tank. At the moment its neither, just a prime target for commandos. A glass cannon that isn't much of a cannon and can't get its fat ass moving when it really needs to.

And LAVs absolutely suck.