Ever looked at the patch notes for 1.7? CCP said they would be making vehicles more 'fun' when they striped down and dumbed down much of the options and completely rebalanced all vehicles in the game. And sure you could argue that back then they were more fun to use. There were a few problems like redline rail gunners and double damage mod sica's but these were then addressed not long after.

Today however vehicles are useless. Absolutely pointless. Why is this? Ever since the hotfixes started rolling out its been nerf after nerf. First they they make the large blaster ineffective at killing infantry simple because there were a few people whining on the forums ( CCP being manipulated again ). I don't know if any of you play battlefield but infantry get owned by tanks in that game. Land a shell anywhere near a player and they are dead in one. But in Dust because the dispersion is so insanely high It's near impossible to kill the strafing heavy with a forge gun 3m in front of you before he kills you. I can't see how anyone can think that is actually fair. In battlefield infantry run from the tanks, in this game it's mostly the tanks running from the infantry.

Of course the large blaster was most commonly fitted to the madrugar which also got their heavy armour reppers nerfed to hell. That was one advantages that tank had over the gunnlogi. Now it doesn't have any. A complex light armor repper is now almost as good as a basic heavy. Thats not right.

And then the nail in the coffin. Hotfix delta. Never had I facepalmed harder in my life. The AV vs vehicle balance was actually pretty good before. Standard dropships needed a bit of a buff but all else was not too bad. Then afterburners were nerfed. Fuel injectors were nerfed. The speed of swarms was increased. ( I shed a tear when I read this ). And now they had 3 volleys. So that they could be guaranteed an easy kill. Much of the time of course the they don't even render...
The incubus once a fearsome HAV killing machine was now nothing more than an annoying mosquito to be swatted from the sky with ease by that one commando with the swarm launcher in his second weapon slot. He is using a commando mainly because it's convenient for him. So that he can shoot some infantry dead then turn around, take out and incubus all without breaking a sweat. Meanwhile the ads pilot is forced to cower away far from the action, perhaps waiting patiently for his afterburner to recharge.

CCP, before hotfix delta there were calls by some people to buff Swarms. There weren't many ADS pilots arguing with them mainly because I don't think they actually thought you guys were going to give in to them.
Everything in the hotfixes that affected vehicles modules + skills and AV needs to be rolled back.
Having it only vehicles any good at killing other vehicles makes them pointless as its the infantry that wins the battle in the end.

A disposable gorgan is the only vehicle sought after by a team of serious players and that's a very sad situation for vehicles to be in. The vehicles are what got a lot of people into this game in the first place and not having them be any fun is just ignoring a massive portion of your community and your potential community.

AV should be a deterrent. The ADS should be able to outrun swarms because we don't have countermeasures like in other games. The afterburner should recharge quickly like it once did so the game isn't frustratingly slow.

The incubus should be like an A-10 Thunderbolt. The python should be like the apache helicopter with rocket pods. The madrugar with its large blaster and fuel injector (which it relies heavily on) should be seen as the anti-infantry high mobility tank. At the moment its neither, just a prime target for commandos. A glass cannon that isn't much of a cannon and can't get its fat ass moving when it really needs to.

And LAVs absolutely suck.

My point is AV should not be massively effective against vehicles. It should be a deterrent. It should be that if someone really wants to kill a vehicle, they have to get a vehicle to kill it with.

Ever looked at the patch notes for 1.7? CCP said they would be making vehicles more 'fun' when they striped down and dumbed down much of the options and completely rebalanced all vehicles in the game. And sure you could argue that back then they were more fun to use. There were a few problems like redline rail gunners and double damage mod sica's but these were then addressed not long after.

Today however vehicles are useless. Absolutely pointless. Why is this? Ever since the hotfixes started rolling out its been nerf after nerf. First they they make the large blaster ineffective at killing infantry simple because there were a few people whining on the forums ( CCP being manipulated again ). I don't know if any of you play battlefield but infantry get owned by tanks in that game. Land a shell anywhere near a player and they are dead in one. But in Dust because the dispersion is so insanely high It's near impossible to kill the strafing heavy with a forge gun 3m in front of you before he kills you. I can't see how anyone can think that is actually fair. In battlefield infantry run from the tanks, in this game it's mostly the tanks running from the infantry.

Of course the large blaster was most commonly fitted to the madrugar which also got their heavy armour reppers nerfed to hell. That was one advantages that tank had over the gunnlogi. Now it doesn't have any. A complex light armor repper is now almost as good as a basic heavy. Thats not right.

And then the nail in the coffin. Hotfix delta. Never had I facepalmed harder in my life. The AV vs vehicle balance was actually pretty good before. Standard dropships needed a bit of a buff but all else was not too bad. Then afterburners were nerfed. Fuel injectors were nerfed. The speed of swarms was increased. ( I shed a tear when I read this ). And now they had 3 volleys. So that they could be guaranteed an easy kill. Much of the time of course the they don't even render...
The incubus once a fearsome HAV killing machine was now nothing more than an annoying mosquito to be swatted from the sky with ease by that one commando with the swarm launcher in his second weapon slot. He is using a commando mainly because it's convenient for him. So that he can shoot some infantry dead then turn around, take out and incubus all without breaking a sweat. Meanwhile the ads pilot is forced to cower away far from the action, perhaps waiting patiently for his afterburner to recharge.

CCP, before hotfix delta there were calls by some people to buff Swarms. There weren't many ADS pilots arguing with them mainly because I don't think they actually thought you guys were going to give in to them.
Everything in the hotfixes that affected vehicles modules + skills and AV needs to be rolled back.
Having it only vehicles any good at killing other vehicles makes them pointless as its the infantry that wins the battle in the end.

A disposable gorgan is the only vehicle sought after by a team of serious players and that's a very sad situation for vehicles to be in. The vehicles are what got a lot of people into this game in the first place and not having them be any fun is just ignoring a massive portion of your community and your potential community.

AV should be a deterrent. The ADS should be able to outrun swarms because we don't have countermeasures like in other games. The afterburner should recharge quickly like it once did so the game isn't frustratingly slow.

The incubus should be like an A-10 Thunderbolt. The python should be like the apache helicopter with rocket pods. The madrugar with its large blaster and fuel injector (which it relies heavily on) should be seen as the anti-infantry high mobility tank. At the moment its neither, just a prime target for commandos. A glass cannon that isn't much of a cannon and can't get its fat ass moving when it really needs to.

And LAVs absolutely suck.

When the cost of your suit is 455,000 ISK, then you may start to complain. Until that, refrain from posting on any thread related to vehicles.

If you lose a protosuit to a militia player, get gud.

The problem with blaster is CCP increase it's range a lot and then instead of nerfing the range, the made it so you can't hit sh*t. Nobody complained about blasters before 1.7 and It'd be nice to get them back.

It's not fair fighting infantry running circles around you throwing AV nades, remotes and shooting swarms while you can't do sh*t about it. Tanks had one role and role always in War. Support infantry, and what support can we give them? An intimidation factor?

"oh look, it's a tank!! Haha looks scary but it actually shoots fluffy bunnies"

I primarily Tank or Logi and I agree vehicles need a new tier up with how very effective AV works against all but to be fair if a Tanker or Drop ship pilot doesn't avoid AV and just takes the beating they deserve to blow up. Nobody's invincible. As effective as AV is do you think an HP buff would help even the odds to make vehicles more viable?

Like i have said 250x small turrets are badd, extremely bad at killing infantry.

Where do you see me saying buff tank HP and nerf AV in this thread?

That's bull crap, we shouldn't have to jump out to deal with infantry. Especially a fking tank.

I don't see U.S. Soldiers getting out of their M1A2 Abrams because a Terrorist is shooting at them. They fire the cannon and let the explosion do the work.

It's like battle field, Infantry don't want to get close to a tank. They will rip you up. Tanks in battle field feel like tanks, bishes go running when they see them. Infantry have to play smart and can't just come out of the open bunny hopping. Tanks in battle field also provide the operation with two different gun selections, they get a heavy machine gun and a main missile turret.

="Sir Dukey"Thanks for the novel. Hope it get's published. Fixed some mistakes. Anyway, just to be clear, no where does it say the blaster turret is for AV. The turret was originally meant for AI. Go ahead and look up chromosome Blaster turret video. The videos are a great example of how good the turret used to be.

Tanks right now are Rock vs. Rock vs. Rock.
Some rock is hard and some rock is fragile. Why use the fragile rock when you can use the harder rock?