Kay, so, here we go. Get ready for math.

Here's the issue: Burst AR's Rate of Fire isn't matching up with it's Burst Fire Delay. Essentially, it says 1000 RPM in the fitting screen but that's not how we calculate damage on a burst weapon, so both Protofits.com and CCP Rattati's Hotfix Delta Chart are, according to theory, incorrect. I'll explain why.

In CCP Rattati's Chart, the Allotek Burst Rifle sits just above 600 DPS. This is -far- away from it's actual performance in game, however, and the reason being is because when you take it's base Rate of Fire (1000 RPM) and divide it by 60 (seconds in a minute) you'll get 16.66... <--- Repeating decimal. Now, if you multiply that by it's base damage (36.4) you get the DPS readout that's displayed in both Protofits and Rattati's Chart: 606.66...

So, let's look at that mathematically.


1000 (rounds per minute) ++ 60 (seconds in a minute) = 16.66... (rounds per second.)
16.66 (rounds per second) * 36.40 (damage per round) = 606.66...(Damage Per Second)

Looks good, right? Except, it's not an automatic. That DPS value would be true if it were, but since it's not, we have to account for a brief fire delay between each burst. So, I tried it out. I emptied out magazine after magazine after magazine and used a stop-watch to see how long it took to empty out the entire clip (because I know you guys hate it being called a clip ).

The result was an average of 2.65 bursts per second. Which essentially means that...

60 rounds ++ 4 rounds per burst = 15 bursts per magazine
15 bursts over an average of 5.66 seconds = 2.65 bursts per second
33.09 damage * 4 rounds = 145.6 damage per burst
145.6 damage per burst multiplied by average of 2.65 bursts per second = 385.84 damage per second.

Which is about 220.82 DPS off the mark and about 67.36 DPS -LESS- than the Duvolle Assault Rifle.

Ok, I can get behind the logic. Did you run a similar experiment on the CR? No one thinks its underperforming so I was curious how the he math plays out on this.

Next question, what's the simplest fix? Increase damage per shot to about 36?

Using a Boundless Combat Rifle using the same methods:

54 rounds / 3 rounds per burst = 18 bursts per magazine
18 bursts over an average of 3.91 seconds = 4.60 bursts per second
29.70 damage * 3 rounds = 89.1 damage per burst
89.1 damage per burst * 4.60 bursts per second = 410.13 damage per second

EDIT: BEARING IN MIND that this is entirely anecdotal evidence and my ability to fire a weapon may be different than someone elses, let alone if they're using a modded controller.

Good work, Aeon.

This fits with my subjective assessment of the Burst vs CR pretty well. Increase the Burst damage a bit and up its ammo in the magazine a little and I think that would be a good start point.

I would like a shade more range but the damage and ammo increase might do well enough.

Thanks, you have given me the necessary clues to take it further!

now where are the Amarrians to come fix the ASCR ?

now where are the Amarrians to come fix the ASCR ?

now where are the Amarrians to come fix the ASCR ?

now where are the Amarrians to come fix the ASCR ?

now where are the Amarrians to come fix the ASCR ?

now where are the Amarrians to come fix the ASCR ?

now where are the Amarrians to come fix the ASCR ?

I seriously doubt the damage profile has much to do with it because if that were the case the SCR would have similar issues. The SCR is just comparably better.

now where are the Amarrians to come fix the ASCR ?

the fix for the ascr is not to add new amarr weapons. Also, please base any comparisons to the other faction assault variants, not the scrambler rifle.

the fix for the ascr is not to add new amarr weapons. Also, please base any comparisons to the other faction assault variants, not the scrambler rifle.