Take a break and let your passive SP accrue so your character is in a better position when you come back.

Keep track of the game on the forums, because there may be some changes for the NPE, or other changes that may help you out.

Lastly, if you do continue playing, make sure you put your SP into Core skills like shields, armor, engineering etc that will affect all suits and all roles and make consider hooking up with Dust University or any corp in the Learning Coalition.

I came into dust thinking it was like battlefield but when I played my first game it got better! It brought back my memories of MAG! (R.I.P.) so I continued playing and loved it until.....it took me out of the training mission. Then I was thrown in with players that have 6 months plus put into the game. At first I thought I just wasn't used to the game and the aiming so I kept my chin up and pushed on. Now I am 3 weeks in and I know the maps and my aiming is tighter but ow I'm putting a rail rifle clip into an enemy's back to only have them 3 shot me. Pretty unbalanced if you ask me. Plenty of good mmo fps have a skill system but even a new player can do some damage and have fun. Oh and the constant spawn killing is rather annoying. There should be away to play with players only in my range of sp. in general the game has good concepts and fun gameplay but how very unbalanced it is, it realy breaks the game for new players. I realy really want to love this game but I just can't find a reason too. I'm not into wasting 6 months to get enough sp to be able to have some fun. Veterans I understands why you play this game....new players you should just turn around before your ahead unless you have months to use and don't mind gettin slapped around most of your gynnan

Why even have tiers at all? Just tiericide every dropsuit and be done with it. Leave modules and weapons in their current state, make every dropsuit the proto version of itself. Less need for a tiered system with this in place.

SP is absolutely not a measure of "fps skill". The vets will be on equal ground in STD gear. Then there is no "proto" stomping. And an equal amount of good players on each side.

We are working on metalevel brackets of gameplay, imagine a WoW dungeon only in reverse.

Tier 1 - no fittings above 100 (sum of all equipment on the fitting) - average rewards
Tier 2 - no fittings above 200 - high rewards
Tier 3 - free for all - very high rewards

We are working on metalevel brackets of gameplay, imagine a WoW dungeon only in reverse.

Tier 1 - no fittings above 100 (sum of all equipment on the fitting) - average rewards
Tier 2 - no fittings above 200 - high rewards
Tier 3 - free for all - very high rewards

the skill system should give recommendations to new players by highlighting core skills crucial to new player development. academy should be an open option until you have 5 million or more skill points. but who wants new players to keep playing right?

Honestly I like the fact that some players have way more sp, hp, higher damage, etc. Instead of a one on one showdown, it forces you to come up w a tactic for taking down a stronger enemy. Think of it like a boss n.p.c, where you have to widdle their health down while trying to stay alive. Use team work to take down stronger enemies.

It makes for a lot more depth. If everyone stood on equal grounds it would get old quick. Be like any other BF or COD, where anyone can be a one man army. Some of the nuances Dust has are a little strange to adapt to in comparison to what the other shooters offer, but you'll learn that it makes for a game unlike any other.

If at 5 weeks in you were already a bad ass and could go around slaying the day away, how much fun would that be?Ok, ig uess that is fun, but You would have beaten the game and got bored and moved on to something else.

Dust is so complex and takes so long to master, it keeps you working toward goals for the next few years. It might be hard for the new player, but if you take the time to learn the ins and outs, your immortal life as a clone mercenary will hopefully be a very long one, with so much to learn and experience.

Even when you do achieve a decent sp, suit, weapons. 2 experienced players in starter fits with low sp alt characters still have the ability to take you down through tactics. This game is less about being rambo and more about using your head, to properly use all tools avail to overcome the enemy.

The new player exp is harsh, but I'm the type of person who likes the challenge. Take it slow and enjoy your stay. Soon enough you'll find yourself addicted like the rest of us.

I have a lot of respect for you and the work youGÇÖve done, but I think this is a VERY WRONG approach. Having tiered gear is only useful because other people are using different tiers (risk/reward). If everyone is using the same tier of gear in a given match, then it defeats the purpose of having tiers at all. It seriously devalues the RPG aspects of the game. YouGÇÖll still have vets playing in the low bracket GÇ£STD-stompingGÇ¥ with organized squads to max their K/D, ruining the experience of the new players youGÇÖre trying to protect.

YouGÇÖre solving the wrong problem. The real problem is that youGÇÖre including new players and vets in the same matches. Meta-based matches don't solve this. The gear differences are a symptom, not the cause. An infinitely better solution is a 2nd-tier, optional academy mode. This would be available to all players under some SP threshold (around 5 mill SPGÇöbut open to debate). IGÇÖve written about it here. IGÇÖd really love to hear why matches tiered by meta levels of gear is a better solution for new players getting destroyed and giving up.

I miss OSG

There is so much right in this in this post,

Gear differences are a big part of why new players cant compete. Stop acting like running in a squad is some kind of magical skill multiplier.

Oh, but it IS a multiplier. And best of all, it is FREE. It costs no isk, and requires no SP investment. Your skill is multiplied because a) you can take advantage of tactical in-battle communication to multiply the effectiveness of your existing skills, and b) you learn from others so your skills will improve faster.

Teaching and encouraging new players to squad with more experienced players would absolutely multiply their skill.

SP is absolutely not a measure of "fps skill". The vets will be on equal ground in STD gear. Then there is no "proto" stomping. And an equal amount of good players on each side.

Which experienced players don't want to do, because scrubs.

And not everybody has a Bluetooth.

We are working on metalevel brackets of gameplay, imagine a WoW dungeon only in reverse.

Tier 1 - no fittings above 100 (sum of all equipment on the fitting) - average rewards
Tier 2 - no fittings above 200 - high rewards
Tier 3 - free for all - very high rewards

We are working on metalevel brackets of gameplay, imagine a WoW dungeon only in reverse.

Tier 1 - no fittings above 100 (sum of all equipment on the fitting) - average rewards
Tier 2 - no fittings above 200 - high rewards
Tier 3 - free for all - very high rewards

Obviously 100 and 200 are numbers out of thin air

fittings don't matter when u take in the bonuses just 4 having skilled in stuff
ex
proficiency 15%more damage
armor plates lev 5 10%more armor from each plate
5 in armor and or sheld =25% more on every suit
ect more sp invested = harder to kill / faster death to newer players
some 1 do the math on a front line fitting with all skills to make it better vs a noob with no skill no changes to suits

SQUAD UP IT HELPS A LOT WITH A MIC HELPS MORE

I sincerely appreciate you taking the time to respond.

I think there are 3 main factors at play when it comes to the new player: SP (core skills and access to gear), player skill (the thing that Mu is trying to quantify), and a 3rd variable that that encompasses knowledge of maps, understanding of the game mechanics, understanding of your opponents advantages/weaknesses (e.g. weapon ranges, damage profiles), understanding of group tactics, and social connections to allow you to work with people youGÇÖve run with before (place 6 random players in a squad and using a mic, and theyGÇÖll be at a significant disadvantage to 6 players who run together regularly, all other things being equal).

YouGÇÖre 100% right that SP is not a good indication of player skill. Once youGÇÖre over a certain threshold SP really isnGÇÖt a factor at all. Put a player with 20 mill SP against a player with every skill in the game maxed out and SP really wonGÇÖt matter much at all. Initially though, SP does play a pretty significant role. Take 2 experienced players of equal player skill. Have one run in a fresh-out-of-the-academy fit, and the 2nd player run the same fit but with 20 mill in SP. That SP will be a huge factor in who wins.

By far the biggest problem though is that 3rd variableGÇöthe experience/knowledge/social factor variable. Now take 6 random dudes on coms who have never played together before, and have only just graduated from the academy and donGÇÖt know DUST very well yet, put them in proto suits with max SP and have them fight a squad of well-coordinated, vets on new alts. The players that should be proto stomping, will get decimated by the experienced guys in STD. The experienced players will know what ranges to attack from, what map positions are best for the current situation, they will move as a coordinated unit, and easily make up for their SP/Gear disadvantages.

This is the main reason why I think an optional 2nd-tier academy mode is a much better solution. ItGÇÖs addressing that 3rd variable, and also the SP gap at the stage where itGÇÖs the most critical. YouGÇÖll also be able to have balanced matches as the playerGÇÖs MU in the 2nd-tier academy will begin to align over time with their actual skill.

Tiering matches based on meta only affects gearGÇöwhich is the least significant part of why new players get destroyed after graduating the academy. It comes at a very steep cost. For one it really hurts the risk/reward mechanic that makes DUST so amazing. It feels awesome to take out a PRO suit using a STD one, while still possible to do by running cheap fits in the top-tier matches, I think youGÇÖre squadGÇÖs going to have issues with you. Having a mix of STD, ADV, and PRO at the endgame is fun and interesting. ItGÇÖs more of a sandbox. ItGÇÖs only fun though when you have the OPTION to run what you want, and not when you donGÇÖt have the skills to run PROGÇögetting stomped. Again the 2nd-tier academy solves this much more elegantly. Also PRO gear wonGÇÖt feel special if everyone else is running it. It becomes the new baseline at that tier.

I think the meta tiered matches really ruin a lot of what makes DUST special and amazing, without actually solving the problems it needs to. The 2nd-tier optional academy mode DOES address the problems, and doesnGÇÖt screw up the game for everyone else. Much respect o7.

Edit: A couple more cons with the tiered approach. You're splitting the player base into smaller pools which could really increase queuing times, while the 2nd tier academy only splits it once. Also this would be very hard to balance. Some things may have big advantages in low tiers, and suck at the high tiers. For example, low-end vehicles will be very hard to kill using std AV. This could lead to weird "tiered metas" arising with serious balance problems.

I came into dust thinking it was like battlefield but when I played my first game it got better! It brought back my memories of MAG! (R.I.P.) so I continued playing and loved it until.....it took me out of the training mission. Then I was thrown in with players that have 6 months plus put into the game. At first I thought I just wasn't used to the game and the aiming so I kept my chin up and pushed on. Now I am 3 weeks in and I know the maps and my aiming is tighter but ow I'm putting a rail rifle clip into an enemy's back to only have them 3 shot me. Pretty unbalanced if you ask me. Plenty of good mmo fps have a skill system but even a new player can do some damage and have fun. Oh and the constant spawn killing is rather annoying. There should be away to play with players only in my range of sp. in general the game has good concepts and fun gameplay but how very unbalanced it is, it realy breaks the game for new players. I realy really want to love this game but I just can't find a reason too. I'm not into wasting 6 months to get enough sp to be able to have some fun. Veterans I understands why you play this game....new players you should just turn around before your ahead unless you have months to use and don't mind gettin slapped around most of your gynnan

Oh, but it IS a multiplier. And best of all, it is FREE. It costs no isk, and requires no SP investment. Your skill is multiplied because a) you can take advantage of tactical in-battle communication to multiply the effectiveness of your existing skills, and b) you learn from others so your skills will improve faster.

Teaching and encouraging new players to squad with more experienced players would absolutely multiply their skill.

LOL @ UNBAISED RR Comment..

I wonder how much curve the RR Damage application is because of the community feedback. As a shield only user a BAR and SR eats shields users more effectively then a armor killing counterpart against a armor user. I don't have time for fancy stats but I know the feel is definitely scewed.

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Back on topic glad you got to stick around.. Join up in xmlx channel to squad up.. you'll live longer.

I do agree though that having new players squad with experienced players could help alot (maybe a daily mission/reward framework based around this kind of mentoring would be a great thing to add to dust)

We are working on metalevel brackets of gameplay, imagine a WoW dungeon only in reverse.

Tier 1 - no fittings above 100 (sum of all equipment on the fitting) - average rewards
Tier 2 - no fittings above 200 - high rewards
Tier 3 - free for all - very high rewards