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CCP Rattati wrote:

Dear Players,

once again, I come asking for assistance.

What we are thinking is to assist New Players while progressing and picking skills without getting lost in the wonderful world of minmaxed fittings.

The idea is that one new Marketplace category would consistt of good fits,with all gear at STD, ADV, PRO: like so

Caldari
Medium Basic STD
Medium Basic ADV
Medium Basic PRO
Medium Assault STD
Medium Assault ADV
Medium Assault PRO
Medium Logistics STD
Medium Logistics ADV
Medium Logistics PRO

Then, a player has a goal, and understands the skills he needs to get there, sees the ISK price and instead of buying one at a time through the fitting window, has a place that he can trust and buy 100 copies at a time.

This is a lot of work, both to design and author so who better than the Community to help a Newbro out.

The premise would be, "progressing through all Factions as a good role", now since these are ISK fits meant for everyone, they can be as competitive as possible.

I have laid out a document, and I am going out on a limb here. Players that desire to help, can request write access and then edit the document, the ultimate test in crowdsourcing.

Competitive ISK Fittings

Let me know if you have thoughts on this initiative.

Some of the fits might require Core Skills being maxed or at a certain a level, please add those as comments.

Now to solve conflicts, we will cross that bridge when we get there, let's see if there are some angels out there who want to help.

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Orber Gen Academy Inferno E-R-A 237	Posted - 2014.11.24 15:33:00 - [31] - Quote I think first of all, we need to determine "ways" of fitting: 1. Long Range DPS 2. Solo shooter 3. Assault support (injector, hive, rep tool) 4. etc I think for medium frame: 3-4 types; for light frame 2-3; for heavy two types. With some "restrictions" it'll be simplier to fit exact frame. I have terrible english, so I can't describe "ways of fitting" But it should not be like APEX - one suite, one fit.
I-Shayz-I I----------I 5171	Posted - 2014.11.24 15:34:00 - [32] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Unless we're going to do an AV and HMG fit for sentinels I think making amarr and minmatar the HMG carriers and the gallente and caldari AV would be best. Highly against this. If we want to make a caldari forge fit then it has to be a mlt forge since forge guns require level 3 heavy weapon operation. Maybe for advanced and proto, but at standard every race should have a HMG simply because it only requires level 1 7162 wp with a Repair Tool!
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 5295	Posted - 2014.11.24 15:42:00 - [33] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: Unless we're going to do an AV and HMG fit for sentinels I think making amarr and minmatar the HMG carriers and the gallente and caldari AV would be best. Highly against this. If we want to make a caldari forge fit then it has to be a mlt forge since forge guns require level 3 heavy weapon operation. Maybe for advanced and proto, but at standard every race should have a HMG simply because it only requires level 1 The point of the fits is not to make it the lowest hanging fruit. It's to make obvious what the needed and useful skills are. AV is a critical sentinel skillset. Use the forge guns. EVE Online is what you get when engineers attempt to create "fun" without consulting someone who comprehends the word.
Varoth Drac Vengeance Unbound RISE of LEGION 398	Posted - 2014.11.24 16:35:00 - [34] - Quote Currently basic mediums are terrible. They need to either have the same slots and hp as assaults, or 2 equipment slots. I prefer the equipment idea as it puts them between assaults and logis. It just feels bad trying to make fits to help new players without addressing this serious problem.
Moonracer2000 Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 835	Posted - 2014.11.24 16:44:00 - [35] - Quote Would it be possible to mine the in game player data to get good fitting ideas? Weigh heavily on veteran players/players who do well in matches. Average out what modules are popular which each suit. Actually look at fittings of very successful players (copy them). For example you could look at STD Minmatar scout. See if there is an overwhelmingly popular fit for that suit. What are the most popular light weapon and sidearm choices? Find a happy medium between how most people fit that suit, how very good players fit that suit and keeping it all STD level gear. I think this is a great idea for a project. Allowing new players to "just play" while still being competitive is huge. The biggest challenge I see will be making good STD fits without higher core skills and ADV or better modules.
shaman oga Krullefor Organization 3302	Posted - 2014.11.24 16:53:00 - [36] - Quote Varoth Drac wrote: Currently basic mediums are terrible. They need to either have the same slots and hp as assaults, or 2 equipment slots. I prefer the equipment idea as it puts them between assaults and logis. It just feels bad trying to make fits to help new players without addressing this serious problem. They just need more pg/cpu, you just can't fit them. Situational awareness also known as passive scan.
Varoth Drac Vengeance Unbound RISE of LEGION 398	Posted - 2014.11.24 17:16:00 - [37] - Quote shaman oga wrote: Varoth Drac wrote: Currently basic mediums are terrible. They need to either have the same slots and hp as assaults, or 2 equipment slots. I prefer the equipment idea as it puts them between assaults and logis. It just feels bad trying to make fits to help new players without addressing this serious problem. They just need more pg/cpu, you just can't fit them. I think it's more than that. Comparing to assaults, 100 extra hp is a big deal, particularly for a low sp, standard suit, and higher tiers have an extra slot as well. This seems kind of unfair when you consider heavies and lights have very similar stats to sentinels and scouts.
Regis Blackbird DUST University Ivy League 462	Posted - 2014.11.24 17:29:00 - [38] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Regis Blackbird wrote: This will be a massive undertaking (as you say), although I see the benefits. It will be difficult (or even impossible) to fit all gear with the same tier as the suite. I.e. PRO suite with all PRO gear. As a side-note: Why don't you take the result of this endeavour (required skills for each frame and tier) and make recommended "Mastery" levels, as we have in EVE?(Source) This will create one place which the new-players can quickly overview the "recommended" skills for a suite rather than browsing through all modules separately. It will also give people something else to strive for. This will of course take a client-patch, but it does not prevent the above to be accomplished in a hot-fix first. That is a great idea, incorporating into "these are the skills , check the boxes to get mastery" Thanks The Mastery levels really helped me to give focus to my skill progression in EVE, even if they don't give any other benefit than "a tick in the box".
Greiv Rabbah KiLo. 16	Posted - 2014.11.24 17:30:00 - [39] - Quote I think this is a great idea, and my clone would cry tears of joy for mastery certification as well. This may even help reduce the "dust is not a part of eve" mentality that seems to be so contagious
B-F M Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 69	Posted - 2014.11.24 17:49:00 - [40] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: we could make a PRO basic fit, and then solemnly swear to use that result as an incentive to fix it? If you could find a use for basic frames that would be very interesting... I need an excuse to buy and use the all-black min PRO basic frame. GöÇGòñGòªn++ Ghosts of Dawn // now recruiting. n++GòªGòñGöÇ

Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 3580	Posted - 2014.11.24 18:05:00 - [41] - Quote This would be a fantastic opportunity to give the Medium Frames 2 equipment slots, and keep the Assault where it is If frames should be generalist, this only makes sense for a balance between Assault and Logistics, no? Hotfix Delta Sentinel eHP Calcs
Aeon Amadi Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 7306	Posted - 2014.11.24 18:13:00 - [42] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: I think we should hold off on proto fittings until we have a full set of standard fittings. The whole point of this is to help the newbros out right? If anything, a better system for proto would be to have would he some way to "upvote" fittings (such as on the dust fittings website), and then the highest ranked fittings would be put up for purchase. So, something like the system on Battleclinic for Eve fittings? The hilarity is that this could have been done by the community if we had proper API support like we do in Eve Online. Just plug in your API code/key into some third-party software (hell, don't even have to do that to browse them) and boom. Problem is, CCP Shanghai is allergic to the idea of players potentially having access to their character information outside of the game. Well. Unless it was going to be a PS Vita application. Long-Term Roadmap "It's very important for us to hear their feedback" Gäó
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 3580	Posted - 2014.11.24 18:25:00 - [43] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Well. Unless it was going to be a PS Vita application. Or just put Dust514 on PS4 with Remote Play to Vita Hotfix Delta Sentinel eHP Calcs
Finn Colman Immortal Guides 63	Posted - 2014.11.24 19:37:00 - [44] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Well. Unless it was going to be a PS Vita application. Or just put Dust514 on PS4 with Remote Play to Vita I think he is referring to the PS Vita "Neocom" app that has yet to come, and may never come. The little Min with the little voice.
Meee One Amakakeru-Ryu-no-Hirameki 1337	Posted - 2014.11.24 20:13:00 - [45] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: This would be a fantastic opportunity to give the Medium Frames 2 equipment slots, and keep the Assault where it is If frames should be generalist, this only makes sense for a balance between Assault and Logistics, no? No Basics are just that. They have no specific role,they are place holders until players skill out of them. Some are just to stubborn to do so. No where does it say it should be 'generalist' or be the 'in-between' for assaults and logis. That would be giving it a specific role,and their description specifically says they have no specific battlefield custom role. The one and only advantage they should offer is that they're cheaper by comparison. Official Blueberry of the Forums. Title given by my #1 fan Sgt Kirk.
Jadd Hatchen KILL-EM-QUICK 683	Posted - 2014.11.24 20:39:00 - [46] - Quote Just make sure you don't end up with stuff that corps will abuse. What I mean is let's say due to some change in the game, the meta or FOTM switches to something like logi's... And in the newbies fit package is a logi fit that happens to be able to take advantage of this. Then all a vet player has to do is create a quick alt - newb character and use that fit on it.
Iron Toast Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 24	Posted - 2014.11.24 20:42:00 - [47] - Quote It would be super cool if there could be player contributed fits in the marketplace and the contributing player gets a tiny commission.
Piercing Serenity PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies 728	Posted - 2014.11.24 20:48:00 - [48] - Quote (STD) Caldari Medium Frame C-I Comments This suit is geared for short and long range combat. RR allows the suit to engage from range, while the BP allows it to inflict high damage from short range. Flux grenade is used to strip shields for potential OHKOs, but it could be swapped out for a locus grenade if we think that newbro's can't work well with fluxes. Nanohive is added for utility and doctrine purposes. Shield Regulators are for doctrine as well. CCP Rattati said that EHP is greater than all, but following that rule would require the suit to dual tank, which we should not promote. This is a very cheap suit all around, coming in at about 10,000 (9,975) ISK per suit. As a bonus, this suit has room to grow. It uses 81% of its CPU and 77% of its PG. As a result, the newbro can upgrade the modules on the suit without drastically increasing the ISK or SP investment. Specifically, Newbros can upgrade the following: Basic Shield Extender --> Enhanced Shield Extender (1) Rail Rifle --> SB-39 Rail Rifle / SL-4 Assault Rail Rifle Bolt Pistol --> SR-25 Bolt Pistol Flux Grenade --> C7 Flux Grenade Shield Regulator --> Enhanced Shield Regulator (2) Nanohive --> K-2 Nanohive / X-3 Quantum Nanohive Skill Points Required: 584,560 Dropsuit Command - Lv 3 Caldari Medium Dropsuits - Lv 1 Dropsuit Upgrades - Lv 1 Dropsuit Core Upgrades - Lv 1 Nanocircuitry - Lv 1 Weaponry - Lv 3 Dropsuit Shield Upgrades - Lv 1 Shield Extension - Lv 1 Shield Regulation - Lv 1 Explosives - Lv 1 Light Weapon Operation - Lv 3 Rail Rifle Operation - Lv 1 Sidearm Operation - Lv 3 Bolt Pistol Operation - Lv 1 SP is approximated. Protofits doesn't seem to tell me the minimum requirements for weapons Load out: H: Basic Shield Extender H: Basic Shield Extender L: Basic Shield Regulator L: Basic Shield Regulator EQ: Nanohive LW: Rail Rifle SA: Bolt Pistol G: Flux Grenade Basic Stats: Shield: 288 HP Armor: 120 HP EHP: 408 HP Shield Recharge Delay: 3.67s Shield Recharge Delay (Depleted): 4.67s Cost: 9,975ISK Closed Beta Vet (E3 Build), Former PFBHz Best Corps Battled (Personally): Imperfects, TeamPlayers, Hellstorm
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 3583	Posted - 2014.11.24 21:23:00 - [49] - Quote Finn Colman wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Well. Unless it was going to be a PS Vita application. Or just put Dust514 on PS4 with Remote Play to Vita I think he is referring to the PS Vita "Neocom" app that has yet to come, and may never come. That's my point. If Dust was on PS4 and had remote play, you could access it via the Vita and thus have full access to the same features the original Neocom app was going to have since they would exist in the game. Meee One wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: This would be a fantastic opportunity to give the Medium Frames 2 equipment slots, and keep the Assault where it is If frames should be generalist, this only makes sense for a balance between Assault and Logistics, no? No Basics are just that. They have no specific role,they are place holders until players skill out of them. Some are just to stubborn to do so. No where does it say it should be 'generalist' or be the 'in-between' for assaults and logis. That would be giving it a specific role,and their description specifically says they have no specific battlefield custom role. The one and only advantage they should offer is that they're cheaper by comparison. Yet on multiple occasions you cry that "Assaults don't have to give ANYTHING up compared to Logistics" yet the existence of 2 slots on the frame suit would be exactly something that Assaults would be forced to give up. Hotfix Delta Sentinel eHP Calcs
Piercing Serenity PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies 728	Posted - 2014.11.24 21:42:00 - [50] - Quote (ADV) Caldari Medium Frame C/I Series Comments This ADV fitting is largely an extension of C-I series fitting. It has improved killing power at range and in CQC. However, the steep increase in module fitting costs (Specifically Nanohives) prevents pure ADV modules on the suit. As a result, there is a mix of basic and ADV modules to promote utility over all. The suit's equipment has been functionally upgraded from a (Basic) nanohive to a compact nanohive, something that was not possible given the C-I's fitting guidelines. With the compact nanohive, the C/I Series boosts its survivability in exchange for stronger ammo reserves - something that a not-so-newbro would appreciate. Compared to the C-I, this is a very expensive suit both ISK and SP wise. It costs more than three times the ISK (33,840) than the C-I, and has a similar multiplier on the SP required for the suit (2,076,880). Moreover, the suit - as fitted - has nearly reached its limit. It uses 98% of its CPU and 93% of its PG. It is important to note that the suit can be optimized slightly by investing SP into "Dropsuit Electronics" and "Dropsuit Engineering". The aforementioned skills were omitted due to their non-essential nature. Skill Points Required: 2,076,880 Dropsuit Command - Lv 3 Caldari Medium Dropsuits - Lv 3 Dropsuit Upgrades - Lv 3 Dropsuit Core Upgrades - Lv 3 Nanocircuitry - Lv 3 Weaponry - Lv 3 Dropsuit Shield Upgrades - Lv 3 Shield Extension - Lv 3 Shield Regulation - Lv 3 Explosives - Lv 3 Light Weapon Operation - Lv 3 Rail Rifle Operation - Lv 3 Sidearm Operation - Lv 3 Bolt Pistol Operation - Lv 3 SP is approximated. Protofits doesn't seem to tell me the minimum requirements for weapons Load out: H: Enhanced Shield Extender H: Enhanced Shield Extender H: Basic Shield Extender L: Enhanced Shield Regulator L: Basic Shield Regulator EQ: Compact Nanohive LW: SB-39 Rail Rifle SA: SR-25 Bolt Pistol G: Flux Grenade Basic Stats: Shield: 382 HP Armor: 120 HP EHP: 502 HP Shield Recharge Delay: 3.17s Shield Recharge Delay (Depleted): 4.33s Cost: 33,840ISK Closed Beta Vet (E3 Build), Former PFBHz Best Corps Battled (Personally): Imperfects, TeamPlayers, Hellstorm

Iron Toast Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 24	Posted - 2014.11.24 21:44:00 - [51] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: What level core skills should we expect to require? 1 for STD, 3 for ADV and 5 for PRO? It makes more sense to list fits by the SP investment required rather than the level of modules equipped. Different suits / roles benefit differently from investments in the dropsuit upgrades and weaponry trees. This method also indirectly provides skill point assignment guidance. (Not sure what the mastery levels are, but that might be something similar.) The one drawback to this method is that it does not encourage players to skill into the passive skills ( shield / armor / biotics).
Varoth Drac Vengeance Unbound RISE of LEGION 400	Posted - 2014.11.24 21:44:00 - [52] - Quote Light frames have two equipment slots. Personally I don't think they should. They can't use cloaks so don't need two slots. Basic medium frames should be the suit for new players to try being a logi. Some people might even like the faster, two equipment, higher hp suits enough to legitimately use them. Logis and scouts would technically be better.
Varoth Drac Vengeance Unbound RISE of LEGION 401	Posted - 2014.11.24 21:59:00 - [53] - Quote My feedback on the proposed Caldari fits: You seem to have forgotten grenadier skills. I think flux grenades need level 2 (I could be wrong about this), for this reason I would go for locus grenades on the standard fit rather than flux as they only need level 1. Also, how would people feel about fitting an ion pistol instead of a bolt pistol? I don't know the skill requirements but I think pistols only require sidearms level 1. The ion pistol compliments the rail rifle nicely as it is anti shield and great of CQC combat, which both the rail rifle and bolt pistol struggle with in comparison. With the advanced suit, how about a recharger or energiser instead of the basic extender. I would definitely have one on an assault but I don't know if a medium frame has enough hp to warrant one.
Piercing Serenity PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies 730	Posted - 2014.11.24 22:42:00 - [54] - Quote (PRO) Caldari Medium Frame Ck.0 This PRO fitting increases the EHP of the series by another 100 HP while also taking a step away from the "EHP > ALL" mentality. Through the use of a Complex CPU Upgrade, the suit not only sports almost all PRO modules but also emphases the importance of the "Dropsuit Electronics" and "Dropsuit Engineering" skills. Important Note: As a Vet, this would be a horrible waste of SP as the current system stands. I would much rather spend this SP on an ADV Caldari Assault than put it into this suit. I think that Pokey Dravon's suggestion should be considered strongly. This Ck.0 fitting is almost perfectly efficient, suiting top of the line equipment. As fitted, the suit uses 93% of its CPU and 100% of its PG. In exchange, this suit is very expensive and SP intensive. It costs 151,104ISK per suit, and a total of 13,643,160SP (Approximately) to wear. Skill Points Required: 13,643,160 Dropsuit Command - Lv 3 Caldari Medium Dropsuits - Lv 5 Dropsuit Upgrades - Lv 5 Dropsuit Core Upgrades - Lv 5 Nanocircuitry - Lv 5 Weaponry - Lv 3 Dropsuit Shield Upgrades - Lv 5 Shield Extension - Lv 5 Shield Regulation - Lv 5 Explosives - Lv 5 Light Weapon Operation - Lv 5 Rail Rifle Operation - Lv 5 Sidearm Operation - Lv 5 Bolt Pistol Operation - Lv 5 SP is approximated. Protofits doesn't seem to tell me the minimum requirements for weapons Load out: H: Complex Shield Extender H: Complex Shield Extender H: Complex Shield Extender H: Complex Shield Recharger L: Complex Shield Regulator L: Complex Shield Regulator L: Complex CPU Upgrade EQ: K-2 Nanohive LW: Kaalakiota Rail Rifle SA: Kaalakiota Bolt Pistol G: Core Locus Grenade Basic Stats: Shield: 480 HP Armor: 120 HP EHP: 600 HP Shield Recharge Rate: 45.53 HP/s Shield Recharge Delay: 2.05s Shield Recharge Delay (Depleted): 3.01s Cost: 151,104ISK Closed Beta Vet (E3 Build), Former PFBHz Best Corps Battled (Personally): Imperfects, TeamPlayers, Hellstorm
Jack the Rlpper Fearless Infinity 14	Posted - 2014.11.25 04:30:00 - [55] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: BL4CKST4R wrote: Is the sheet supposed to be blank? Yes :), I haven't had time to accept sharing requests yet. Hey CCP I have spent $140.00 on aurum getting respecs each time and each time i get the respec and use it i get dc'd after spending my sp into what i want and when i come back on all the sp is in totally different things i would like my $140.00 worth aur refunded so I can try to get my respec and spend my sp again and hope it does not mess up I dont want to have bad service with you guys after investing so much and writing so many tickets and still nothing yet.
Songs of Seraphim Murphys-Law 74	Posted - 2014.11.25 04:44:00 - [56] - Quote Request for Caldari Logistics: Ishukone Assault Rail Rifle C-7 Flux Grenade Wiyrkomi Nanite Injector Ishukone Gauged Nanohive Lai Dai Flux Repair Tool Complex Shield Recharger x2 Complex Shield Extender x3 Complex Shield Regulator x2 Basic Kinetic Catalyzer Complex Reactive Plate note: even with Electronics and Core Skill maxed out, it currently doesn't have enough CPU to go without a complex CPU module CPU: 613/459* PG: 93/102 Shield: 443 Armor: 178 Shield Recharge Rate: 55.00 HP/s Your role isn't direct confrontation, it is support and long rage suppression for your teammates. Your primary goal is to keep your team resupplied and reinforced. With two rechargers and regulators, you'll be at full shields constantly; along with a reactive to keep your armor at par. Without plates weighing you down, along with a kinetic catalyzer, your mobility will be key in being successful at your support role. And if a comrade should fall, use supressive fire to cover your teammate until it is safe to revive them and reinforce your position. I don't have much time to write something thorough, but this is the jist of what a Caldari Logistics should be -- at least at the proto level. Raging alcoholic. I play in a pink suit because it's the fabulous thing to do.
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 3587	Posted - 2014.11.25 06:12:00 - [57] - Quote Jack the Rlpper wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: BL4CKST4R wrote: Is the sheet supposed to be blank? Yes :), I haven't had time to accept sharing requests yet. Hey CCP I have spent $140.00 on aurum getting respecs each time and each time i get the respec and use it i get dc'd after spending my sp into what i want and when i come back on all the sp is in totally different things i would like my $140.00 worth aur refunded so I can try to get my respec and spend my sp again and hope it does not mess up I dont want to have bad service with you guys after investing so much and writing so many tickets and still nothing yet. File a ticket. Form is available on the main website. This isn't the place for such things. Hotfix Delta Sentinel eHP Calcs
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 2125	Posted - 2014.11.25 08:33:00 - [58] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Dear Players, once again, I come asking for assistance. What we are thinking is to assist New Players while progressing and picking skills without getting lost in the wonderful world of minmaxed fittings. The idea is that one new Marketplace category would consistt of good fits,with all gear at STD, ADV, PRO: like so Caldari Medium Basic STD Medium Basic ADV Medium Basic PRO Medium Assault STD Medium Assault ADV Medium Assault PRO Medium Logistics STD Medium Logistics ADV Medium Logistics PRO Then, a player has a goal, and understands the skills he needs to get there, sees the ISK price and instead of buying one at a time through the fitting window, has a place that he can trust and buy 100 copies at a time. This is a lot of work, both to design and author so who better than the Community to help a Newbro out. The premise would be, "progressing through all Factions as a good role", now since these are ISK fits meant for everyone, they can be as competitive as possible. I have laid out a document, and I am going out on a limb here. Players that desire to help, can request write access and then edit the document, the ultimate test in crowdsourcing. Competitive ISK Fittings Let me know if you have thoughts on this initiative. Some of the fits might require Core Skills being maxed or at a certain a level, please add those as comments. Now to solve conflicts, we will cross that bridge when we get there, let's see if there are some angels out there who want to help. i like the idea but the logi fits will be quite difficult. #[[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 2 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]]
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 3587	Posted - 2014.11.25 16:39:00 - [59] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: i like the idea but the logi fits will be quite difficult. Logi Suits and Frame suits have all kinds of fuckery going on with their slot layouts in general Hotfix Delta Sentinel eHP Calcs

CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 12313	Posted - 2014.11.27 06:56:00 - [60] - Quote Could we start with masteries, just as skills necessary to fit these Caldari Mastery STD (for lack of a cooler name) - needs these skills, when you have them, the fit goes from "no" to "yes" (red x to green check) then you could check your masteries under the character. hmmm "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"




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