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DeathwindRising wrote:

well one issue im having is how to include certain options at the lower tier suits.

for example the new APEX fit all include ewar modules. theres no way to fit those on a STD suit without completely breaking it.

a STD cal assault suit has only 1 low slot. how does a new player participate in ewar when they will need a shield regulator as part of their basic survival? do we really expect them to drop an extender to fit a precision mod?

im asking because if ewar is to become a greater part of the meta, it should be introduced as early as possible, but the current slot layout wont allow for that. you can look at any of the starter fits and see that.

so do we say that ewar is something you can only think of getting into once you can run ADV or PRO suits?

considering the work done to standardize slot layouts, id rather not have to them redone. id point to the base scan stats on suits as where we could add ewar without having to add slots.

its important to remember that if the plan is for new players to use these as they progress, then we cant have them being fodder to scouts which STD and probably ADV suits couldnt feasibly counter . unless we want to say that only scouts can counter scouts, which is what i thought we were trying to fix.

"As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"


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CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 11972	Posted - 2014.11.24 09:55:00 - [1] - Quote Dear Players, once again, I come asking for assistance. What we are thinking is to assist New Players while progressing and picking skills without getting lost in the wonderful world of minmaxed fittings. The idea is that one new Marketplace category would consistt of good fits,with all gear at STD, ADV, PRO: like so Caldari Medium Basic STD Medium Basic ADV Medium Basic PRO Medium Assault STD Medium Assault ADV Medium Assault PRO Medium Logistics STD Medium Logistics ADV Medium Logistics PRO Then, a player has a goal, and understands the skills he needs to get there, sees the ISK price and instead of buying one at a time through the fitting window, has a place that he can trust and buy 100 copies at a time. This is a lot of work, both to design and author so who better than the Community to help a Newbro out. The premise would be, "progressing through all Factions as a good role", now since these are ISK fits meant for everyone, they can be as competitive as possible. I have laid out a document, and I am going out on a limb here. Players that desire to help, can request write access and then edit the document, the ultimate test in crowdsourcing. Competitive ISK Fittings Let me know if you have thoughts on this initiative. Some of the fits might require Core Skills being maxed or at a certain a level, please add those as comments. Now to solve conflicts, we will cross that bridge when we get there, let's see if there are some angels out there who want to help. "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"


CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 11974	Posted - 2014.11.24 10:14:00 - [2] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: What level core skills should we expect to require? 1 for STD, 3 for ADV and 5 for PRO? Sounds like a solid plan! "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"


CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 11979	Posted - 2014.11.24 12:31:00 - [3] - Quote Regis Blackbird wrote: This will be a massive undertaking (as you say), although I see the benefits. It will be difficult (or even impossible) to fit all gear with the same tier as the suite. I.e. PRO suite with all PRO gear. As a side-note: Why don't you take the result of this endeavour (required skills for each frame and tier) and make recommended "Mastery" levels, as we have in EVE?(Source) This will create one place which the new-players can quickly overview the "recommended" skills for a suite rather than browsing through all modules separately. It will also give people something else to strive for. This will of course take a client-patch, but it does not prevent the above to be accomplished in a hot-fix first. That is a great idea, incorporating into "these are the skills , check the boxes to get mastery" "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"


CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 11980	Posted - 2014.11.24 12:53:00 - [4] - Quote DeathwindRising wrote: well one issue im having is how to include certain options at the lower tier suits. for example the new APEX fit all include ewar modules. theres no way to fit those on a STD suit without completely breaking it. a STD cal assault suit has only 1 low slot. how does a new player participate in ewar when they will need a shield regulator as part of their basic survival? do we really expect them to drop an extender to fit a precision mod? im asking because if ewar is to become a greater part of the meta, it should be introduced as early as possible, but the current slot layout wont allow for that. you can look at any of the starter fits and see that. so do we say that ewar is something you can only think of getting into once you can run ADV or PRO suits? considering the work done to standardize slot layouts, id rather not have to them redone. id point to the base scan stats on suits as where we could add ewar without having to add slots. its important to remember that if the plan is for new players to use these as they progress, then we cant have them being fodder to scouts which STD and probably ADV suits couldnt feasibly counter . unless we want to say that only scouts can counter scouts, which is what i thought we were trying to fix. I would say, don't worry about EWAR until ADV or even PRO. HP is king for new Players, even though in the Academy, you might be pretty sneaky with only one damp :) "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"


CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 11991	Posted - 2014.11.24 14:26:00 - [5] - Quote we could make a PRO basic fit, and then solemnly swear to use that result as an incentive to fix it? "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"


CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 11991	Posted - 2014.11.24 14:42:00 - [6] - Quote BL4CKST4R wrote: Is the sheet supposed to be blank? Yes :), I haven't had time to accept sharing requests yet. "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"


CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 12313	Posted - 2014.11.27 06:56:00 - [7] - Quote Could we start with masteries, just as skills necessary to fit these Caldari Mastery STD (for lack of a cooler name) - needs these skills, when you have them, the fit goes from "no" to "yes" (red x to green check) then you could check your masteries under the character. hmmm "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"


CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 12806	Posted - 2014.12.04 03:23:00 - [8] - Quote Hi, we are further along did anyone collect All races Medium Frame Starter Militia Frontline Standard Basic with Basic Gear Advanced Basic with Advanced Gear skip proto medium for now Standard Assault with Basic Gear Advanced Assault with Advanced Gear Prototype Assault with Prototype Gear I see Piercing already made a Caldari path We appreciate all the help we can get! "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"


CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 14739	Posted - 2015.01.14 08:46:00 - [9] - Quote Thanks everyone, this is an ongoing initiative and we will be sure to incorporate this feedback. "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"