DUST Search - Looks like we need to wait fanfest for some news

Aeon Amadi wrote:

CCP Frame wrote:

Hey guys,

We are not planning to make any announcements about or show anything new for DUST 514 or Project Legion at Fanfest, but CCP Rattati and CCP Rouge will be on hand to talk to attendees and participate in all the usual activities with everyone such as pub crawls and roundtables.

Imagine that.

My only regret about not being able to go, now, is not being able to look at Rattati and Rouge in the eyes and tell them - in person - how severely they ****** up.

Every month we get some kind of new rhetoric about how there's a "plan in the works to better communicate/improve communication". At this point we all know it's just a bunch of PR non-sense. It's 100% BS. Sad part is that even when CCP Shanghai -KNOWS- it's no longer working they still adhere to this constant ploy of "we love dialogue/feedback" and "we're actively working on improving communication" despite having absolutely no proof of it at all.

This is all the evidence this community needs to finally say, without a shadow of a doubt, that CCP Shanghai has absolutely no long term plan in play, they have nothing to offer their players, and what's left is literally just milking revenue to keep the studio alive. The fact that they have had nothing to say, still have nothing to say, and now confirm that they -WILL NOT- have anything to say is all the rhyme and reason we need to know that we are being bull-shitted.

But what's even more ****** off is the CPM is even looking at this with rose-shaded glasses. Ask them if they're optimistic about Legion and they deflect/ignore all questions besides that relating to Dust 514. So not only is CCP outright ignoring their community about all this, the CPM apparently isn't doing anything to question it. This coming from the guy who always trash talks CEOPyrex about his downing the CPM.

And beyond that our new EP, who the -last- CPM regarded as a "savior" is a bold-faced liar:

Quote:

Again, Project Legion is still in an early stage of development but the whole idea behind giving a sneak peek at Fanfest is to get early feedback - and I really want to keep this discussion going, show you progress through dev blogs and such and listen to what you have to say.

Please post your feedback and questions in this thread - and let's keep this conversation going. The team and I will be reading this thread, and I will respond as soon as I can.

CCP Rouge

We have not seen any devblogs about Legion, absolutely -NO- information for several months, and any sign of them "listening" went with those conversations. You -CANNOT- have a "conversation" when only one party is talking. If you sit on a phone for fifteen minutes waiting for the person to respond but they say nothing, you hang the ****** up and move on.

So my next question is this: Do they have nothing to show at Fanfest, or do they have nothing to show -PERIOD-? Why else would they just -not- talk about it, despite saying they don't want to repeat past mistakes?

"Also I think knives are a good idea, big f**k-off shiny ones" "Guns for show, Knives for a pro"

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Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 4831	Posted - 2014.11.27 06:13:00 - [31] - Quote Avinash Decker wrote: When is that going to be? Working on getting as much out as possible. Every bit of news we get generally gets a response of "This is great, please tell the players about it." I think getting this information out to players now was a good thing. DeadlyAztec11 wrote: I'd at least like a small presentation telling is what to expect in the future. Nothing overtly specific but just setting the general tone for what is coming if anything is coming at all. Frame mentioned roundtables. Rouge and Rattati will be there. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Avinash Decker Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 154	Posted - 2014.11.27 06:18:00 - [32] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Avinash Decker wrote: When is that going to be? Working on getting as much out as possible. Every bit of news we get generally gets a response of "This is great, please tell the players about it." I think getting this information out to players now was a good thing. DeadlyAztec11 wrote: I'd at least like a small presentation telling is what to expect in the future. Nothing overtly specific but just setting the general tone for what is coming if anything is coming at all. Frame mentioned roundtables. Rouge and Rattati will be there. Why hadn't CCP released the information now though? Many players are upset about the seemingly lack of communication, would it be better served if they talk about some of stuff, not all, now or soon as in this year?
Kain Spero Goonfeet 3866	Posted - 2014.11.27 06:23:00 - [33] - Quote Except will these round tables be recorded and/or streamed? It would be a shame for Dust/Legion to be relegated to obscurity when it came to letting players hear in a more direct way from the Devs. Owner of Spero Escrow Services Follow @KainSpero for Dust and Legion news
Bendtner92 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 2236	Posted - 2014.11.27 07:04:00 - [34] - Quote Vaporware confirmed. Winner of the EU Squad Cup & the closed beta Tester's Tournament. Go Go Power Rangers! R.I.P MAG.
Kevall Longstride DUST University Ivy League 2074	Posted - 2014.11.27 07:13:00 - [35] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: Except will these round tables be recorded and/or streamed? It would be a shame for Dust/Legion to be relegated to obscurity when it came to letting players hear in a more direct way from the Devs. Because streaming a Q&A round table worked out really well in May? Lol But seriously now folks, it's good that this news is now out. The last Fanfest was a train wreck of pandering to the PC master race made worse by the frankly insane bollocks of promises made for Dust by Rouge's predecessor 12 months before that. As a Fanfest vet I can tell you that the far more interesting stuff gets spoken about in the Round Tables and the pubs. Not streamed for sure but at least there's no hype about what's said there. It's likely going to be Eve: Valkyrie's time in the sun at Fanfest I'm guessing so there's only so much time that can put to one side for all off CCPs products. Dust and Legion will be very much on the back burner in March but they'll still be Rouge, Rattati and I'm sure some others will make the trip. They'll be answering questions and I'm sure Rouge will be hijacking Eve TV at some point too. CPM 1 member CEO of DUST University Vist dustcpm.com
Ace Boone Capital Acquisitions LLC 462	Posted - 2014.11.27 07:45:00 - [36] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: CCP Frame wrote: Hey guys, We are not planning to make any announcements about or show anything new for DUST 514 or Project Legion at Fanfest, but CCP Rattati and CCP Rouge will be on hand to talk to attendees and participate in all the usual activities with everyone such as pub crawls and roundtables. Not really good news, but at least it's honest. WELL, WELL, WELL, WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN MR. SPERO? Only loyal to the republic.
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 5105	Posted - 2014.11.27 07:46:00 - [37] - Quote Moochie Cricket wrote: CCP Frame wrote: Hey guys, We are not planning to make any announcements about or show anything new for DUST 514 or Project Legion at Fanfest, but CCP Rattati and CCP Rouge will be on hand to talk to attendees and participate in all the usual activities with everyone such as pub crawls and roundtables. That is incredibly disappointing. No information on Legion? A game that has been in development for over a year and you have nothing you can show off? Especially considering much of the art assets and balancing numbers are already there via Dust. Legion is vaporware. It is not coming out, and when Dust is done it's done. The only option they have for saving their studio is a PS4 port and eventual migration, but Rouge would rather not do it. Apparently he is under the impression that Legion and the engine its running on will somehow be relevant in 5 or 10 years or whatever it takes for them to theoretically get Legion out of the door. Hilmar does not have that kind of patience, and he is already soured to the way Dust turned out. This studio is going to be killed slowly. They will start peeling members out of Shanghai one at a time based on usefulness to work on EVE, and when the team has gotten so small that progress no longer happens the rest will finally be laid off. Ergo, Hello World of Darkness. I would very much like for everything I just said to be a false. It would make me happier than anything. It's my fault FA exists. Direct your rage to me.
Wilhelm Klingspor DUST University Ivy League 364	Posted - 2014.11.27 07:59:00 - [38] - Quote CCP Frame wrote: Hey guys, We are not planning to make any announcements about or show anything new for DUST 514 or Project Legion at Fanfest, but CCP Rattati and CCP Rouge will be on hand to talk to attendees and participate in all the usual activities with everyone such as pub crawls and roundtables. Right in the feels. But it's honest, people won't be buying a ticket for any Dust/Legion stuffs and be disappointed. Now excuse me while i ave a gud cry into my egg and bacon sandwich. GûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæ DON'T PANIC GûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæ
Ghural WarRavens Capital Punishment. 341	Posted - 2014.11.27 08:08:00 - [39] - Quote I think that the players deserve some sort of reassurance their continued investment in dust/legion will be worth the wait. Why spend money on dust when your investment could be completely wasted if both games end?
Jebus McKing Jebus Hates Scans 1091	Posted - 2014.11.27 08:16:00 - [40] - Quote CCP Frame wrote: Hey guys, We are not planning to make any announcements about or show anything new for DUST 514 or Project Legion at Fanfest, but CCP Rattati and CCP Rouge will be on hand to talk to attendees and participate in all the usual activities with everyone such as pub crawls and roundtables. So, I'm gonna assume then that Legion is not coming and that Dust is on life support until the AUR stops flowing. Feel free to prove me wrong. Legion is not a new game with a completely new player base. You already have a player base, paying customers. Greenlight the damn game or admit that it's not coming. But don't leave everyone guessing for months. If you can answer questions at fanfeat you can also answer them here. Assault / Logi / Scout / Sentinel // @JebusMcKing G£î

Ghural WarRavens Capital Punishment. 341	Posted - 2014.11.27 08:24:00 - [41] - Quote To be honest this is pretty typical behaviour for CCP. They show something awesome and then don't talk about it again.
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 4833	Posted - 2014.11.27 08:39:00 - [42] - Quote Ghural wrote: I think that the players deserve some sort of reassurance their continued investment in dust/legion will be worth the wait. Why spend money on dust when your investment could be completely wasted if both games end? Soraya gives Ghural a reassuring pat on the head. Things are doing fine. Game is not dead yet. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Sergamon Draco Rautaleijona 538	Posted - 2014.11.27 08:42:00 - [43] - Quote CCP Frame wrote: Hey guys, We are not planning to make any announcements about or show anything new for DUST 514 or Project Legion at Fanfest, but CCP Rattati and CCP Rouge will be on hand to talk to attendees and participate in all the usual activities with everyone such as pub crawls and roundtables. If there is no annoucments, or any new info about dust 514 or legion development. Why ccp even bother to do keynote? Just publish keynote info on web,that way ccp can ignore us and just concentrate their adorable eve players. Fck the kdr,i`m going in
Aoena Rays Bragian Order Amarr Empire 546	Posted - 2014.11.27 09:21:00 - [44] - Quote DaReaperPW wrote: Isa Lucifer wrote: Yep. Dam and I like the vision CCP had about unifying both games. So much potential thrown into the bin. what was thrown in the bins? They only said no presentation at fan fest this year. shrugs prolly means not greenlite/no release next year, so why shoot dust in the foot if legion is not close to being done. No, people must rage hard because they said no major talk haha... this thread is getting funny. Story of your life
Aeon Amadi Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 7360	Posted - 2014.11.27 09:31:00 - [45] - Quote CCP Frame wrote: Hey guys, We are not planning to make any announcements about or show anything new for DUST 514 or Project Legion at Fanfest, but CCP Rattati and CCP Rouge will be on hand to talk to attendees and participate in all the usual activities with everyone such as pub crawls and roundtables. Imagine that. My only regret about not being able to go, now, is not being able to look at Rattati and Rouge in the eyes and tell them - in person - how severely they **** up. Every month we get some kind of new rhetoric about how there's a "plan in the works to better communicate/improve communication". At this point we all know it's just a bunch of PR non-sense. It's 100% BS. Sad part is that even when CCP Shanghai -KNOWS- it's no longer working they still adhere to this constant ploy of "we love dialogue/feedback" and "we're actively working on improving communication" despite having absolutely no proof of it at all. This is all the evidence this community needs to finally say, without a shadow of a doubt, that CCP Shanghai has absolutely no long term plan in play, they have nothing to offer their players, and what's left is literally just milking revenue to keep the studio alive. The fact that they have had nothing to say, still have nothing to say, and now confirm that they -WILL NOT- have anything to say is all the rhyme and reason we need to know that we are being bull-shitted. But what's even more ** off is the CPM is even looking at this with rose-shaded glasses. Ask them if they're optimistic about Legion and they deflect/ignore all questions besides that relating to Dust 514. So not only is CCP outright ignoring their community about all this, the CPM apparently isn't doing anything to question it. This coming from the guy who always trash talks CEOPyrex about his downing the CPM. And beyond that our new EP, who the -last- CPM regarded as a "savior" is a bold-faced liar: Quote: Again, Project Legion is still in an early stage of development but the whole idea behind giving a sneak peek at Fanfest is to get early feedback - and I really want to keep this discussion going, show you progress through dev blogs and such and listen to what you have to say. Please post your feedback and questions in this thread - and let's keep this conversation going. The team and I will be reading this thread, and I will respond as soon as I can. CCP Rouge We have not seen any devblogs about Legion, absolutely -NO- information for several months, and any sign of them "listening" went with those conversations. You -CANNOT- have a "conversation" when only one party is talking. If you sit on a phone for fifteen minutes waiting for the person to respond but they say nothing, you hang the **** up and move on. So my next question is this: Do they have nothing to show at Fanfest, or do they have nothing to show -PERIOD-? Why else would they just -not- talk about it, despite saying they don't want to repeat past mistakes? Long-Term Roadmap Nothing to show for Legion
Ghural WarRavens Capital Punishment. 341	Posted - 2014.11.27 10:03:00 - [46] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Ghural wrote: I think that the players deserve some sort of reassurance their continued investment in dust/legion will be worth the wait. Why spend money on dust when your investment could be completely wasted if both games end? Soraya gives Ghural a reassuring pat on the head. Things are doing fine. Game is not dead yet. Slips quietly into a world of darkness
Bendtner92 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 2237	Posted - 2014.11.27 10:09:00 - [47] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Soraya gives Ghural a reassuring pat on the head. Things are doing fine. Game is not dead yet. Which game? DUST? Which means Legion is dead or what? Winner of the EU Squad Cup & the closed beta Tester's Tournament. Go Go Power Rangers! R.I.P MAG.
iKILLu osborne Titans of Phoenix 492	Posted - 2014.11.27 10:13:00 - [48] - Quote CCP Frame wrote: Hey guys, We are not planning to make any announcements about or show anything new for DUST 514 or Project Legion at Fanfest, but CCP Rattati and CCP Rouge will be on hand to talk to attendees and participate in all the usual activities with everyone such as pub crawls and roundtables. at least your not getting our hopes and dreams up like last fanfest just to crush them. thanks for being honest if you shoot me from the redline i will ensure your death will be a swift one
Spaceman-Rob Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 625	Posted - 2014.11.27 10:47:00 - [49] - Quote Don't worry CCP, 99% of the dust players who don't have a pc including myself couldn't give a rats arse about Legion.
Bendtner92 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 2238	Posted - 2014.11.27 10:51:00 - [50] - Quote Spaceman-Rob wrote: Don't worry CCP, 99% of the dust players who don't have a pc including myself couldn't give a rats arse about Legion. But what about that PS4 release years after the PC release (whenever that is)?!?! Winner of the EU Squad Cup & the closed beta Tester's Tournament. Go Go Power Rangers! R.I.P MAG.

crazy space 1 K-A-O-S theory 2570	Posted - 2014.11.27 11:09:00 - [51] - Quote Bring back skirmish 1.0 ;_;
Happy Violentime OMFGZOMBIESRUN 904	Posted - 2014.11.27 11:29:00 - [52] - Quote CCP Frame wrote: Hey guys, We are not planning to make any announcements about or show anything new for DUST 514 or Project Legion at Fanfest, but CCP Rattati and CCP Rouge will be on hand to talk to attendees and participate in all the usual activities with everyone such as pub crawls and roundtables. Don't rattati and rouge have better things to be doing than going on 'jollies'? Are they meant to be making a game or excuses?
ZDub 303 Escrow Removal and Acquisition Negative-Feedback 3305	Posted - 2014.11.27 12:20:00 - [53] - Quote Shanghai should really do something for Fanfest, even if its not at the formal event. Its a time where people who enjoy the New Eden IP get together and get excited about CCP products. A couple weeks after do a livestream event on twitch or something, show off some new assets and drum up some excitement for the game. Seriously, the only emotion I feel for Legion now is indifference, where 6 months ago I was ecstatic about it.
Kevall Longstride DUST University Ivy League 2076	Posted - 2014.11.27 12:43:00 - [54] - Quote Like I said before, this will be Valkyrie's Fanfest and there is only a finite amount of time over the three days. Besides, it'll keep marketing busy with the new game too. So silver lining and all that. CPM 1 member CEO of DUST University Vist dustcpm.com
CommanderBolt KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 2591	Posted - 2014.11.27 12:49:00 - [55] - Quote Kevall Longstride wrote: Like I said before, this will be Valkyrie's Fanfest and there is only a finite amount of time over the three days. Besides, it'll keep marketing busy with the new game too. So silver lining and all that. Valkyrie, that mediocre game isn't going to sell. Do CCP really think that the headset gimmick is going to make them rich? I have seen better fighter space sims on PC 5 years ago. Hell current big titles / in development titles already blow it out of the water. CCP jumps from project to project..... great. No WoD, no Legion. Just some clunky headset fighter sim...... IF you know that CCP knows that Legion is dead in the water, I would hope you would urge them to tell us the truth. "Also I think knives are a good idea, big f**k-off shiny ones" "Guns for show, Knives for a pro" MY LIFE FOR AIUR!
CommanderBolt KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 2591	Posted - 2014.11.27 12:54:00 - [56] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: CCP Frame wrote: Hey guys, We are not planning to make any announcements about or show anything new for DUST 514 or Project Legion at Fanfest, but CCP Rattati and CCP Rouge will be on hand to talk to attendees and participate in all the usual activities with everyone such as pub crawls and roundtables. Imagine that. My only regret about not being able to go, now, is not being able to look at Rattati and Rouge in the eyes and tell them - in person - how severely they **** up. Every month we get some kind of new rhetoric about how there's a "plan in the works to better communicate/improve communication". At this point we all know it's just a bunch of PR non-sense. It's 100% BS. Sad part is that even when CCP Shanghai -KNOWS- it's no longer working they still adhere to this constant ploy of "we love dialogue/feedback" and "we're actively working on improving communication" despite having absolutely no proof of it at all. This is all the evidence this community needs to finally say, without a shadow of a doubt, that CCP Shanghai has absolutely no long term plan in play, they have nothing to offer their players, and what's left is literally just milking revenue to keep the studio alive. The fact that they have had nothing to say, still have nothing to say, and now confirm that they -WILL NOT- have anything to say is all the rhyme and reason we need to know that we are being bull-shitted. But what's even more ** off is the CPM is even looking at this with rose-shaded glasses. Ask them if they're optimistic about Legion and they deflect/ignore all questions besides that relating to Dust 514. So not only is CCP outright ignoring their community about all this, the CPM apparently isn't doing anything to question it. This coming from the guy who always trash talks CEOPyrex about his downing the CPM. And beyond that our new EP, who the -last- CPM regarded as a "savior" is a bold-faced liar: Quote: Again, Project Legion is still in an early stage of development but the whole idea behind giving a sneak peek at Fanfest is to get early feedback - and I really want to keep this discussion going, show you progress through dev blogs and such and listen to what you have to say. Please post your feedback and questions in this thread - and let's keep this conversation going. The team and I will be reading this thread, and I will respond as soon as I can. CCP Rouge We have not seen any devblogs about Legion, absolutely -NO- information for several months, and any sign of them "listening" went with those conversations. You -CANNOT- have a "conversation" when only one party is talking. If you sit on a phone for fifteen minutes waiting for the person to respond but they say nothing, you hang the ** up and move on. So my next question is this: Do they have nothing to show at Fanfest, or do they have nothing to show -PERIOD-? Why else would they just -not- talk about it, despite saying they don't want to repeat past mistakes? I don't always agree with you Aeon but in this instance I feel exactly the same way. Not only that I think CCP are digging their own grave by constantly 'jumping ship' as it were from project to project. If Valkyrie is there big new hype piece then I am totally disappointed. So much for Legion. "Also I think knives are a good idea, big fk-off shiny ones" "Guns for show, Knives for a pro" MY LIFE FOR AIUR!
Jack Boost Zarena Family 510	Posted - 2014.11.27 13:38:00 - [57] - Quote The truth.... only at 15 level of loyality you will be know for sure. THERE IS THE ONLY WAY. Fight for it.... or terminate clone now. Not much time left...
da GAND Bloodline Rebellion Capital Punishment. 1005	Posted - 2014.11.27 14:18:00 - [58] - Quote CCP Frame wrote: Hey guys, We are not planning to make any announcements about or show anything new for DUST 514 or Project Legion at Fanfest, but CCP Rattati and CCP Rouge will be on hand to talk to attendees and participate in all the usual activities with everyone such as pub crawls and roundtables. I regret giving CCP any of my money, it was only for an EVE subscription for a few months but still at least I didn't waste any of my money on any of the these things people are willing to buy for their Dust accounts. Should Legion be on the ps4?
Espeon Bons Bloodline Rebellion Capital Punishment. 315	Posted - 2014.11.27 14:18:00 - [59] - Quote CCP Frame wrote: Hey guys, We are not planning to make any announcements about or show anything new for DUST 514 or Project Legion at Fanfest, but CCP Rattati and CCP Rouge will be on hand to talk to attendees and participate in all the usual activities with everyone such as pub crawls and roundtables. If you dont have something nice to say, don't say nothing at all- Thumper(double negatives and everything) Redemption comes from changing who you are on the inside. Stain yourself with evil to defeat a greater evil.
Stevez Lau Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic 3	Posted - 2014.11.27 14:29:00 - [60] - Quote CCP Frame wrote: Hey guys, We are not planning to make any announcements about or show anything new for DUST 514 or Project Legion at Fanfest, but CCP Rattati and CCP Rouge will be on hand to talk to attendees and participate in all the usual activities with everyone such as pub crawls and roundtables. Cool, keep us updated on the state of the Dust to Legion transfer though won't you? That's all most of us care about so our time in DUST can still mean something if Legion gets the green light :)



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