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MINA Longstrike
Kirjuun Heiian
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Posted - 2014.11.04 13:50:00 -
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Who honestly thought caving to people who got a 'bad needle' once or twice was a good idea? These needle changes are completely moronic.
Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian.
I have a few alts.
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Joel II X
Bacon with a bottle of Quafe
4274
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Posted - 2014.11.04 14:01:00 -
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If you're complaining about how you can only get people up if they ask to do so, then screw you.
If not, then I have no idea what you're talking about. |
Jack Boost
Zarena Family
484
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Posted - 2014.11.04 14:04:00 -
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Needlers... now is your time for trolling - running for first line of fight and .. miss your 'patient' ;).
Not much time left...
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Awesome Pantaloons
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
653
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Posted - 2014.11.04 14:05:00 -
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I get revived by dumbass needle-fishers OFTEN. Not once or twice, not even ten times. I can safely say that over my long Dust career, no fewer than one hundred deaths can be attributed to some stab-happy fuckwit. Screw your warpoints, I want to die! It's my body and only I decide what happens to it. 
Seid ihr das essen? Nein! Wir sind der jager!
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MINA Longstrike
Kirjuun Heiian
1524
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Posted - 2014.11.04 14:06:00 -
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Joel II X wrote:If you're complaining about how you can only get people up if they ask to do so, then screw you.
If not, then I have no idea what you're talking about.
That's exactly what I'm pissed about. Yes, bad needles happen, this change is once again the wrong way to go about it - 1) a 'death' shouldn't be counted until the clone is terminated, 2) warpoints for a revive should require the target to stay alive a minimum amount of time.
Arbitrarily preventing people from using a piece of equipment designed to sustain pressure and save suits and clones is idiotic.
Furthermore, people cant make a request to be picked up if they get off the screen too quickly or an area is too flooded with equipment. This is an idiotic change all because KDR people whined long and hard.
Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian.
I have a few alts.
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MINA Longstrike
Kirjuun Heiian
1524
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Posted - 2014.11.04 14:07:00 -
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Awesome Pantaloons wrote: It's my body and only I decide what happens to it.
No. It's the teams clone and if someone has a needle they should always have the chance to pick you up.
Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian.
I have a few alts.
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Jack McReady
Dust University
Ivy League
1574
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Posted - 2014.11.04 14:09:00 -
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Awesome Pantaloons wrote:I get revived by dumbass needle-fishers OFTEN. Not once or twice, not even ten times. I can safely say that over my long Dust career, no fewer than one hundred deaths can be attributed to some stab-happy fuckwit. Screw your warpoints, I want to die! It's my body and only I decide what happens to it.
the clone mass belongs to the corporation that hired you, not to you.
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postapo wastelander
Wasteland Desert Rangers
545
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Posted - 2014.11.04 14:11:00 -
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MINA Longstrike wrote:Who honestly thought caving to people who got a 'bad needle' once or twice was a good idea? These needle changes are completely moronic.
Honeslty i like new needle change, mercs will finaly have chance to be resucted safely without possibility of crossfire around.
"Nanohives, repairs or droplinks, just ask me on field i can tink anything"
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MINA Longstrike
Kirjuun Heiian
1526
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Posted - 2014.11.04 14:18:00 -
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postapo wastelander wrote:MINA Longstrike wrote:Who honestly thought caving to people who got a 'bad needle' once or twice was a good idea? These needle changes are completely moronic. Honeslty i like new needle change, mercs will finaly have chance to be resucted safely without possibility of crossfire around.
Why ever fit 50-100% needles if you are only allowed to use them 'out of combat' or on people who are expected to already know what you have fit? That's kind of the point of higher tier needles - the ability to use them in combat, even in high-crossfire situations. Even low tier needles give you a *chance* if an enemy has to say reload or a person body-blocks some shots for you.
I mean I already know you're not the sharpest tool in the shed, but why carry around a piece of equipment when one isn't even able to actually use it the majority of the time? I have never, ever gotten upset at a bad needle for two reasons 1) the clone isn't mine it's the teams and 2) as suit value goes up needles are inherently more valuable and the effort of attempting to save or be saved by someone is much more appreciable.
Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian.
I have a few alts.
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IVIaster LUKE
729
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Posted - 2014.11.04 14:39:00 -
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Give it time.
The "Herd" will adapt eventually.
Myself included 
Now!...Let my people go!...No negotiations!...I will be with the...Bush of fire!
R.I.P. Ben 1970-2014
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SagaB
Krusual Covert Operators
Minmatar Republic
17
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Posted - 2014.11.04 14:51:00 -
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Wouldn't this stop teamkill needlespam in fw? You can't get rezzed without pressing help right? |
MINA Longstrike
Kirjuun Heiian
1529
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Posted - 2014.11.04 14:53:00 -
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SagaB wrote:Wouldn't this stop teamkill needlespam in fw? You can't get rezzed without pressing help right?
That's not as big of a problem as it's made out to be honestly.
Also in real life EMT's don't need your permission to save your life if you're unable to speak, why should logi's?
Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian.
I have a few alts.
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postapo wastelander
Wasteland Desert Rangers
545
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Posted - 2014.11.04 14:55:00 -
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The issue was resus in the middle of crossfire and abusing milt. needles what basicaly instant kill you once more.
I remember how i was angry, when i was resucted 3 times by mlt needle and died 3 time aswell, just because idiot1c blue.
"Nanohives, repairs or droplinks, just ask me on field i can tink anything"
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MINA Longstrike
Kirjuun Heiian
1529
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Posted - 2014.11.04 14:58:00 -
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^**** happens, minor inconveniences are not a good reason to change positive, functioning mechanics into things that are overall negative and non-functioning. Not hitting the 'help' button is the exact same thing as denying a revive, and I run 50-80% needles on a lot of fits.
Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian.
I have a few alts.
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RayRay James
Vengeance Unbound
RISE of LEGION
681
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Posted - 2014.11.04 15:10:00 -
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Awesome Pantaloons wrote: I want to die! It's my body and only I decide what happens to it.
Not according to 46 of the 50 United States |
Kasote Denzara
A Vulture
2381
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Posted - 2014.11.04 15:10:00 -
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I dirty needled the **** out of everyone and repped them up with a good Repair Tool (in the past). Fond memories.
Prof. V Plasma Cannon and Gallente Commando V. There is no regret. Only explosions.
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RayRay James
Vengeance Unbound
RISE of LEGION
681
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Posted - 2014.11.04 15:18:00 -
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I haven't had the chance to play yet, being at work and all, but I was not inspired by the chenges when I read them in the patch notes.
Have i picked up people only to have them die? Absolutely? Did I do it intentionally? Sometimes.
If it's an important fight, Iweigh the pros and cons of coming to try and pick you up. Am I going to die on the way there? If not, can I successfully pick you up without either of us dying?
If I answer NO to either of those questions, I'm not coming to get you. The only time that changes is if I'm on voice comms with a team mate and he's telling me to come anyways.
Why bother, as a logi, to carry a needle anymore? Most people don't request help, even when they want it. My 80% and 100% needles show no differently than a 30% needle to someone dying, how do they know I'm not a scrub logi?
I'm sure, in time, people will adjust to needing to request pickup. I hope.
IMO, the proper fix would have been a instant bleed out button instead of a ask for revive. Death screen doesn't appear until you've bled out, or is adjusted so you can still see the game with the death info subtly around you, NOT taking up the entire screen. Lastly, a death isn't counted until you're actually dead, not just incapacitated on the ground.
Anyways, it is what it is for the time being. Hopefully it will level itself out. If not, I hope Rattati and team take another look and adjust as necessary.
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postapo wastelander
Wasteland Desert Rangers
545
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Posted - 2014.11.04 15:20:00 -
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MINA Longstrike wrote:^**** happens, minor inconveniences are not a good reason to change positive, functioning mechanics into things that are overall negative and non-functioning. Not hitting the 'help' button is the exact same thing as denying a revive. I run 50-80% needles on a lot of fits, not being able to revive people who are safe feels ****ing terrible.
It wasnt minor it was abused big time, btw what is wrong on new "call4help"mechanique, its basicaly same only prewenting fishing SP, nothing else.
Cooperative players will want take back to battle if they will see its save and its good mechanic even for you -> He dont call ergo there is someone!! 
"Nanohives, repairs or droplinks, just ask me on field i can tink anything"
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MINA Longstrike
Kirjuun Heiian
1534
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Posted - 2014.11.04 16:05:00 -
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SOME IDIOT wrote:It wasnt minor it was abused big time
It was minor, and it was explained what is wrong with the new mechanics above. You're kind of ****ing dumb aren't you?
Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian.
I have a few alts.
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Auris Lionesse
Kang Lo Directorate
Gallente Federation
1087
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Posted - 2014.11.04 16:09:00 -
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#no means no
#prochoice
#yes all mercs
Don't vote for iron wolf saber.
Vote for someone who will help the community i.e. anyone else.
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Sergeant Sazu
Algintal Core
Gallente Federation
162
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Posted - 2014.11.04 16:38:00 -
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I love this thread.
"I'm right, everything is about me. If it wasn't a problem for me, it wasn't a problem for anyone. Anyone who disagrees is stupid. Also, real life comparisons are valid."
Nice logic, MINA. Protip: flaming people and demonstrating self-centered thinking reduces credibility. Even if you're right, I'm not inclined to see your point with that attitude of yours. It's just how debates work.
"Go, Militia Swarms!"
1272 damage! It's super effective!
[32.7m SP - Next skill: Precision Enhancement 3]
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DarthPlagueis TheWise
272
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Posted - 2014.11.04 16:42:00 -
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MINA Longstrike wrote:Furthermore, people cant make a request to be picked up if they get off the screen too quickly or an area is too flooded with equipment. This is an idiotic change all because KDR people whined long and hard.
Wait, so equipment spam is lagging out the call for help thing?
Mina is making a lot of good points, guys. This was a lazy fix for CCP because it must have been too much of a challenge for them to simply write some new code that doesn't hurt your KDR if you get troll needled.
Bolas deploys tank in strategic location
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MINA Longstrike
Kirjuun Heiian
1538
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Posted - 2014.11.04 17:16:00 -
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Sergeant Sazu wrote:I love this thread.
"I'm right, everything is about me. If it wasn't a problem for me, it wasn't a problem for anyone. Anyone who disagrees is stupid. Also, real life comparisons are valid."
Nice logic, MINA. Protip: flaming people and demonstrating self-centered thinking reduces credibility. Even if you're right, I'm not inclined to see your point with that attitude of yours. It's just how debates work.
"I'm going to disregard all the points you've made, call you self centered and then claim you're wrong even if you're right because I don't like that you feel this treats the symptom not the problem".
You sure are good at debating yourself.
Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian.
I have a few alts.
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Kaze Eyrou
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
888
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Posted - 2014.11.04 17:19:00 -
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MINA Longstrike wrote:SagaB wrote:Wouldn't this stop teamkill needlespam in fw? You can't get rezzed without pressing help right? That's not as big of a problem as it's made out to be honestly. Also in real life EMT's don't need your permission to save your life if you're unable to speak, why should logi's?
EMT's in real life are also not knocking you unconscious with a hailstorm of bullets after reviving you either.
Try again.
Closed Beta Vet // Logi Bro // @KazeEyrou
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bane sieg
Damaged Beyond Repair
5
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Posted - 2014.11.04 17:21:00 -
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The fix to this is limiting the number of your teams clones you can waste. If a guy goes 0 / 10 he shouldnt be allowed to keep spawning in, especially if he refuses to be picked up. One stupid blueberry doing that can cost the entire match |
MINA Longstrike
Kirjuun Heiian
1538
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Posted - 2014.11.04 17:31:00 -
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Kaze Eyrou wrote:MINA Longstrike wrote:SagaB wrote:Wouldn't this stop teamkill needlespam in fw? You can't get rezzed without pressing help right? That's not as big of a problem as it's made out to be honestly. Also in real life EMT's don't need your permission to save your life if you're unable to speak, why should logi's? EMT's in real life are also not knocking you unconscious with a hailstorm of bullets after reviving you either. Try again.
Logi's don't do that in dust either. Unless you're talking about facwar which means you're referring to a niche problem and it means that the symptom is being treated not the problem.
Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian.
I have a few alts.
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Kalante Schiffer
YOU GOT OWNED BY A CHRONIC FAPPER
815
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Posted - 2014.11.04 17:38:00 -
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MINA Longstrike wrote:SagaB wrote:Wouldn't this stop teamkill needlespam in fw? You can't get rezzed without pressing help right? That's not as big of a problem as it's made out to be honestly. Also in real life EMT's don't need your permission to save your life if you're unable to speak, why should logi's? seriously we are comparing real life situations to a game now?
70m sp vet. Ancient æ Gÿ¦xiles . What can not be understand.
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Meee One
Amakakeru-Ryu-no-Hirameki
1244
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Posted - 2014.11.04 17:45:00 -
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RayRay James wrote:Awesome Pantaloons wrote: I want to die! It's my body and only I decide what happens to it. Not according to 46 of the 50 United States
Murdering a baby and discarding a clone because it's convenient are two different things.
Official Blueberry of the Forums.
Title given by my #1 fan Sgt Kirk.
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Kaze Eyrou
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
890
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Posted - 2014.11.04 17:49:00 -
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MINA Longstrike wrote:Kaze Eyrou wrote:MINA Longstrike wrote:SagaB wrote:Wouldn't this stop teamkill needlespam in fw? You can't get rezzed without pressing help right? That's not as big of a problem as it's made out to be honestly. Also in real life EMT's don't need your permission to save your life if you're unable to speak, why should logi's? EMT's in real life are also not knocking you unconscious with a hailstorm of bullets after reviving you either. Try again. Logi's don't do that in dust either. Unless you're talking about facwar which means you're referring to a niche problem and it means that the symptom is being treated not the problem.
And now, neither the symptom nor the problem show up.
At which point I will argue per your original post:
"That's not as big of a problem as it's made out to be honestly."
And further elaborate by saying, this buffs needles. No longer am I rushing to revive an ally, only to be inches away from reviving him and finding out that they never wanted to be revived in the first place, and they are respawning elsewhere.
Closed Beta Vet // Logi Bro // @KazeEyrou
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Kaze Eyrou
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
890
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Posted - 2014.11.04 17:50:00 -
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Kalante Schiffer wrote:MINA Longstrike wrote:SagaB wrote:Wouldn't this stop teamkill needlespam in fw? You can't get rezzed without pressing help right? That's not as big of a problem as it's made out to be honestly. Also in real life EMT's don't need your permission to save your life if you're unable to speak, why should logi's? seriously we are comparing real life situations to a game now?
LOL.
If so:
"Brittany Maynard"
*drops mic*
Closed Beta Vet // Logi Bro // @KazeEyrou
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CUSE WarLord
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
15
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Posted - 2014.11.04 17:53:00 -
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MINA Longstrike wrote:Who honestly thought caving to people who got a 'bad needle' once or twice was a good idea? These needle changes are completely moronic. you need to ask before you go Rambo reviving my body. bought time they put a stop to all these noobs running around with needles.
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RayRay James
Vengeance Unbound
RISE of LEGION
685
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Posted - 2014.11.04 17:56:00 -
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Meee One wrote:RayRay James wrote:Awesome Pantaloons wrote: I want to die! It's my body and only I decide what happens to it. Not according to 46 of the 50 United States Murdering a baby and discarding a clone because it's convenient are two different things.
Aborting a Baby has nothing to do with what I was talking about. Besides, abortion is legal in all 50 US states thanks to Roe vs Wade.
Assisted Suicide, however, is what I was talking about. It is legal only in 5 states ( I missed one). OR, WA, MT, VT, and NM allow for doctor assisted suicide.
Also:
Joke
Your head. |
FraggerMike
G.R.A.V.E
INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS
261
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Posted - 2014.11.04 18:02:00 -
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Absolutely amazing that players think they have the "right" to resus.
You choose to run with needles instead of gun. Fine, no problem. Hope you get lots of WP, seriously.
However, it is MY choice to be resus. Period. I don't need to feed your WP with my deaths, repeatedly.
That's kinda like telling a raspberry to stand still so I can repeatedly shoot 'em down, just for the WP.
Remember, you chose to be a Medic, I did not choose you to be one.
And dying repeatedly doesn't get me any WP, but choosing to die quickly and return to fight more does.
C.E.O. of G.R.A.V.E
Battles on Youtube channel:
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gauntlet44 LbowDeep
Heaven84 Devils
General Tso's Alliance
165
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Posted - 2014.11.04 18:03:00 -
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all you have to do is press the x button and then the logi will press his o button when he gets near you.
are you really complaining about having to press a button to let your team know you want revived?
also play as strangeland stranger,
larlac theest,
gauntlett5487,
and balacs sixkin
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LAVALLOIS Nash
QcGOLD
270
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Posted - 2014.11.04 18:21:00 -
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I think the change would have gone over easier if it had been done a little differently. Instead of making the call for help mandatory, they should have added a "terminate" button instead. That way someone who doesn't want a revive could move on, but new or cautions players could still be available if a logi spawns millisecond before they redeploy.
I understand the situation isnt always idea, but to be honest, i kind of like it when im about to redeploy and blow more ISK on a suit....and get revived. Sometimes it happens perfectly where I get a last second revive in a 80,000ISK suit and I can then limp to a supply depot and resuit. Now im going to have to sit there and "call for help" for 20 seconds. |
Riruodo
Templar Investigative Commission
400
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Posted - 2014.11.04 19:04:00 -
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Awesome Pantaloons wrote:I get revived by dumbass needle-fishers OFTEN. Not once or twice, not even ten times. I can safely say that over my long Dust career, no fewer than one hundred deaths can be attributed to some stab-happy fuckwit. Screw your warpoints, I want to die! It's my body and only I decide what happens to it.
See, this is why I hate running as a logi. People get mad at me if I don't revive them and they're sitting in the middle of a firefight and I'm having to take out that pesky scout with a shotgun...
and then other times they get mad at me when I DO revive them and a sniper or something takes them out. So I revive them again because they are super close to getting to cover.
And then they send me hatemail telling me I'm a stupid b****. So I'm like ok, I won't revive you. And spend the rest of the match watching little needle icons blink back and forth.
So it goes both ways and I'll be happy to watch your clone be terminated.
Utena Tenjou is my prince in shining armor.
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MINA Longstrike
Kirjuun Heiian
1540
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Posted - 2014.11.04 19:10:00 -
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Riruodo wrote:Awesome Pantaloons wrote:I get revived by dumbass needle-fishers OFTEN. Not once or twice, not even ten times. I can safely say that over my long Dust career, no fewer than one hundred deaths can be attributed to some stab-happy fuckwit. Screw your warpoints, I want to die! It's my body and only I decide what happens to it. See, this is why I hate running as a logi. People get mad at me if I don't revive them and they're sitting in the middle of a firefight and I'm having to take out that pesky scout with a shotgun... and then other times they get mad at me when I DO revive them and a sniper or something takes them out. So I revive them again because they are super close to getting to cover. And then they send me hatemail telling me I'm a stupid b****. So I'm like ok, I won't revive you. And spend the rest of the match watching little needle icons blink back and forth. So it goes both ways and I'll be happy to watch your clone be terminated.
I think I'm just going to remove all equipment from all of my characters for the next few weeks. Any time I need something I'm just going to turn around and walk back to the supply depot in my redline. If there isn't one, or it's been blown up I'm just going to afk the rest of the match. If I see a friendly nanohive I'll stand on it and throw grenades till it runs out.
People within this game are so antagonistic towards anyone actually trying to be of assistance that its prettymuch a situation where I'm ready to throw my hands up in the air.
It's astonishingly and truly frightening the amount of people are seriously missing the problem and the point here, because 'hurf durf KDR' & 'one time I got revived and it was awful'
Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian.
I have a few alts.
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FraggerMike
G.R.A.V.E
INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS
262
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Posted - 2014.11.04 20:32:00 -
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:) In reality, I DO appreciate Logical Logi action. I just don't see that often.
Don't give it up, just change it up a bit.
Raspberries (including myself) will always watch for that member being resus'd just to get that easy kill (and, admittedly, it does give me a bit of a chuckle when they repeatedly get resus'd and shot back down).
And, I don't ever worry about how someone else views my gameplay. It's my game, I'll play it the way I want to. As I expect everyone else to do.
So to all Logi's -- thank you for resus'n me when I'm not under heavy fire !
C.E.O. of G.R.A.V.E
Battles on Youtube channel:
G.R.A.V.E
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Sigberct Amni
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
786
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Posted - 2014.11.04 20:38:00 -
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All my many hours laughing and needle destroying your K/DR... culminated in this thread full of amazing tears. God bless pubbies and God bless CCP. |
MINA Longstrike
Kirjuun Heiian
1541
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Posted - 2014.11.04 20:40:00 -
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Sigberct Amni wrote:All my many hours laughing and needle destroying your K/DR... culminated in this thread full of amazing tears. God bless pubbies and God bless CCP.
Why are you dismissing legitimate valid complaints as tears?
Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian.
I have a few alts.
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FraggerMike
G.R.A.V.E
INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS
262
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Posted - 2014.11.04 20:42:00 -
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Oh, I forgot. NO, it's not my k/dr that is the issue.
It is 100k+ suits that get insta-gibbed, repeatedly, that gets to me.
C.E.O. of G.R.A.V.E
Battles on Youtube channel:
G.R.A.V.E
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P14GU3
Savage Bullet
901
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Posted - 2014.11.04 20:52:00 -
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FraggerMike wrote:Oh, I forgot. NO, it's not my k/dr that is the issue. It is 100k+ suits that get insta-gibbed, repeatedly, that gets to me.
You dont lose a suit when being revived, so k/d r is the only thing that takes a hit. If its the 100k you are worried about, you wouldnt mind being revived 100 times if it saves the suit..
Edit: also I use a proto needle so a 100k suit sure wont be instagibbed.
I only play dust514ums now. It was always more fun than the actual game anyways.
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Kristoff Atruin
Subdreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
2246
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Posted - 2014.11.04 20:58:00 -
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I always got way more points from a repair tool than an injector, to the point where I often just didn't carry one unless people in my squad were planning to use really nice gear and stick together. I'm not sure that I really agree with the change though, even if it does put and end to tubthumping (killing a friendly then reviving him over and over) which was an extremely rare occurrence and did nothing but damage the pride of the victim. Who frequently deserved it.
What this is probably going to do is further dumb down the strategic part of pub battles, where the conservation of clones and equipment matters. The KDR chasers will always let themselves bleed out while being completely ignorant of the fact that they're hurting their team and that there's a dude with a 100% heal needle right behind them. These things are what makes using really expensive gear viable.
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Sigberct Amni
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
787
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Posted - 2014.11.04 20:58:00 -
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MINA Longstrike wrote:Sigberct Amni wrote:All my many hours laughing and needle destroying your K/DR... culminated in this thread full of amazing tears. God bless pubbies and God bless CCP. Why are you dismissing legitimate valid complaints as tears?
When I said 'your' I was using it in the royal 'we' sense. AKA everyone who's super angry about losing K/D to being needle diddled. Not you as in the OP.
Fun Fact: Goons bitched about needling years ago and wanted needles to both be effective and useful and NOT a hated object. Instead CCP was silent, so we abused needles. Now we have what we have today, awful bandaid fix and this thread full of people who would rather cut off the nose to spite the face.
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Sergeant Sazu wrote:I love this thread.
"I'm right, everything is about me. If it wasn't a problem for me, it wasn't a problem for anyone. Anyone who disagrees is stupid. Also, real life comparisons are valid."
Nice logic, MINA. Protip: flaming people and demonstrating self-centered thinking reduces credibility. Even if you're right, I'm not inclined to see your point with that attitude of yours. It's just how debates work.
MINA Longstrike wrote:
It's astonishingly and truly frightening the amount of people are seriously missing the problem and the point here
Sorry yeah I would've looked harder but couldn't see past all your vitriol. You should listen to Sergeant Sazu.
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Posted - 2014.11.04 21:33:00 -
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Remove needle change.
Re-create an anti-nanite injector abuse mechanism
A person who revives a player with an injector will not get the warpoints from doing so until the other player has survived at least
3 or so seconds. If they have survived less then 3 or so seconds the reviver will not be given warpoints and no one will be able to revive that player's clone for the same amount of time it needed to stay alive (3 seconds)
Problem solved.
KD/R whores can go commit seppuku to ruin the ratio for all we care.
Yes it's going to be an extremely bad change and further disbalance logistics gameplay.
But you're wasting your time, Mina. Don't stress yourself that much.
Besides that some people will just be trolling you on this post.
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Posted - 2014.11.04 21:37:00 -
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P14GU3 wrote:FraggerMike wrote:Oh, I forgot. NO, it's not my k/dr that is the issue. It is 100k+ suits that get insta-gibbed, repeatedly, that gets to me. You dont lose a suit when being revived, so k/d r is the only thing that takes a hit. If its the 100k you are worried about, you wouldnt mind being revived 100 times if it saves the suit.. Edit: also I use a proto needle so a 100k suit sure wont be instagibbed.
True enough. But personally its not KDR that gets me annoyed about being needled...... it's the genuine lack of thought this other players has put into the whole exercise.
God knows I appreciate your bravery and nerves of steel for rushing to my aid under fire...... but seriously why are you resuscitating me if we are both very likely to die instantly. It's now not the loss of one clone its probably 2.
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Posted - 2014.11.04 21:41:00 -
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I'm having a hard time seeing the issue here, **** them let them die.
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Posted - 2014.11.04 21:57:00 -
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Is there even a negative to getting revived only to get killed instantly? Best case if getting revived in crossfire is you save a suit and the team a clone. Worst case? You're right back where you were before the revive.
It is 2014 people, online shooters have been a modern day staple in our society for several years now. I can't believe so many people still care about KDR.
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Posted - 2014.11.04 22:00:00 -
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MINA Longstrike wrote:Who honestly thought caving to people who got a 'bad needle' once or twice was a good idea? These needle changes are completely moronic.
i agree somewhat.. there should be an auto call for help after 5-10 seconds or something.. in FW however we are more knowledgeable so keep it as is for FW so we can avoid A-hole awoxers chain killing us
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Posted - 2014.11.04 22:00:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:Is there even a negative to getting revived only to get killed instantly? Best case if getting revived in crossfire is you save a suit and the team a clone. Worst case? You're right back where you were before the revive.
It is 2014 people, online shooters have been a modern day staple in our society for several years now. I can't believe so many people still care about KDR.
yes, every time you get downed thats +1 death
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2014.11.04 22:02:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:Is there even a negative to getting revived only to get killed instantly? Best case if getting revived in crossfire is you save a suit and the team a clone. Worst case? You're right back where you were before the revive.
It is 2014 people, online shooters have been a modern day staple in our society for several years now. I can't believe so many people still care about KDR.
Of course there is no down side but its pointless if you **** it up.
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True Adamance wrote:P14GU3 wrote:FraggerMike wrote:Oh, I forgot. NO, it's not my k/dr that is the issue. It is 100k+ suits that get insta-gibbed, repeatedly, that gets to me. You dont lose a suit when being revived, so k/d r is the only thing that takes a hit. If its the 100k you are worried about, you wouldnt mind being revived 100 times if it saves the suit.. Edit: also I use a proto needle so a 100k suit sure wont be instagibbed. True enough. But personally its not KDR that gets me annoyed about being needled...... it's the genuine lack of thought this other players has put into the whole exercise. God knows I appreciate your bravery and nerves of steel for rushing to my aid under fire...... but seriously why are you resuscitating me if we are both very likely to die instantly. It's now not the loss of one clone its probably 2.
If I think I'll for trying to res you I will let you die, but he'll if I can easily get to you and reVive you I will, even if three are a lot of enemies nearby, because see my post above. Even if it's more likely you'll die, there is no negative to anyone for that except your KDR, and maybe you'll get lucky and live. I've revived enough people in crossfire (with 80%) to know you survive these situations alot more than you think.
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Posted - 2014.11.04 22:04:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:Is there even a negative to getting revived only to get killed instantly? Best case if getting revived in crossfire is you save a suit and the team a clone. Worst case? You're right back where you were before the revive.
It is 2014 people, online shooters have been a modern day staple in our society for several years now. I can't believe so many people still care about KDR. Of course there is no down side but its pointless if you **** it up.
And what if you don't?
Worst case: We're right back where we started.
Best case: You survive and save our team a clone.
It is an absolutely 0 risk move to benefit the team. So why not?
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RayRay James wrote:Meee One wrote:RayRay James wrote:Awesome Pantaloons wrote: I want to die! It's my body and only I decide what happens to it. Not according to 46 of the 50 United States Murdering a baby and discarding a clone because it's convenient are two different things. Under the law, abortion isn't murder. Your specific take on it might be that it is murder, but that's irrelevant to this discussion. Also, aborting a Baby has nothing to do with what I was talking about. Besides, abortion is legal in all 50 US states thanks to Roe vs Wade. Assisted Suicide, however, is what I was talking about. It is legal only in 5 states ( I missed one). OR, WA, MT, VT, and NM allow for doctor assisted suicide. That's where my (now edited) "Not according to 45 of the 50 United States" comment came from. Also: Joke Your head.
Oh,if that's what your talking about then i can tell you why.
We are all born slaves.
Consider the following:
-you are assigned your name,you don't choose it
-you are assigned a number (in the US,your SSN)
-you are tax deductible (like a business expense such as a car)
-you are forced to follow 'rules' (laws) that you never agreed to
-if you disobey those "rules",taskmasters are sent after you to hurt you and have permission from a third party you don't even know to kill you if you refuse them and try to remain free
-these taskmasters can then throw you into a cage (like an animal)
-the taskmasters decide when you can leave said cage,if you try to leave early they will kill you
-there is no such thing as selfdefense when it comes to taskmasters,if you try to defend yourself they only get more violent
-taskmasters are seen as "Heros" and any that disagree are automatically "villians"
So you see,just because you can't see the bars,it doesn't mean they aren't there.
You are owned,which is why you need your masters permission to do self harm.
This permission is laws.
Blow your mind?
Thought so.
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Posted - 2014.11.04 22:10:00 -
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i knew this one logi who will probably quit.. he has like a 0.08 KDR his whole playstyle revolved around going 1rst place with dirty needle despite his pathetic KDR and everyone elses. sad thing is he's not even a troll he seriously considered himself the best player because of his dirty WP. no sympathy for his type, none.
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2014.11.04 22:16:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:True Adamance wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:Is there even a negative to getting revived only to get killed instantly? Best case if getting revived in crossfire is you save a suit and the team a clone. Worst case? You're right back where you were before the revive.
It is 2014 people, online shooters have been a modern day staple in our society for several years now. I can't believe so many people still care about KDR. Of course there is no down side but its pointless if you **** it up. And what if you don't? Worst case: We're right back where we started. Best case: You survive and save our team a clone. It is an absolutely 0 risk move to benefit the team. So why not?
Eh I'll do what I'm told you are the squad leader after all.
Primarily one of the reasons I now am permanent tanker in solo games. I don't have to deal with that irksome mechanic.
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Posted - 2014.11.04 22:18:00 -
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since we're on the topic of logis, did CCP release the Quafe logi set?
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el OPERATOR
Capital Acquisitions LLC
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.11.04 22:20:00 -
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el OPERATOR wrote: **** them let them die .
Open-Beta Vet.
Drunk Night Tree Burner.
This is my Main and Original.
DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR.
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TEBOW BAGGINS
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Posted - 2014.11.04 22:27:00 -
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most of the time i don't even like my team they deserve no WP and certainly dont deserve a win..
also KDR is important for shutting down a noob running mouth in local
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Riruodo
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Posted - 2014.11.04 22:28:00 -
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TEBOW BAGGINS wrote:most of the time i don't even like my team they deserve no WP and certainly dont deserve a win...
That's the spirit.
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Zatara Rought
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
4310
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Posted - 2014.11.04 22:33:00 -
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MINA Longstrike wrote:Joel II X wrote:If you're complaining about how you can only get people up if they ask to do so, then screw you.
If not, then I have no idea what you're talking about. That's exactly what I'm pissed about. Yes, bad needles happen, this change is once again the wrong way to go about it - 1) a 'death' shouldn't be counted until the clone is terminated, 2) warpoints for a revive should require the target to stay alive a minimum amount of time. Arbitrarily preventing people from using a piece of equipment designed to sustain pressure and save suits and clones is idiotic. Furthermore, people cant make a request to be picked up if they get off the screen too quickly or an area is too flooded with equipment. This is an idiotic change all because KDR people whined long and hard.
Even if that was the case...you'd still be giving the other team a lot more wp's if you have dumbass people picking up mercs in **** poor conditions.
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Reign Omega
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Posted - 2014.11.04 22:37:00 -
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Even as a dedicated logi I think this is a good idea, although I haven't had a chance to play 1.9 yet as the download is acting fishy for me. I like the idea for several reasons, be prepared to read this list.
1. Needle spammers.
2. Clueless though genuinely trying to help logi players
3. Someone wanted to change suits after death to a suit that will actually help the situation but NOPE, got rez.
4. Someone isnt aware enough of game mechanics to know there is a "call for help" button so they probably cant read, or cant shoot, and therefore deserve to die.
5. Im holding off on calling for help because I can see the area around my body, or my body is providing passive scans to my squad so it just isnt the right time to rush in and pick me up.
6. Five is a decent amount of reasons for now.
Ideally the option to either call for help, or get needled and choose to revive on your own allows most smart players to better control the flow of their own battles a bit better, rather than just randomly being thrust back into whatever situation falls on their heads and being forced to freestyle to safety. It is just a generally smarter choice at this stage in the game.
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postapo wastelander
Wasteland Desert Rangers
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Posted - 2014.11.04 22:38:00 -
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How many times i was took up by real medic with quality needle maybe six times.
How many times i was furious from some SP fisher who took me up in middle of crossfire withou HPs, cant count how many times and sometimes even three times in row to be killed once more.
From my humble observation "call4help" implementation was AWESOME
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Onslaught Inc
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Posted - 2014.11.04 22:48:00 -
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MINA Longstrike wrote:Joel II X wrote:If you're complaining about how you can only get people up if they ask to do so, then screw you.
If not, then I have no idea what you're talking about. That's exactly what I'm pissed about. Yes, bad needles happen, this change is once again the wrong way to go about it - 1) a 'death' shouldn't be counted until the clone is terminated, 2) warpoints for a revive should require the target to stay alive a minimum amount of time. Arbitrarily preventing people from using a piece of equipment designed to sustain pressure and save suits and clones is idiotic. Furthermore, people cant make a request to be picked up if they get off the screen too quickly or an area is too flooded with equipment. This is an idiotic change all because KDR people whined long and hard.
If we were to do this your way, then you would have to add the anti-boosting bits too. So it would be:
1) A 'death' shouldn't be counted until the clone is terminated.
2) A "kill" shouldn't be counted unless the clone is terminated.
3) War Points for a revive should require the target to stay alive a minimum amount of time.
4) War Points for a kill shouldn't be counted until the clone is terminated.
And even then, you should still be able to opt out (as opposed to the "opting in" for the revive approach currently deployed). Getting revived should still be the ultimate decision of the player dealing with a situation, and at a minimum an easy access suicide button should always be at the ready to help block trolls.
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Posted - 2014.11.05 00:39:00 -
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MINA Longstrike wrote:Sergeant Sazu wrote:I love this thread.
"I'm right, everything is about me. If it wasn't a problem for me, it wasn't a problem for anyone. Anyone who disagrees is stupid. Also, real life comparisons are valid."
Nice logic, MINA. Protip: flaming people and demonstrating self-centered thinking reduces credibility. Even if you're right, I'm not inclined to see your point with that attitude of yours. It's just how debates work. "I'm going to disregard all the points you've made, call you self centered and then claim you're wrong even if you're right because I don't like that you feel this treats the symptom not the problem". You sure are good at debating yourself.
Sorry I'm late. :)
-I didn't disregard your points, I'm nitpicking about your aggressive presentation of such points. Which makes it difficult to see the points you're making. Again, that's how debates work.
-I'm calling you self-centered because you drew conclusions purely on your own accounts of the situation. This is an unreliable way to form valid complaints.
-I never claimed you were wrong. If it looks that way, it's just bad wording. I do it a lot. No one can make the claim that you're right or wrong, since this is day 1 of 1.9. Always wait for things to smooth over before drawing conclusions.
-I never inputted anything about the problem itself or it's symptoms.
I may not be good at debating, but you're not much better off.
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G.R.A.V.E
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Posted - 2014.11.05 02:13:00 -
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P14GU3 wrote:FraggerMike wrote:Oh, I forgot. NO, it's not my k/dr that is the issue. It is 100k+ suits that get insta-gibbed, repeatedly, that gets to me. You dont lose a suit when being revived, so k/d r is the only thing that takes a hit. If its the 100k you are worried about, you wouldnt mind being revived 100 times if it saves the suit.. Edit: also I use a proto needle so a 100k suit sure wont be instagibbed.
This is true... but it still gets to me. Usually I still die, as the stabber also usually dies trying to revive me, repeatedly.
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Posted - 2014.11.05 03:48:00 -
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Baal Omniscient wrote:MINA Longstrike wrote:Joel II X wrote:If you're complaining about how you can only get people up if they ask to do so, then screw you.
If not, then I have no idea what you're talking about. That's exactly what I'm pissed about. Yes, bad needles happen, this change is once again the wrong way to go about it - 1) a 'death' shouldn't be counted until the clone is terminated, 2) warpoints for a revive should require the target to stay alive a minimum amount of time. Arbitrarily preventing people from using a piece of equipment designed to sustain pressure and save suits and clones is idiotic. Furthermore, people cant make a request to be picked up if they get off the screen too quickly or an area is too flooded with equipment. This is an idiotic change all because KDR people whined long and hard. If we were to do this your way, then you would have to add the anti-boosting bits too. So it would be: 1) A 'death' shouldn't be counted until the clone is terminated. 2) A "kill" shouldn't be counted unless the clone is terminated. 3) War Points for a revive should require the target to stay alive a minimum amount of time. 4) War Points for a kill shouldn't be counted until the clone is terminated. And even then, you should still be able to opt out (as opposed to the "opting in" for the revive approach currently deployed). Getting revived should still be the ultimate decision of the player dealing with a situation, and at a minimum an easy access suicide button should always be at the ready to help block trolls.
Im all for the "accept revive" over the "request revive" option.
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Imp Smash
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
308
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Posted - 2014.11.05 04:22:00 -
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Awesome Pantaloons wrote:I get revived by dumbass needle-fishers OFTEN. Not once or twice, not even ten times. I can safely say that over my long Dust career, no fewer than one hundred deaths can be attributed to some stab-happy fuckwit. Screw your warpoints, I want to die! It's my body and only I decide what happens to it.
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Michael Arck
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Posted - 2014.11.05 04:27:00 -
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It wasn't "once or twice" Mina...
Many mercs, such as myself have been requesting this for a very long time.
Why?
Because silly blueberries would revive in the line of fire
Last match I played before 1.9, I sat behind a moe hill and just farmed this guy. Blueberry kept on reviving the heavy.
tat,tat,tat,tat,tat, tat!
He came back on to revive heavy
tat,tat,tat,tat,tat, tat!
He was going to do it again, but I shot the guy just to save the poor chap being revived over and over, the fustration.
So um, yea...wait for the call for help logi. That's it. Bad farming logis has impacted this game long enough.
I welcome the changes
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TIGER SHARK1501
Savage Bullet
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Posted - 2014.11.06 03:51:00 -
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MINA Longstrike wrote:postapo wastelander wrote:MINA Longstrike wrote:Who honestly thought caving to people who got a 'bad needle' once or twice was a good idea? These needle changes are completely moronic. Honeslty i like new needle change, mercs will finaly have chance to be resucted safely without possibility of crossfire around. Why ever fit 50-100% needles if you are only allowed to use them 'out of combat' or on people who are expected to already know what you have fit? A 'dead' sentinel picked up with 80% shields and armor can handily stop a whole advance and that's kind of the point of higher tier needles - the ability to use them in combat, even in high-crossfire situations. Even low tier needles give you a *chance* if an enemy has to say reload or a person body-blocks some shots for you. I mean I already know you're not the sharpest tool in the shed, but why carry around a piece of equipment when one isn't even able to actually use it the majority of the time? I have never, ever gotten upset at a bad needle for two reasons 1) the clone isn't mine it's the teams and 2) as suit value goes up needles are inherently more valuable and the effort of attempting to save or be saved by someone is much more appreciable.
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TIGER SHARK1501
Savage Bullet
51
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Posted - 2014.11.06 03:53:00 -
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There is also consideration of trolls, team killers and the ever popular stat padders. This will help people in Factional Warfare. |
True Adamance
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Posted - 2014.11.06 03:54:00 -
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TIGER SHARK1501 wrote:There is also consideration of trolls, team killers and the ever popular stat padders. This will help people in Factional Warfare.
It was never and issue is Faction Warfare.
I'm sure other dedicated players had their own ways of dealing with them just like we did.
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TIGER SHARK1501
Savage Bullet
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Posted - 2014.11.06 03:57:00 -
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MINA Longstrike wrote:^**** happens, minor inconveniences are not a good reason to change positive, functioning mechanics into things that are overall negative and non-functioning. Not hitting the 'help' button is the exact same thing as denying a revive. I run 50-80% needles on a lot of fits, not being able to revive people who are safe feels ****ing terrible.
Not everyone is like you and when people use poor judgment attempting to help team mates again and again is takes away from the enjoyment of the game. Also in consideration you complain because people are denying YOU points because they do not wish for your assistance. |
Kuruld Sengar
Bloodline Rebellion
Capital Punishment.
25
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Posted - 2014.11.06 04:02:00 -
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Only read the title, one thing to say.
I get picked up far more often now that needle requests are a commodity instead of a privilege granted by the logi. |
castba
Holdfast Syndicate
Amarr Empire
635
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Posted - 2014.11.06 04:14:00 -
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Would be nice if there were options to select which would limit the needle tier that could be used on you.
Selection 1: any tier needle
Selection 2: adv or proto only
Selection 3: proto only
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TIGER SHARK1501
Savage Bullet
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Posted - 2014.11.06 04:26:00 -
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Zatara Rought wrote:MINA Longstrike wrote:Joel II X wrote:If you're complaining about how you can only get people up if they ask to do so, then screw you.
If not, then I have no idea what you're talking about. That's exactly what I'm pissed about. Yes, bad needles happen, this change is once again the wrong way to go about it - 1) a 'death' shouldn't be counted until the clone is terminated, 2) warpoints for a revive should require the target to stay alive a minimum amount of time. Arbitrarily preventing people from using a piece of equipment designed to sustain pressure and save suits and clones is idiotic. Furthermore, people cant make a request to be picked up if they get off the screen too quickly or an area is too flooded with equipment. This is an idiotic change all because KDR people whined long and hard. Even if that was the case...you'd still be giving the other team a lot more wp's if you have dumbass people picking up mercs in **** poor conditions.
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Posted - 2014.11.06 07:06:00 -
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Baal Omniscient wrote:MINA Longstrike wrote:Joel II X wrote:If you're complaining about how you can only get people up if they ask to do so, then screw you.
If not, then I have no idea what you're talking about. That's exactly what I'm pissed about. Yes, bad needles happen, this change is once again the wrong way to go about it - 1) a 'death' shouldn't be counted until the clone is terminated, 2) warpoints for a revive should require the target to stay alive a minimum amount of time. Arbitrarily preventing people from using a piece of equipment designed to sustain pressure and save suits and clones is idiotic. Furthermore, people cant make a request to be picked up if they get off the screen too quickly or an area is too flooded with equipment. This is an idiotic change all because KDR people whined long and hard. If we were to do this your way, then you would have to add the anti-boosting bits too. So it would be: 1) A 'death' shouldn't be counted until the clone is terminated. 2) A "kill" shouldn't be counted unless the clone is terminated. 3) War Points for a revive should require the target to stay alive a minimum amount of time. 4) War Points for a kill shouldn't be counted until the clone is terminated. And even then, you should still be able to opt out (as opposed to the "opting in" for the revive approach currently deployed). Getting revived should still be the ultimate decision of the player dealing with a situation, and at a minimum an easy access suicide button should always be at the ready to help block trolls.
You're right, I missed a few 'anti-boosting' points. This is exactly how the system should be. The only nitpick I have is that you should still get points for attempting to revive someone who ends up not accepting it anyways, because hey, you did actually stick them with the needle.
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Posted - 2014.11.06 07:29:00 -
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It was abused...CCP did something about, stop whining because that 60 points at the cost of feeding the enemy team free kills is now harder for.you to get.
Original Commando, before all you posers just saying
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PARKOUR PRACTIONER
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Posted - 2014.11.06 07:42:00 -
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Im a little late but i can vouche for postapos competence, and i agree with him. If you dont want to hear anything but your right MINA
your opinion is correct even when its wrong its still right then i recommend you surround yourself with patsys that will wipe your ***hole
for you. And as postapos friend, i impolitely tell you to **** yourself. Prejudice against autistics much?
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MINA Longstrike
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Posted - 2014.11.06 08:18:00 -
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^Not even sure where about 3/4 of that is coming from.
What I'm saying is that they took a system that for the most part worked - it wasn't perfect, it needed some improvements, but it worked - and it was thrown out the window to largely cater to people who whined about KDR. Now speaking as someone with some programming experience you do not ever throw away something that works, unless it is so screwed up it needs a complete rethink/redesign from the ground up and even then you try to preserve as much of the original as possible, ie. you don't ever, ever break functionality if you cannot help it.
Yes I've spouted some vitriol about these changes, however being angry about something doesn't mean the arguments I've made do not have any merit, that's attacking a characteristic of the person making the argument not disproving the argument itself.
And If anything parkour, I'm prejudiced against people in general. Misanthropy is a thing.
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Posted - 2014.11.06 08:19:00 -
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Threat is now with substance.
Witnesses Aero score 5200 WP on his own in a domination.
Logi's without WP is officially over.
((I logi'd as well and scored an abysmal 1825 WP))
GÇ£How does this all work then?GÇ¥
GÇ£Like so Choirboy.GÇ¥
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Dem Durrty Boyz
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Posted - 2014.11.06 08:22:00 -
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I haven't played in a while, but people still use needles? I thought it was all about Uplink spam, and they clash so... |
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Posted - 2014.11.06 08:57:00 -
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I can agree with that Mina. For the most part it wasn't broken but at times the part that was brokencompletely outweigh
the usefulness
of it. I think more people then they admitcare about KDR, but i dont think thats the problem.
I think the problem is the incompetence of the majority and greed. Id rather have accept revive decline revive like in BF.
I think this current way is better, but like the old one could use tweaking. I take extreme offensive to attacks verbal or otherwise
of autistics people whether there aware they have autism and what it means or not. Im getting help with it but as you can see its a
work in progress.
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MINA Longstrike
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Posted - 2014.11.06 09:16:00 -
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PARKOUR PRACTIONER wrote:I take extreme offensive to attacks verbal or otherwise of autistics people whether there aware they have autism and what it means or not. Im getting help with it but as you can see its a
work in progress.
I looked that **** up im more of cynical myself. I have autism but also anti-social and have little faith in the human race.
Is it spectrum autism? Like Asperger's? I'm sorry if you felt that I was attacking you. It's one thing to be frustrated about game mechanics or to express anger over someone's behaviour (in short, my issues with various CPM are with them alone) but another completely to attack a person over whatever disorders they might have - I myself suffer from an anger disorder and fall within the 10% lifetime persistence group and an ongoing struggle with chronic depression (13+ years now), both diagnosed professionally but with limited treatment success.
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Posted - 2014.11.06 09:29:00 -
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MINA Longstrike wrote:PARKOUR PRACTIONER wrote:I take extreme offensive to attacks verbal or otherwise of autistics people whether there aware they have autism and what it means or not. Im getting help with it but as you can see its a
work in progress.
I looked that **** up im more of cynical myself. I have autism but also anti-social and have little faith in the human race. Is it spectrum autism? Like Asperger's? I'm sorry if you felt that I was attacking you. It's one thing to be frustrated about game mechanics or to express anger over someone's behaviour (in short, my issues with various CPM are with them alone) but another completely to attack a person over whatever disorders they might have - I myself suffer from an anger disorder and fall within the 10% lifetime persistence group and an ongoing struggle with chronic depression (13+ years now), both diagnosed professionally but with limited treatment success.
Holy ****. I was diagnose with that too. Its a long list.
Aspergers syndrome
depression
symptom of bipolar not official yet
insomnia
OCD
ODD
restless leg syndrome
fibromialgia
PTSD
SIB (self-injurious behavior, common with autism)
That problem is, i can compensate with intelligence, which makes it hard for anyone to beleive i have these problem i struggle
with every day. I've had depression for.... 5+ years now AT LEAST. Im 19.
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Posted - 2014.11.06 13:20:00 -
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MINA Longstrike wrote:
Yes I've spouted some vitriol about these changes, however being angry about something doesn't mean the arguments I've made do not have any merit, that's attacking a characteristic of the person making the argument not disproving the argument itself.
And If anything parkour, I'm prejudiced against people in general. Misanthropy is a thing.
It's not about disproving an argument, it's about your presentation of it. It's human nature to *decide* to switch off and ignore the points someone makes when they are presented at the same time as attacking people and coming across as unwilling to listen and reason.
If people see you being unreasonable (note: it's their perception that defines unreasonable here, not yours), then it's easy to decide that the thought process that led you to your belief in what you're saying is also unreasonable.
Even if the people being attacked in some way "deserve" it, not only is that quite subjective, but that's just lowering it to their level, and then the whole debate devolves into silliness. Stay on the bridge above the trolls ;-)
As for the changes, why not see how it pans out over the new few weeks as people grow used to it all? Personally I do not believe that somebody who wants to be revived won't know how to ask for help. Anyone who doesn't know about it probably also doesn't know how to be smart post-revival.
You must learn honor, or you deserve to learn nothing at all.
~ Rivvy Dinari - Swordmaster of Ginaz
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