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MINA Longstrike
Kirjuun Heiian
1524
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Posted - 2014.11.04 13:50:00 -
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Who honestly thought caving to people who got a 'bad needle' once or twice was a good idea? These needle changes are completely moronic.
Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian.
I have a few alts.
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Joel II X
Bacon with a bottle of Quafe
4274
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Posted - 2014.11.04 14:01:00 -
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If you're complaining about how you can only get people up if they ask to do so, then screw you.
If not, then I have no idea what you're talking about. |
Jack Boost
Zarena Family
484
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Posted - 2014.11.04 14:04:00 -
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Needlers... now is your time for trolling - running for first line of fight and .. miss your 'patient' ;).
Not much time left...
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Awesome Pantaloons
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
653
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Posted - 2014.11.04 14:05:00 -
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I get revived by dumbass needle-fishers OFTEN. Not once or twice, not even ten times. I can safely say that over my long Dust career, no fewer than one hundred deaths can be attributed to some stab-happy fuckwit. Screw your warpoints, I want to die! It's my body and only I decide what happens to it. 
Seid ihr das essen? Nein! Wir sind der jager!
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MINA Longstrike
Kirjuun Heiian
1524
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Posted - 2014.11.04 14:06:00 -
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Joel II X wrote:If you're complaining about how you can only get people up if they ask to do so, then screw you.
If not, then I have no idea what you're talking about.
That's exactly what I'm pissed about. Yes, bad needles happen, this change is once again the wrong way to go about it - 1) a 'death' shouldn't be counted until the clone is terminated, 2) warpoints for a revive should require the target to stay alive a minimum amount of time.
Arbitrarily preventing people from using a piece of equipment designed to sustain pressure and save suits and clones is idiotic.
Furthermore, people cant make a request to be picked up if they get off the screen too quickly or an area is too flooded with equipment. This is an idiotic change all because KDR people whined long and hard.
Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian.
I have a few alts.
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MINA Longstrike
Kirjuun Heiian
1524
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Posted - 2014.11.04 14:07:00 -
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Awesome Pantaloons wrote: It's my body and only I decide what happens to it.
No. It's the teams clone and if someone has a needle they should always have the chance to pick you up.
Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian.
I have a few alts.
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Jack McReady
Dust University
Ivy League
1574
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Posted - 2014.11.04 14:09:00 -
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Awesome Pantaloons wrote:I get revived by dumbass needle-fishers OFTEN. Not once or twice, not even ten times. I can safely say that over my long Dust career, no fewer than one hundred deaths can be attributed to some stab-happy fuckwit. Screw your warpoints, I want to die! It's my body and only I decide what happens to it.
the clone mass belongs to the corporation that hired you, not to you.
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postapo wastelander
Wasteland Desert Rangers
545
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Posted - 2014.11.04 14:11:00 -
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MINA Longstrike wrote:Who honestly thought caving to people who got a 'bad needle' once or twice was a good idea? These needle changes are completely moronic.
Honeslty i like new needle change, mercs will finaly have chance to be resucted safely without possibility of crossfire around.
"Nanohives, repairs or droplinks, just ask me on field i can tink anything"
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MINA Longstrike
Kirjuun Heiian
1526
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Posted - 2014.11.04 14:18:00 -
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postapo wastelander wrote:MINA Longstrike wrote:Who honestly thought caving to people who got a 'bad needle' once or twice was a good idea? These needle changes are completely moronic. Honeslty i like new needle change, mercs will finaly have chance to be resucted safely without possibility of crossfire around.
Why ever fit 50-100% needles if you are only allowed to use them 'out of combat' or on people who are expected to already know what you have fit? That's kind of the point of higher tier needles - the ability to use them in combat, even in high-crossfire situations. Even low tier needles give you a *chance* if an enemy has to say reload or a person body-blocks some shots for you.
I mean I already know you're not the sharpest tool in the shed, but why carry around a piece of equipment when one isn't even able to actually use it the majority of the time? I have never, ever gotten upset at a bad needle for two reasons 1) the clone isn't mine it's the teams and 2) as suit value goes up needles are inherently more valuable and the effort of attempting to save or be saved by someone is much more appreciable.
Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian.
I have a few alts.
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IVIaster LUKE
729
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Posted - 2014.11.04 14:39:00 -
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Give it time.
The "Herd" will adapt eventually.
Myself included 
Now!...Let my people go!...No negotiations!...I will be with the...Bush of fire!
R.I.P. Ben 1970-2014
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SagaB
Krusual Covert Operators
Minmatar Republic
17
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Posted - 2014.11.04 14:51:00 -
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Wouldn't this stop teamkill needlespam in fw? You can't get rezzed without pressing help right? |
MINA Longstrike
Kirjuun Heiian
1529
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Posted - 2014.11.04 14:53:00 -
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SagaB wrote:Wouldn't this stop teamkill needlespam in fw? You can't get rezzed without pressing help right?
That's not as big of a problem as it's made out to be honestly.
Also in real life EMT's don't need your permission to save your life if you're unable to speak, why should logi's?
Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian.
I have a few alts.
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postapo wastelander
Wasteland Desert Rangers
545
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Posted - 2014.11.04 14:55:00 -
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The issue was resus in the middle of crossfire and abusing milt. needles what basicaly instant kill you once more.
I remember how i was angry, when i was resucted 3 times by mlt needle and died 3 time aswell, just because idiot1c blue.
"Nanohives, repairs or droplinks, just ask me on field i can tink anything"
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MINA Longstrike
Kirjuun Heiian
1529
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Posted - 2014.11.04 14:58:00 -
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^**** happens, minor inconveniences are not a good reason to change positive, functioning mechanics into things that are overall negative and non-functioning. Not hitting the 'help' button is the exact same thing as denying a revive, and I run 50-80% needles on a lot of fits.
Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian.
I have a few alts.
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RayRay James
Vengeance Unbound
RISE of LEGION
681
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Posted - 2014.11.04 15:10:00 -
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Awesome Pantaloons wrote: I want to die! It's my body and only I decide what happens to it.
Not according to 46 of the 50 United States |
Kasote Denzara
A Vulture
2381
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Posted - 2014.11.04 15:10:00 -
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I dirty needled the **** out of everyone and repped them up with a good Repair Tool (in the past). Fond memories.
Prof. V Plasma Cannon and Gallente Commando V. There is no regret. Only explosions.
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RayRay James
Vengeance Unbound
RISE of LEGION
681
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Posted - 2014.11.04 15:18:00 -
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I haven't had the chance to play yet, being at work and all, but I was not inspired by the chenges when I read them in the patch notes.
Have i picked up people only to have them die? Absolutely? Did I do it intentionally? Sometimes.
If it's an important fight, Iweigh the pros and cons of coming to try and pick you up. Am I going to die on the way there? If not, can I successfully pick you up without either of us dying?
If I answer NO to either of those questions, I'm not coming to get you. The only time that changes is if I'm on voice comms with a team mate and he's telling me to come anyways.
Why bother, as a logi, to carry a needle anymore? Most people don't request help, even when they want it. My 80% and 100% needles show no differently than a 30% needle to someone dying, how do they know I'm not a scrub logi?
I'm sure, in time, people will adjust to needing to request pickup. I hope.
IMO, the proper fix would have been a instant bleed out button instead of a ask for revive. Death screen doesn't appear until you've bled out, or is adjusted so you can still see the game with the death info subtly around you, NOT taking up the entire screen. Lastly, a death isn't counted until you're actually dead, not just incapacitated on the ground.
Anyways, it is what it is for the time being. Hopefully it will level itself out. If not, I hope Rattati and team take another look and adjust as necessary.
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postapo wastelander
Wasteland Desert Rangers
545
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Posted - 2014.11.04 15:20:00 -
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MINA Longstrike wrote:^**** happens, minor inconveniences are not a good reason to change positive, functioning mechanics into things that are overall negative and non-functioning. Not hitting the 'help' button is the exact same thing as denying a revive. I run 50-80% needles on a lot of fits, not being able to revive people who are safe feels ****ing terrible.
It wasnt minor it was abused big time, btw what is wrong on new "call4help"mechanique, its basicaly same only prewenting fishing SP, nothing else.
Cooperative players will want take back to battle if they will see its save and its good mechanic even for you -> He dont call ergo there is someone!! 
"Nanohives, repairs or droplinks, just ask me on field i can tink anything"
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MINA Longstrike
Kirjuun Heiian
1534
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Posted - 2014.11.04 16:05:00 -
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SOME IDIOT wrote:It wasnt minor it was abused big time
It was minor, and it was explained what is wrong with the new mechanics above. You're kind of ****ing dumb aren't you?
Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian.
I have a few alts.
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Auris Lionesse
Kang Lo Directorate
Gallente Federation
1087
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Posted - 2014.11.04 16:09:00 -
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#no means no
#prochoice
#yes all mercs
Don't vote for iron wolf saber.
Vote for someone who will help the community i.e. anyone else.
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Sergeant Sazu
Algintal Core
Gallente Federation
162
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Posted - 2014.11.04 16:38:00 -
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I love this thread.
"I'm right, everything is about me. If it wasn't a problem for me, it wasn't a problem for anyone. Anyone who disagrees is stupid. Also, real life comparisons are valid."
Nice logic, MINA. Protip: flaming people and demonstrating self-centered thinking reduces credibility. Even if you're right, I'm not inclined to see your point with that attitude of yours. It's just how debates work.
"Go, Militia Swarms!"
1272 damage! It's super effective!
[32.7m SP - Next skill: Precision Enhancement 3]
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DarthPlagueis TheWise
272
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Posted - 2014.11.04 16:42:00 -
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MINA Longstrike wrote:Furthermore, people cant make a request to be picked up if they get off the screen too quickly or an area is too flooded with equipment. This is an idiotic change all because KDR people whined long and hard.
Wait, so equipment spam is lagging out the call for help thing?
Mina is making a lot of good points, guys. This was a lazy fix for CCP because it must have been too much of a challenge for them to simply write some new code that doesn't hurt your KDR if you get troll needled.
Bolas deploys tank in strategic location
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MINA Longstrike
Kirjuun Heiian
1538
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Posted - 2014.11.04 17:16:00 -
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Sergeant Sazu wrote:I love this thread.
"I'm right, everything is about me. If it wasn't a problem for me, it wasn't a problem for anyone. Anyone who disagrees is stupid. Also, real life comparisons are valid."
Nice logic, MINA. Protip: flaming people and demonstrating self-centered thinking reduces credibility. Even if you're right, I'm not inclined to see your point with that attitude of yours. It's just how debates work.
"I'm going to disregard all the points you've made, call you self centered and then claim you're wrong even if you're right because I don't like that you feel this treats the symptom not the problem".
You sure are good at debating yourself.
Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian.
I have a few alts.
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Kaze Eyrou
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
888
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Posted - 2014.11.04 17:19:00 -
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MINA Longstrike wrote:SagaB wrote:Wouldn't this stop teamkill needlespam in fw? You can't get rezzed without pressing help right? That's not as big of a problem as it's made out to be honestly. Also in real life EMT's don't need your permission to save your life if you're unable to speak, why should logi's?
EMT's in real life are also not knocking you unconscious with a hailstorm of bullets after reviving you either.
Try again.
Closed Beta Vet // Logi Bro // @KazeEyrou
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bane sieg
Damaged Beyond Repair
5
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Posted - 2014.11.04 17:21:00 -
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The fix to this is limiting the number of your teams clones you can waste. If a guy goes 0 / 10 he shouldnt be allowed to keep spawning in, especially if he refuses to be picked up. One stupid blueberry doing that can cost the entire match |
MINA Longstrike
Kirjuun Heiian
1538
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Posted - 2014.11.04 17:31:00 -
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Kaze Eyrou wrote:MINA Longstrike wrote:SagaB wrote:Wouldn't this stop teamkill needlespam in fw? You can't get rezzed without pressing help right? That's not as big of a problem as it's made out to be honestly. Also in real life EMT's don't need your permission to save your life if you're unable to speak, why should logi's? EMT's in real life are also not knocking you unconscious with a hailstorm of bullets after reviving you either. Try again.
Logi's don't do that in dust either. Unless you're talking about facwar which means you're referring to a niche problem and it means that the symptom is being treated not the problem.
Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian.
I have a few alts.
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Kalante Schiffer
YOU GOT OWNED BY A CHRONIC FAPPER
815
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Posted - 2014.11.04 17:38:00 -
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MINA Longstrike wrote:SagaB wrote:Wouldn't this stop teamkill needlespam in fw? You can't get rezzed without pressing help right? That's not as big of a problem as it's made out to be honestly. Also in real life EMT's don't need your permission to save your life if you're unable to speak, why should logi's? seriously we are comparing real life situations to a game now?
70m sp vet. Ancient æ Gÿ¦xiles . What can not be understand.
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Meee One
Amakakeru-Ryu-no-Hirameki
1244
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Posted - 2014.11.04 17:45:00 -
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RayRay James wrote:Awesome Pantaloons wrote: I want to die! It's my body and only I decide what happens to it. Not according to 46 of the 50 United States
Murdering a baby and discarding a clone because it's convenient are two different things.
Official Blueberry of the Forums.
Title given by my #1 fan Sgt Kirk.
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Kaze Eyrou
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
890
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Posted - 2014.11.04 17:49:00 -
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MINA Longstrike wrote:Kaze Eyrou wrote:MINA Longstrike wrote:SagaB wrote:Wouldn't this stop teamkill needlespam in fw? You can't get rezzed without pressing help right? That's not as big of a problem as it's made out to be honestly. Also in real life EMT's don't need your permission to save your life if you're unable to speak, why should logi's? EMT's in real life are also not knocking you unconscious with a hailstorm of bullets after reviving you either. Try again. Logi's don't do that in dust either. Unless you're talking about facwar which means you're referring to a niche problem and it means that the symptom is being treated not the problem.
And now, neither the symptom nor the problem show up.
At which point I will argue per your original post:
"That's not as big of a problem as it's made out to be honestly."
And further elaborate by saying, this buffs needles. No longer am I rushing to revive an ally, only to be inches away from reviving him and finding out that they never wanted to be revived in the first place, and they are respawning elsewhere.
Closed Beta Vet // Logi Bro // @KazeEyrou
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Kaze Eyrou
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
890
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Posted - 2014.11.04 17:50:00 -
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Kalante Schiffer wrote:MINA Longstrike wrote:SagaB wrote:Wouldn't this stop teamkill needlespam in fw? You can't get rezzed without pressing help right? That's not as big of a problem as it's made out to be honestly. Also in real life EMT's don't need your permission to save your life if you're unable to speak, why should logi's? seriously we are comparing real life situations to a game now?
LOL.
If so:
"Brittany Maynard"
*drops mic*
Closed Beta Vet // Logi Bro // @KazeEyrou
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