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Riruodo
Templar Investigative Commission
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Posted - 2014.11.04 22:28:00 -
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TEBOW BAGGINS wrote:most of the time i don't even like my team they deserve no WP and certainly dont deserve a win...
That's the spirit.
Utena Tenjou is my prince in shining armor.
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Zatara Rought
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
4310
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Posted - 2014.11.04 22:33:00 -
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MINA Longstrike wrote:Joel II X wrote:If you're complaining about how you can only get people up if they ask to do so, then screw you.
If not, then I have no idea what you're talking about. That's exactly what I'm pissed about. Yes, bad needles happen, this change is once again the wrong way to go about it - 1) a 'death' shouldn't be counted until the clone is terminated, 2) warpoints for a revive should require the target to stay alive a minimum amount of time. Arbitrarily preventing people from using a piece of equipment designed to sustain pressure and save suits and clones is idiotic. Furthermore, people cant make a request to be picked up if they get off the screen too quickly or an area is too flooded with equipment. This is an idiotic change all because KDR people whined long and hard.
Even if that was the case...you'd still be giving the other team a lot more wp's if you have dumbass people picking up mercs in **** poor conditions.
B3RT > PFBHz > TEAM > MHPD > IMPS > FA
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Reign Omega
T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K
984
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Posted - 2014.11.04 22:37:00 -
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Even as a dedicated logi I think this is a good idea, although I haven't had a chance to play 1.9 yet as the download is acting fishy for me. I like the idea for several reasons, be prepared to read this list.
1. Needle spammers.
2. Clueless though genuinely trying to help logi players
3. Someone wanted to change suits after death to a suit that will actually help the situation but NOPE, got rez.
4. Someone isnt aware enough of game mechanics to know there is a "call for help" button so they probably cant read, or cant shoot, and therefore deserve to die.
5. Im holding off on calling for help because I can see the area around my body, or my body is providing passive scans to my squad so it just isnt the right time to rush in and pick me up.
6. Five is a decent amount of reasons for now.
Ideally the option to either call for help, or get needled and choose to revive on your own allows most smart players to better control the flow of their own battles a bit better, rather than just randomly being thrust back into whatever situation falls on their heads and being forced to freestyle to safety. It is just a generally smarter choice at this stage in the game.
Mark a$$ tricks, and bags of dicks....
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postapo wastelander
Wasteland Desert Rangers
554
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Posted - 2014.11.04 22:38:00 -
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How many times i was took up by real medic with quality needle maybe six times.
How many times i was furious from some SP fisher who took me up in middle of crossfire withou HPs, cant count how many times and sometimes even three times in row to be killed once more.
From my humble observation "call4help" implementation was AWESOME
"Nanohives, repairs or droplinks, just ask me on field i can tink anything"
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Baal Omniscient
Onslaught Inc
RISE of LEGION
2084
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Posted - 2014.11.04 22:48:00 -
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MINA Longstrike wrote:Joel II X wrote:If you're complaining about how you can only get people up if they ask to do so, then screw you.
If not, then I have no idea what you're talking about. That's exactly what I'm pissed about. Yes, bad needles happen, this change is once again the wrong way to go about it - 1) a 'death' shouldn't be counted until the clone is terminated, 2) warpoints for a revive should require the target to stay alive a minimum amount of time. Arbitrarily preventing people from using a piece of equipment designed to sustain pressure and save suits and clones is idiotic. Furthermore, people cant make a request to be picked up if they get off the screen too quickly or an area is too flooded with equipment. This is an idiotic change all because KDR people whined long and hard.
If we were to do this your way, then you would have to add the anti-boosting bits too. So it would be:
1) A 'death' shouldn't be counted until the clone is terminated.
2) A "kill" shouldn't be counted unless the clone is terminated.
3) War Points for a revive should require the target to stay alive a minimum amount of time.
4) War Points for a kill shouldn't be counted until the clone is terminated.
And even then, you should still be able to opt out (as opposed to the "opting in" for the revive approach currently deployed). Getting revived should still be the ultimate decision of the player dealing with a situation, and at a minimum an easy access suicide button should always be at the ready to help block trolls.
Winmatar Assault, Proficiency 5 SMG's & Proficiency 5 Swarms Since Uprising 1.0
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Sergeant Sazu
Algintal Core
Gallente Federation
167
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Posted - 2014.11.05 00:39:00 -
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MINA Longstrike wrote:Sergeant Sazu wrote:I love this thread.
"I'm right, everything is about me. If it wasn't a problem for me, it wasn't a problem for anyone. Anyone who disagrees is stupid. Also, real life comparisons are valid."
Nice logic, MINA. Protip: flaming people and demonstrating self-centered thinking reduces credibility. Even if you're right, I'm not inclined to see your point with that attitude of yours. It's just how debates work. "I'm going to disregard all the points you've made, call you self centered and then claim you're wrong even if you're right because I don't like that you feel this treats the symptom not the problem". You sure are good at debating yourself.
Sorry I'm late. :)
-I didn't disregard your points, I'm nitpicking about your aggressive presentation of such points. Which makes it difficult to see the points you're making. Again, that's how debates work.
-I'm calling you self-centered because you drew conclusions purely on your own accounts of the situation. This is an unreliable way to form valid complaints.
-I never claimed you were wrong. If it looks that way, it's just bad wording. I do it a lot. No one can make the claim that you're right or wrong, since this is day 1 of 1.9. Always wait for things to smooth over before drawing conclusions.
-I never inputted anything about the problem itself or it's symptoms.
I may not be good at debating, but you're not much better off.
"Go, Militia Swarms!"
1272 damage! It's super effective!
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FraggerMike
G.R.A.V.E
INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS
263
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Posted - 2014.11.05 02:13:00 -
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P14GU3 wrote:FraggerMike wrote:Oh, I forgot. NO, it's not my k/dr that is the issue. It is 100k+ suits that get insta-gibbed, repeatedly, that gets to me.  You dont lose a suit when being revived, so k/d r is the only thing that takes a hit. If its the 100k you are worried about, you wouldnt mind being revived 100 times if it saves the suit.. Edit: also I use a proto needle so a 100k suit sure wont be instagibbed.
This is true... but it still gets to me. Usually I still die, as the stabber also usually dies trying to revive me, repeatedly.
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Reign Omega
T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K
986
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Posted - 2014.11.05 03:48:00 -
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Baal Omniscient wrote:MINA Longstrike wrote:Joel II X wrote:If you're complaining about how you can only get people up if they ask to do so, then screw you.
If not, then I have no idea what you're talking about. That's exactly what I'm pissed about. Yes, bad needles happen, this change is once again the wrong way to go about it - 1) a 'death' shouldn't be counted until the clone is terminated, 2) warpoints for a revive should require the target to stay alive a minimum amount of time. Arbitrarily preventing people from using a piece of equipment designed to sustain pressure and save suits and clones is idiotic. Furthermore, people cant make a request to be picked up if they get off the screen too quickly or an area is too flooded with equipment. This is an idiotic change all because KDR people whined long and hard. If we were to do this your way, then you would have to add the anti-boosting bits too. So it would be: 1) A 'death' shouldn't be counted until the clone is terminated. 2) A "kill" shouldn't be counted unless the clone is terminated. 3) War Points for a revive should require the target to stay alive a minimum amount of time. 4) War Points for a kill shouldn't be counted until the clone is terminated. And even then, you should still be able to opt out (as opposed to the "opting in" for the revive approach currently deployed). Getting revived should still be the ultimate decision of the player dealing with a situation, and at a minimum an easy access suicide button should always be at the ready to help block trolls.
Im all for the "accept revive" over the "request revive" option.
Mark a$$ tricks, and bags of dicks....
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Imp Smash
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
308
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Posted - 2014.11.05 04:22:00 -
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Awesome Pantaloons wrote:I get revived by dumbass needle-fishers OFTEN. Not once or twice, not even ten times. I can safely say that over my long Dust career, no fewer than one hundred deaths can be attributed to some stab-happy fuckwit. Screw your warpoints, I want to die! It's my body and only I decide what happens to it. 
Feminism in a nutshell... |
Michael Arck
5981
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Posted - 2014.11.05 04:27:00 -
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It wasn't "once or twice" Mina...
Many mercs, such as myself have been requesting this for a very long time.
Why?
Because silly blueberries would revive in the line of fire
Last match I played before 1.9, I sat behind a moe hill and just farmed this guy. Blueberry kept on reviving the heavy.
tat,tat,tat,tat,tat, tat!
He came back on to revive heavy
tat,tat,tat,tat,tat, tat!
He was going to do it again, but I shot the guy just to save the poor chap being revived over and over, the fustration.
So um, yea...wait for the call for help logi. That's it. Bad farming logis has impacted this game long enough.
I welcome the changes
Archistrategos / The 7th Prime / Selah
*Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain
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TIGER SHARK1501
Savage Bullet
51
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Posted - 2014.11.06 03:51:00 -
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MINA Longstrike wrote:postapo wastelander wrote:MINA Longstrike wrote:Who honestly thought caving to people who got a 'bad needle' once or twice was a good idea? These needle changes are completely moronic. Honeslty i like new needle change, mercs will finaly have chance to be resucted safely without possibility of crossfire around. Why ever fit 50-100% needles if you are only allowed to use them 'out of combat' or on people who are expected to already know what you have fit? A 'dead' sentinel picked up with 80% shields and armor can handily stop a whole advance and that's kind of the point of higher tier needles - the ability to use them in combat, even in high-crossfire situations. Even low tier needles give you a *chance* if an enemy has to say reload or a person body-blocks some shots for you. I mean I already know you're not the sharpest tool in the shed, but why carry around a piece of equipment when one isn't even able to actually use it the majority of the time? I have never, ever gotten upset at a bad needle for two reasons 1) the clone isn't mine it's the teams and 2) as suit value goes up needles are inherently more valuable and the effort of attempting to save or be saved by someone is much more appreciable.
Hhmmmm whiny and condescending. I think few will agree with your plight. |
TIGER SHARK1501
Savage Bullet
51
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Posted - 2014.11.06 03:53:00 -
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There is also consideration of trolls, team killers and the ever popular stat padders. This will help people in Factional Warfare. |
True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
14229
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Posted - 2014.11.06 03:54:00 -
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TIGER SHARK1501 wrote:There is also consideration of trolls, team killers and the ever popular stat padders. This will help people in Factional Warfare.
It was never and issue is Faction Warfare.
I'm sure other dedicated players had their own ways of dealing with them just like we did.
GÇ£How does this all work then?GÇ¥
GÇ£Like so Choirboy.GÇ¥
- Mila to Kador, Sub Zero Club, Shoashu Sasaanko
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TIGER SHARK1501
Savage Bullet
51
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Posted - 2014.11.06 03:57:00 -
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MINA Longstrike wrote:^**** happens, minor inconveniences are not a good reason to change positive, functioning mechanics into things that are overall negative and non-functioning. Not hitting the 'help' button is the exact same thing as denying a revive. I run 50-80% needles on a lot of fits, not being able to revive people who are safe feels ****ing terrible.
Not everyone is like you and when people use poor judgment attempting to help team mates again and again is takes away from the enjoyment of the game. Also in consideration you complain because people are denying YOU points because they do not wish for your assistance. |
Kuruld Sengar
Bloodline Rebellion
Capital Punishment.
25
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Posted - 2014.11.06 04:02:00 -
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Only read the title, one thing to say.
I get picked up far more often now that needle requests are a commodity instead of a privilege granted by the logi. |
castba
Holdfast Syndicate
Amarr Empire
635
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Posted - 2014.11.06 04:14:00 -
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Would be nice if there were options to select which would limit the needle tier that could be used on you.
Selection 1: any tier needle
Selection 2: adv or proto only
Selection 3: proto only
"When everything is OP, nothing is" - CCP Ratatti
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TIGER SHARK1501
Savage Bullet
51
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Posted - 2014.11.06 04:26:00 -
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Zatara Rought wrote:MINA Longstrike wrote:Joel II X wrote:If you're complaining about how you can only get people up if they ask to do so, then screw you.
If not, then I have no idea what you're talking about. That's exactly what I'm pissed about. Yes, bad needles happen, this change is once again the wrong way to go about it - 1) a 'death' shouldn't be counted until the clone is terminated, 2) warpoints for a revive should require the target to stay alive a minimum amount of time. Arbitrarily preventing people from using a piece of equipment designed to sustain pressure and save suits and clones is idiotic. Furthermore, people cant make a request to be picked up if they get off the screen too quickly or an area is too flooded with equipment. This is an idiotic change all because KDR people whined long and hard. Even if that was the case...you'd still be giving the other team a lot more wp's if you have dumbass people picking up mercs in **** poor conditions.
Well said! |
MINA Longstrike
Kirjuun Heiian
1560
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Posted - 2014.11.06 07:06:00 -
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Baal Omniscient wrote:MINA Longstrike wrote:Joel II X wrote:If you're complaining about how you can only get people up if they ask to do so, then screw you.
If not, then I have no idea what you're talking about. That's exactly what I'm pissed about. Yes, bad needles happen, this change is once again the wrong way to go about it - 1) a 'death' shouldn't be counted until the clone is terminated, 2) warpoints for a revive should require the target to stay alive a minimum amount of time. Arbitrarily preventing people from using a piece of equipment designed to sustain pressure and save suits and clones is idiotic. Furthermore, people cant make a request to be picked up if they get off the screen too quickly or an area is too flooded with equipment. This is an idiotic change all because KDR people whined long and hard. If we were to do this your way, then you would have to add the anti-boosting bits too. So it would be: 1) A 'death' shouldn't be counted until the clone is terminated. 2) A "kill" shouldn't be counted unless the clone is terminated. 3) War Points for a revive should require the target to stay alive a minimum amount of time. 4) War Points for a kill shouldn't be counted until the clone is terminated. And even then, you should still be able to opt out (as opposed to the "opting in" for the revive approach currently deployed). Getting revived should still be the ultimate decision of the player dealing with a situation, and at a minimum an easy access suicide button should always be at the ready to help block trolls.
You're right, I missed a few 'anti-boosting' points. This is exactly how the system should be. The only nitpick I have is that you should still get points for attempting to revive someone who ends up not accepting it anyways, because hey, you did actually stick them with the needle.
Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian.
I have a few alts.
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Coleman Gray
Opus Arcana
Covert Intervention
1290
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Posted - 2014.11.06 07:29:00 -
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It was abused...CCP did something about, stop whining because that 60 points at the cost of feeding the enemy team free kills is now harder for.you to get.
Original Commando, before all you posers just saying
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PARKOUR PRACTIONER
G0DS AM0NG MEN
General Tso's Alliance
2197
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Posted - 2014.11.06 07:42:00 -
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Im a little late but i can vouche for postapos competence, and i agree with him. If you dont want to hear anything but your right MINA
your opinion is correct even when its wrong its still right then i recommend you surround yourself with patsys that will wipe your ***hole
for you. And as postapos friend, i impolitely tell you to **** yourself. Prejudice against autistics much?
PSN Sil4ntChaozz
Define Min Scout-Ninja/Define Gal Scout-Predator
Scout Devotee Mk.0/Gk.0
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MINA Longstrike
Kirjuun Heiian
1561
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Posted - 2014.11.06 08:18:00 -
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^Not even sure where about 3/4 of that is coming from.
What I'm saying is that they took a system that for the most part worked - it wasn't perfect, it needed some improvements, but it worked - and it was thrown out the window to largely cater to people who whined about KDR. Now speaking as someone with some programming experience you do not ever throw away something that works, unless it is so screwed up it needs a complete rethink/redesign from the ground up and even then you try to preserve as much of the original as possible, ie. you don't ever, ever break functionality if you cannot help it.
Yes I've spouted some vitriol about these changes, however being angry about something doesn't mean the arguments I've made do not have any merit, that's attacking a characteristic of the person making the argument not disproving the argument itself.
And If anything parkour, I'm prejudiced against people in general. Misanthropy is a thing.
Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian.
I have a few alts.
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
14238
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Posted - 2014.11.06 08:19:00 -
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Threat is now with substance.
Witnesses Aero score 5200 WP on his own in a domination.
Logi's without WP is officially over.
((I logi'd as well and scored an abysmal 1825 WP))
GÇ£How does this all work then?GÇ¥
GÇ£Like so Choirboy.GÇ¥
- Mila to Kador, Sub Zero Club, Shoashu Sasaanko
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Justin Tymes
Dem Durrty Boyz
General Tso's Alliance
765
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Posted - 2014.11.06 08:22:00 -
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I haven't played in a while, but people still use needles? I thought it was all about Uplink spam, and they clash so... |
PARKOUR PRACTIONER
G0DS AM0NG MEN
General Tso's Alliance
2198
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Posted - 2014.11.06 08:57:00 -
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I can agree with that Mina. For the most part it wasn't broken but at times the part that was brokencompletely outweigh
the usefulness
of it. I think more people then they admitcare about KDR, but i dont think thats the problem.
I think the problem is the incompetence of the majority and greed. Id rather have accept revive decline revive like in BF.
I think this current way is better, but like the old one could use tweaking. I take extreme offensive to attacks verbal or otherwise
of autistics people whether there aware they have autism and what it means or not. Im getting help with it but as you can see its a
work in progress.
PSN Sil4ntChaozz
Define Min Scout-Ninja/Define Gal Scout-Predator
Scout Devotee Mk.0/Gk.0
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MINA Longstrike
Kirjuun Heiian
1561
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Posted - 2014.11.06 09:16:00 -
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PARKOUR PRACTIONER wrote:I take extreme offensive to attacks verbal or otherwise of autistics people whether there aware they have autism and what it means or not. Im getting help with it but as you can see its a
work in progress.
I looked that **** up im more of cynical myself. I have autism but also anti-social and have little faith in the human race.
Is it spectrum autism? Like Asperger's? I'm sorry if you felt that I was attacking you. It's one thing to be frustrated about game mechanics or to express anger over someone's behaviour (in short, my issues with various CPM are with them alone) but another completely to attack a person over whatever disorders they might have - I myself suffer from an anger disorder and fall within the 10% lifetime persistence group and an ongoing struggle with chronic depression (13+ years now), both diagnosed professionally but with limited treatment success.
Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian.
I have a few alts.
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PARKOUR PRACTIONER
G0DS AM0NG MEN
General Tso's Alliance
2199
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Posted - 2014.11.06 09:29:00 -
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MINA Longstrike wrote:PARKOUR PRACTIONER wrote:I take extreme offensive to attacks verbal or otherwise of autistics people whether there aware they have autism and what it means or not. Im getting help with it but as you can see its a
work in progress.
I looked that **** up im more of cynical myself. I have autism but also anti-social and have little faith in the human race. Is it spectrum autism? Like Asperger's? I'm sorry if you felt that I was attacking you. It's one thing to be frustrated about game mechanics or to express anger over someone's behaviour (in short, my issues with various CPM are with them alone) but another completely to attack a person over whatever disorders they might have - I myself suffer from an anger disorder and fall within the 10% lifetime persistence group and an ongoing struggle with chronic depression (13+ years now), both diagnosed professionally but with limited treatment success.
Holy ****. I was diagnose with that too. Its a long list.
Aspergers syndrome
depression
symptom of bipolar not official yet
insomnia
OCD
ODD
restless leg syndrome
fibromialgia
PTSD
SIB (self-injurious behavior, common with autism)
That problem is, i can compensate with intelligence, which makes it hard for anyone to beleive i have these problem i struggle
with every day. I've had depression for.... 5+ years now AT LEAST. Im 19.
PSN Sil4ntChaozz
Define Min Scout-Ninja/Define Gal Scout-Predator
Scout Devotee Mk.0/Gk.0
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IAmDuncanIdaho II
R 0 N 1 N
973
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Posted - 2014.11.06 13:20:00 -
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MINA Longstrike wrote:
Yes I've spouted some vitriol about these changes, however being angry about something doesn't mean the arguments I've made do not have any merit, that's attacking a characteristic of the person making the argument not disproving the argument itself.
And If anything parkour, I'm prejudiced against people in general. Misanthropy is a thing.
It's not about disproving an argument, it's about your presentation of it. It's human nature to *decide* to switch off and ignore the points someone makes when they are presented at the same time as attacking people and coming across as unwilling to listen and reason.
If people see you being unreasonable (note: it's their perception that defines unreasonable here, not yours), then it's easy to decide that the thought process that led you to your belief in what you're saying is also unreasonable.
Even if the people being attacked in some way "deserve" it, not only is that quite subjective, but that's just lowering it to their level, and then the whole debate devolves into silliness. Stay on the bridge above the trolls ;-)
As for the changes, why not see how it pans out over the new few weeks as people grow used to it all? Personally I do not believe that somebody who wants to be revived won't know how to ask for help. Anyone who doesn't know about it probably also doesn't know how to be smart post-revival.
You must learn honor, or you deserve to learn nothing at all.
~ Rivvy Dinari - Swordmaster of Ginaz
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