What is the point of redline rail turrets with 12000 HP with blaster turrets covering them....

On the line harvest/tower map they are constantly manned by noobs who make life hell for dropships.... From the comfort of their own redline..: they run forge gun heavies so I can't even fly over and shoot them off!

Remove them or move the turrets!

^^ Not a good analogy; Fighters deploy heat and electronic countermeasures to confuse missile systems, and do not rely on turning speed alone. Back to Dust though

In order to out turn a missile you have to pull off manuevers tighter than 70 degrees. "Skill" here is a moot point, getting a dropship to change momentum (very different from fliping the nose around) at turns tighter than that causes one to lose speed (pretty mcuh stop dead in its tracks, thats what i use when i want to stop not out turn a missile) and boom missile hits. Tight turns are at low speeds, yet this only applies to the dropship and not the missile chasing it. Missiles make 70-¦ turns at maximums speed, whereas i can barley manage to keep top speed up at turns under 45-¦

Currently, missiles move much faster than a dropship (especially vs the incubus with the 12% speed penalty for 120Mmm complex plates, and turns tighter than one. The countermeasure for pilots vs swarms is to get out of lock on range before the swarmer gets off volley either 3 or 4, missiles in the air will consisntently nail you;

TL;DR No matter how hard you turn, you will never lose a lock, no matter where you choose to fly, the missile will get there before you do.

Matlab, my all time favorite software

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I am more than willing to try further reductions of swarm radius. I would even want ADS pilots to be able to outrun/last them without AB. Those who want an easier way out and lose a slot can use the AB, but the ones that fancy their chances might throw something else in that slot and try their luck at outmaneuvering them with higher skill.

If you make us ads pilots outlast the swarms without turning the ab on you are going to have a full blown riot from the Swarm users. Keeping that ab necesary is a must to appease the masses. Lets keep the ab necessary and keep tweeking the turning radius maybe tweek the acceleration/deceleration while turning, fuell loss, momentum loss. Stuff like that. Anything that is done, for the sake pf balance the ab should remain necessary.

Matlab, my all time favorite software

I am more than willing to try further reductions of swarm radius. I would even want ADS pilots to be able to outrun/last them without AB. Those who want an easier way out and lose a slot can use the AB, but the ones that fancy their chances might throw something else in that slot and try their luck at outmaneuvering them with higher skill.

Matlab, my all time favorite software

I am more than willing to try further reductions of swarm radius. I would even want ADS pilots to be able to outrun/last them without AB. Those who want an easier way out and lose a slot can use the AB, but the ones that fancy their chances might throw something else in that slot and try their luck at outmaneuvering them with higher skill.

How about a middle ground? Each missile fired in a single volley travels at a slower velocity
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Very good to hear.

Swarms have two balancing factors, "travel distance" and "max radius from origin", so there are two ways to escape, get out of the max radius, or evade it long enough.

By decreasing turn radius, the theory is that if the ads manages to swerve/slalom around, the missile needs to travel a longer distance to keep up and will eventually run out of fuel (exceed max travel distance).

Excellent. Thanks for the feedback.

Have you experienced a change in Swarm efficiency, now that we nerfed their turn radius by another 10%?

If you make us ads pilots outlast the swarms without turning the ab on you are going to have a full blown riot from the Swarm users. Keeping that ab necesary is a must to apease the masses. Lets keep the ab necesary and keep tweeking the turning radius maybe tweek the acceleration/deceleration while turning, fuell loss, momentum loss. Stuff like that. Anything that is done, for the sake pf balance the ab should remain necesarry.

So whatever happened to the whole idea of having small turrets for AI and large turrets for AV?

People complained that the large blaster was too good at AI (personally I thought it was fine, except that it was too good at AV) so they had it nerfed. People told us to fit small turrets on our HAVs if we wanted AI. We did. And people still complained and got the small rails nerfed.

Now you want to make small rails AV focused? Either keep small turrets AI focused or make each turret type have a certain focus (i.e. large and small blasters for AI). Choose one and stick with it, and don't get butt hurt when people adapt to changes (not talking to you Vulpes, just people in general).

I would really love it if the afterburner was not absolutely necessary, though risky to not use it. (I actually already do not run an afterburner with great success).

I JUST played a match where I was out about 350 meters away from the swarmer, and was into armor in a myron. I ducked behind a building in my red line, but the swarms had flown so wide they were not coming from the swarmer's original location, and hit me from the side for the kill.

This leads me to an interesting thought, we were discussing a lock warning earlier this month. Well in many other games the missile warning also tells you where the missiles are coming from. Since we can't turn our heads in game to look behind us (perhaps a look behind button is a feature idea???), the missile warning could also have a directional indicator so we know what angle to take cover at. Alternatively, if we could look behind us, we could also see what angle the swarms are coming in from.

Personally, I'm fine with Swarms being powerful; being faster than me; being easy to use and cheap to boot.

What I want is to be able to fight. Currently, a strafing run is a high speed way to fire one or two missiles pathetically inaccurately. Even with the target scanned, when you're screaming in at 200km/h and have to hit within 2.5m while still at 60-100m it's not easy: and when you only get one/two shots in that window, you're basically doing nothing.

If my missile turret was 40 missiles, firing like the Large Missile turret and with the corresponding reduction in damage, then I'd be able to saturate an area as I fly past.

Hell, make me even more fragile, I don't care as long as I can actually do what I'm supposed to be doing. With that kind of turret I can actually perform a strafing run whilst simultaneously deploying shock troops into the blitzed and bombed area. Then turn around, provide more firepower and pick them up afterwards.