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DUST Fiend Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 14746	Posted - 2014.10.29 03:18:00 - [1] - Quote We win GG no RE Ten Year Plan (pâÄa¦át¢èa¦á)pâÄs+íGö+GöüGö+
LT SHANKS Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 3698	Posted - 2014.10.29 03:46:00 - [2] - Quote We won! And wow, I haven't seen you post in a while. Have you been hiding?
Joel II X Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 4115	Posted - 2014.10.29 03:48:00 - [3] - Quote RE?
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2183	Posted - 2014.10.29 03:48:00 - [4] - Quote Gr8 b8 m8 i r8 it 8/8
Mobius Wyvern Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 5355	Posted - 2014.10.29 03:50:00 - [5] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: We win GG no RE You left this game for Destiny. How did you win anything? tries to pretend he doesn't fervently hope this is a sign his old ADS buddy will be back for more awesome adventures Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact Gentlemen's.Club 5675	Posted - 2014.10.29 03:59:00 - [6] - Quote It's after fanfest the long plan for dust no longer exists thats why the anti-respec people no longer care. i was against respecs because i was hopping dust would keep going down the originally planned concepts of open market, PVE, industry, EVE connection etc. Now the choices no longer matter as much so no reason to really care about the longevity and it's relation to respecs. I like the work they are putting into dust but it's not what i was hopping dust would be when they introduced it. Same reason i do not care that BPO's are released again because the long plan is no longer in existence. EVE 21 Day Trial Selling Templar BPO's
DUST Fiend Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 14749	Posted - 2014.10.29 04:05:00 - [7] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: We win GG no RE You left this game for Destiny. How did you win anything? tries to pretend he doesn't fervently hope this is a sign his old ADS buddy will be back for more awesome adventures To be fair, I didn't leave "for" Destiny, I left because this game is a nightmare, Destiny just released around the same time. I have no ps3 or desire to use neutered ADS lol. I just saw the respec thing and laughed my ass off. Ten Year Plan (pâÄa¦át¢èa¦á)pâÄs+íGö+GöüGö+
KEROSIINI-TERO The Rainbow Effect 1437	Posted - 2014.10.29 04:53:00 - [8] - Quote No, this mean everybody loses. Well, every dust player at least. People would enjoy Dust a lot more if they accepted the fact that EVERYTHING is subject to change
Cat Merc Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 12841	Posted - 2014.10.29 05:12:00 - [9] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: It's after fanfest the long plan for dust no longer exists thats why the anti-respec people no longer care. i was against respecs because i was hopping dust would keep going down the originally planned concepts of open market, PVE, industry, EVE connection etc. Now the choices no longer matter as much so no reason to really care about the longevity and it's relation to respecs. I like the work they are putting into dust but it's not what i was hopping dust would be when they introduced it. Same reason i do not care that BPO's are released again because the long plan is no longer in existence. Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC n+ÅS¦¦Gùò GÇ+GÇ+ GùòS¦¦n++
Immortal John Ripper 25287	Posted - 2014.10.29 05:21:00 - [10] - Quote To every pro-respec guy out there. You are welcome. I have been diagnosed with "TED" - Taco Eating Disorder. I can't stop eating tacos. Best Disorder Ever

DUST Fiend Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 14749	Posted - 2014.10.29 06:45:00 - [11] - Quote Joel II X wrote: RE? No rematch. Ten Year Plan (pâÄa¦át¢èa¦á)pâÄs+íGö+GöüGö+
Mobius Kaethis Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1986	Posted - 2014.10.29 06:48:00 - [12] - Quote KEROSIINI-TERO wrote: No, this mean everybody loses. Well, every dust player at least. I can't help but agree. All that is happening is the switch from dust as a free to play game to a pay to win game. Now with more evil.
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 4421	Posted - 2014.10.29 06:52:00 - [13] - Quote Mobius Kaethis wrote: KEROSIINI-TERO wrote: No, this mean everybody loses. Well, every dust player at least. I can't help but agree. All that is happening is the switch from dust as a free to play game to a pay to win game. Allowing players to redefine the skill points they have is hardly different than allowing players to earn additional skill points (via boosters) for AUR. And unlike the latter, this has a cost penalty to use it: You lose ISK every time you do it, since you don't get a full refund on skill books. I am generally against respecs (particularly free ones with no penalty), but this isn't pay to win. CCP has done a good job avoiding that, and the CPM will help ensure they stay on point with that. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
TechMechMeds KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 6167	Posted - 2014.10.29 06:54:00 - [14] - Quote Signed +1.........oh we got it. Win!. I am GJR's Renfield lol My favourite BAND '14 days till Maine' Their album - 28 days till maine.
Mobius Kaethis Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1987	Posted - 2014.10.29 06:55:00 - [15] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Mobius Kaethis wrote: KEROSIINI-TERO wrote: No, this mean everybody loses. Well, every dust player at least. I can't help but agree. All that is happening is the switch from dust as a free to play game to a pay to win game. Allowing players to redefine the skill points they have is hardly different than allowing players to earn additional skill points (via boosters) for AUR. And unlike the latter, this has a cost penalty to use it: You lose ISK every time you do it, since you don't get a full refund on skill books. I am generally against respecs (particularly free ones with no penalty), but this isn't pay to win. CCP has done a good job avoiding that, and the CPM will help ensure they stay on point with that. I disagree. Now I can pay AUR to move into the FOTM. That is the very essence of pay to win. I pay money, I win. Loosing ISK is of absolutely no concern. Now with more evil.
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 4421	Posted - 2014.10.29 06:58:00 - [16] - Quote Mobius Kaethis wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: Mobius Kaethis wrote: KEROSIINI-TERO wrote: No, this mean everybody loses. Well, every dust player at least. I can't help but agree. All that is happening is the switch from dust as a free to play game to a pay to win game. Allowing players to redefine the skill points they have is hardly different than allowing players to earn additional skill points (via boosters) for AUR. And unlike the latter, this has a cost penalty to use it: You lose ISK every time you do it, since you don't get a full refund on skill books. I am generally against respecs (particularly free ones with no penalty), but this isn't pay to win. CCP has done a good job avoiding that, and the CPM will help ensure they stay on point with that. I disagree. Now I can pay AUR to move into the FOTM. That is the very essence of pay to win. I pay money, I win. Loosing ISK is of absolutely no concern. You can also pre-stock skill points before a patch (plenty of notice) or buy a booster, and skill into the FOTM on patch/hotfix day. Without the additional penalties of a respec, or in some cases, the cost of buying anything at all. If anything, respecs just allow people to either undo stupidity or commit new stupidity. IMHO. :) CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Pvt Numnutz Prophets of the Velocirapture 1890	Posted - 2014.10.29 07:02:00 - [17] - Quote Hurray! Bolt pistols for everyone! Master Skyshark rider Kaalaka dakka tamer
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution 8148	Posted - 2014.10.29 07:10:00 - [18] - Quote Pvt Numnutz wrote: Hurray! Bolt pistols for everyone! Bolt Pistols have been "fixed" CCP holds the Caldari's hand so this doesn't happen again.
Spectral Clone Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 2943	Posted - 2014.10.29 07:19:00 - [19] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: We win GG no RE ^ What he said. Now, take my f*cking money CCP. Fix mouse support in Dust 514! How to do it: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=965407#post965407
Mobius Kaethis Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1988	Posted - 2014.10.29 07:37:00 - [20] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Mobius Kaethis wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: Mobius Kaethis wrote: KEROSIINI-TERO wrote: No, this mean everybody loses. Well, every dust player at least. I can't help but agree. All that is happening is the switch from dust as a free to play game to a pay to win game. Allowing players to redefine the skill points they have is hardly different than allowing players to earn additional skill points (via boosters) for AUR. And unlike the latter, this has a cost penalty to use it: You lose ISK every time you do it, since you don't get a full refund on skill books. I am generally against respecs (particularly free ones with no penalty), but this isn't pay to win. CCP has done a good job avoiding that, and the CPM will help ensure they stay on point with that. I disagree. Now I can pay AUR to move into the FOTM. That is the very essence of pay to win. I pay money, I win. Loosing ISK is of absolutely no concern. You can also pre-stock skill points before a patch (plenty of notice) or buy a booster, and skill into the FOTM on patch/hotfix day. Without the additional penalties of a respec, or in some cases, the cost of buying anything at all. If anything, respecs just allow people to either undo stupidity or commit new stupidity. IMHO. :) I have no problem undoing foolish new player mistakes. The skilling is a bit complex and they are bound to happen. But that should be a built in option players get at 5 mil sp or so. By making this a respec for real world currency people are able to pay money to gain an advantage in the game. Sure you can plan for it by banking sp, which does the same thing but you also don't have the benefit of those SP while you're holding them. By buying your respec you don't have that disadvantage. You have essentially no disadvantage since your FOTM fit will earn you isk. Before you say it yes boosters also are real money for an in game advantage but that advantage comes with serious time investments to really make it pay out. The respec system they are implementing does none of that. There is no work, there is no downside. You have money, you pay it to CCP, you win. That is what they have reduced this game to and I am saddened by it. Now with more evil.

Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 17540	Posted - 2014.10.29 07:50:00 - [21] - Quote Really? I thought a faction of the anti speccers won because there won't be any more free ones on the grounds of 'just because' and that the effort being put into these items would pay for the efforts. CPM 1 Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= Prototype Forge Gun=// Unlocked
Lady MDK Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 159	Posted - 2014.10.29 08:05:00 - [22] - Quote Yeah better find out how much it will cost before you start gloating about it. Anyone getting annoyed by reading of the above post should consider the following. I don't care so neither should you :)
Bright Cloud Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 453	Posted - 2014.10.29 08:08:00 - [23] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: We win GG no RE CCP didnt implemented it due to the communitys sake. They are doing it to get money out of it hence why you need to spend AUR on it. Everything is now more aligned to get money out of the players pocket. -tons of BPO's -tripple stacking boosters -spend AUR on the market agent and you can get 15% more ISK for selling items -AUR respecs (still curious how much they will charge for that) CCP basically is now a opportunist. They see whiners wanting something and then shortly later they throw it into the game with a nice pricetag. I would had agreed with you if there was aswell a option to get a respec for like 50mil ISK but AUR only is dissapointing. Bright is the opposite of dark! Who would have thought of that?!
Stupid Blueberry Wirykomi Wolf Pack 536	Posted - 2014.10.29 09:37:00 - [24] - Quote AUR respecs are a buff to newbies - NJ ccp. Chillin, waitin on Legion. Ishukone loyalist, Caldari Scout enthusiast!
Stupid Blueberry Wirykomi Wolf Pack 536	Posted - 2014.10.29 09:38:00 - [25] - Quote Bright Cloud wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: We win GG no RE CCP didnt implemented it due to the communitys sake. They are doing it to get money out of it hence why you need to spend AUR on it. Everything is now more aligned to get money out of the players pocket. -tons of BPO's -tripple stacking boosters -spend AUR on the market agent and you can get 15% more ISK for selling items -AUR respecs (still curious how much they will charge for that) CCP basically is now a opportunist. They see whiners wanting something and then shortly later they throw it into the game with a nice pricetag. I would had agreed with you if there was aswell a option to get a respec for like 50mil ISK but AUR only is dissapointing. You could always quit playing the *free* game. Chillin, waitin on Legion. Ishukone loyalist, Caldari Scout enthusiast!
Dust User KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 917	Posted - 2014.10.29 10:54:00 - [26] - Quote Bright Cloud wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: We win GG no RE CCP didnt implemented it due to the communitys sake. They are doing it to get money out of it hence why you need to spend AUR on it. Everything is now more aligned to get money out of the players pocket. -tons of BPO's -tripple stacking boosters -spend AUR on the market agent and you can get 15% more ISK for selling items -AUR respecs (still curious how much they will charge for that) CCP basically is now a opportunist. They see whiners wanting something and then shortly later they throw it into the game with a nice pricetag. I would had agreed with you if there was aswell a option to get a respec for like 50mil ISK but AUR only is dissapointing. Shame on them for making money, and here I was thinking that was the whole point of a business. At least we didn't have to pay $60 up front and the game still be broken like most are these days.
Tech De Ra Electronic Sports League 978	Posted - 2014.10.29 10:56:00 - [27] - Quote Enjoy paying top dollah to get your respec and then find out you're still shite at the game Prime League champion SGL Sidearm champion Fanfest '14 All star champion
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency 5641	Posted - 2014.10.29 11:16:00 - [28] - Quote All I know is I have 0 amount of money in this game. Put your flags up in the sky. And wave them side to side. Show the world where you're from. Show the world we are one.
Evolution-7 The Rainbow Effect 665	Posted - 2014.10.29 11:43:00 - [29] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: We win GG no RE Only done because CCP need the dosh super bad. *EVE: LEGION ON PS4* RIP DUST. So much potential, December 2011 to May 2014 Veteran Pilot, Fight on and fly on!
castba Merc-0107 628	Posted - 2014.10.29 11:49:00 - [30] - Quote Bright Cloud wrote: [quote=DUST Fiend]We win -tripple stacking boosters Expecting an omega booster sale just prior to another Million Clone Challenge. "When everything is OP, nothing is" - CCP Ratatti

Zindorak G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 1179	Posted - 2014.10.29 11:51:00 - [31] - Quote i dont care i have increased sp Pokemon master and Tekken Lord Gk0 Scout yay :)
Mobius Kaethis Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1988	Posted - 2014.10.29 13:29:00 - [32] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Really? I thought a faction of the anti speccers won because there won't be any more free ones on the grounds of 'just because' and that the effort being put into these items would pay for the efforts. How does that reduce the pay to win aspect or the homogenizing effect this will have on the battlefield? Did no one on the CPM mention either of these outcomes? I am all for CCP making money. The more they make the longer I get to shoot face. This will have too many negatives to be worth the trade off though. Now with more evil.
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 4435	Posted - 2014.10.29 14:08:00 - [33] - Quote Mobius Kaethis wrote: How does that reduce the pay to win aspect or the homogenizing effect this will have on the battlefield? There is no pay to win aspect. And good game balance will prevent homogenization on the battlefield. The fact that people get more SP over time does more to create homogenization on the battlefield than a respec ever will. (I have almost every weapon skilled up now, for instance.) CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Tech De Ra Electronic Sports League 981	Posted - 2014.10.29 14:22:00 - [34] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: There is no pay to win aspect. And good game balance will prevent homogenization on the battlefield. Don't ever fall into the trap of saying good game balance prevents fotm/minmaxing/etc It reduces its effect, it will never prevent it Prime League champion SGL Sidearm champion Fanfest '14 All star champion
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 4440	Posted - 2014.10.29 14:36:00 - [35] - Quote True enough. Okay, good game balance... combined with the cost of the respec which will likely make it not worth it for very small gains in benefit. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Tech De Ra Electronic Sports League 981	Posted - 2014.10.29 14:41:00 - [36] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: True enough. Okay, good game balance... combined with the cost of the respec which will likely make it not worth it for very small gains in benefit. thats a much better statement, you are learning young padawan Prime League champion SGL Sidearm champion Fanfest '14 All star champion
X7 lion Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 406	Posted - 2014.10.29 14:44:00 - [37] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: We win GG no RE yea kool, thanks for funding ccp so dust can turn a profit off you guys specing into fotm so that they can afford to put more development resources into dust. really thanks. more money for them means they can afford to keep people working on the game. Do not contribute to malice what can be explained by ignorance. being contradictory is not the same as being offensive.
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1872	Posted - 2014.10.29 15:19:00 - [38] - Quote I'm a bit disappointed, to be honest, about the respec announcement, as I've been very measured in how I've spent my SP, and if I had it all to do over again, I'd do it exactly the same.... ...but if respecs lead towards increased player enjoyment and participation, I support the effort.
Bright Cloud Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 455	Posted - 2014.10.29 15:19:00 - [39] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: True enough. Okay, good game balance... combined with the cost of the respec which will likely make it not worth it for very small gains in benefit. Game balance? Pardon me but every 1 will just chase after FOTM each time CCP changes something. And certain stuff will go extinct the minute the patch drops. Bright is the opposite of dark! Who would have thought of that?!
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 4443	Posted - 2014.10.29 15:25:00 - [40] - Quote Bright Cloud, I've heard this argument, but there is no logic to it. Just saying it repetitively does not make it true. Every respec will cost money. (Exact cost not announced at current.) Players are not going to pay to switch fits every time the balance is changed when the difference in power is only a few percentage points, since the game is so much more balanced than it used to be, and SP gain will be so much higher. There's just no logic or sense in your statement. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.

Michael Arck 5902	Posted - 2014.10.29 15:29:00 - [41] - Quote Wait a minute So they will be implementing respecs for AUR? There's a good part and a bad part to that. Archistrategos / The 7th Prime / Selah *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 2253	Posted - 2014.10.29 15:30:00 - [42] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: We win GG no RE I like this I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
Foley Jones Huogikku Corporation Heiian Conglomerate 681	Posted - 2014.10.29 15:31:00 - [43] - Quote Welp, i could give less of a **** if it was added Gratz on your victory guys o/ MY SP BRINGS ALL THE MERCS TO THE CHANNEL AND THEY ARE LIKE "Do you wanna squad up?" DAMN RIGHT I WANNA SQUAD UP
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 2253	Posted - 2014.10.29 15:36:00 - [44] - Quote KEROSIINI-TERO wrote: No, this mean everybody loses. Well, every dust player at least. Explain yourself, please. I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
Jack McReady Dust University Ivy League 1543	Posted - 2014.10.29 15:38:00 - [45] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: KEROSIINI-TERO wrote: No, this mean everybody loses. Well, every dust player at least. Explain yourself, please. he means that everyone is going for AV to hunt your vehicles and you will flood the forum with huge amount of tears which will shut down server
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 2253	Posted - 2014.10.29 15:39:00 - [46] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Mobius Kaethis wrote: KEROSIINI-TERO wrote: No, this mean everybody loses. Well, every dust player at least. I can't help but agree. All that is happening is the switch from dust as a free to play game to a pay to win game. Allowing players to redefine the skill points they have is hardly different than allowing players to earn additional skill points (via boosters) for AUR. And unlike the latter, this has a cost penalty to use it: You lose ISK every time you do it, since you don't get a full refund on skill books. I am generally against respecs (particularly free ones with no penalty), but this isn't pay to win. CCP has done a good job avoiding that, and the CPM will help ensure they stay on point with that. Let Rattati know that a 3-6 month waiting period in between respecs might be something he could look into. He didn't respond to that yesterday, so I figure the CPM would have a better chance of letting them know. It would help avoid guys with a bunch of money to burn on the game to respec every week, or every single time a new flavor of the weak is discovered. I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 4279	Posted - 2014.10.29 15:44:00 - [47] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Let Rattati know that a 3-6 month waiting period in between respecs might be something he could look into. 6 months is a bit extreme, but having a 60 - 90 day cooldown timer on respecs would be acceptable to deter abuse. On the flip side, if players are allowed to respec whenever they want that just means more money for CCP. If balancing remains a high priority then FotM fittings will not completely ruin the game. SP is able to be earned much faster so even players who can't afford respecs will have an easier time speccing into new playstyles. My advice to you, playa...
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 4452	Posted - 2014.10.29 15:44:00 - [48] - Quote Time limits were definitely discussed. Note that respeccing every week would steadily eat their ISK, and Rattati is aggressively pursuing nerfs to FOTMs. I think boosters (particularly with their new ability to stack) should generally be a smarter choice for people wishing to spec into new things frequently as well, and help mitigate the benefits of frequent respec use. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Michael Arck 5902	Posted - 2014.10.29 15:50:00 - [49] - Quote But wouldnt the respecs bring cause to unnecessary but necessary nerf due to increased usage activity of an items, which creates a kaleidoscope of variance that impacts the landscape of Dust? FOTM chasing is a strong issue here. Or is it that no one longer cares and we are just allowing anything like its the hostile world of Mad Max? Archistrategos / The 7th Prime / Selah *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 4455	Posted - 2014.10.29 15:52:00 - [50] - Quote Michael, what is the current FOTM? How much stronger is it than the next strongest fit? CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.

Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 4280	Posted - 2014.10.29 15:54:00 - [51] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: But wouldnt the respecs bring cause to unnecessary but necessary nerf due to increased usage activity of an items, which creates a kaleidoscope of variance that impacts the landscape of Dust? FOTM chasing is a strong issue here. Or is it that no one longer cares and we are just allowing anything like its the hostile world of Mad Max? Balancing, true balancing, means looking at things like K/D ratios of certain weapons at specific ranges. It doesn't matter if hundreds of thousands of players are using a weapon or fitting, so long as that weapon or fitting is performing within the tolerance for its design. For example, let's pretend the RR was lethal at 5m, 10m, 15m and 20m+. The RR was always intended to be a long range infantry rifle that performs poorly at close ranges. Therefore, it was balanced to be less effective in CQC. Months later, 90% of the playerbase is using RR, but data indicates that they aren't killing players inside of 10m. This means the RR is working as intended. The "meta" of Dust is just causing the RR to be popular. An opportunistic player would start running CQC fittings to kill those RR fittings. Beating them with the RR's weakness. I hope that makes some sense. My advice to you, playa...
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 2255	Posted - 2014.10.29 16:03:00 - [52] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Wait a minute So they will be implementing respecs for AUR? There's a good part and a bad part to that. You're only just now realizing that? It was in the 1.9 dev blog. A lot of people were commenting about it on the 1.9 thread as well. I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
Michael Arck 5902	Posted - 2014.10.29 16:03:00 - [53] - Quote There is no such thing as true balance. It cannot be achieved because few are good with a controller and majority are not. If a player masters his weapon loadout, then he is penalized for "true balance" which basically means, "you're too good at what you do and we must nerf the loadout to compensate for others" Yet this is the conundrum. Once he moves on to something else, the nerf bat will swing again. So we should do away with saying "true balance" or "perfect balance". Dust 514 stalled in growth because of many reasons, one being the hunt for "true balance". It simply cannot be obtained unless we're implementing microchips into Dust players brains to keep them at even keel. Alas, we are caught in a whirlwind of nerfs and buffs. Archistrategos / The 7th Prime / Selah *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 2255	Posted - 2014.10.29 16:04:00 - [54] - Quote Jack McReady wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: KEROSIINI-TERO wrote: No, this mean everybody loses. Well, every dust player at least. Explain yourself, please. he means that everyone is going for AV to hunt your vehicles and you will flood the forum with huge amount of tears which will shut down server AV is already easy enough. I can nearly one-shot an armor tank with base HP with the PRO breach forge with a Min sentinel and proficiency 3. Get a Cal sentinel and proficiency 5, and it will be done. But, people don't want to wait for that perfect opportunity. They take the first available shot, then complain when someone with a brain escapes them. I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
Michael Arck 5902	Posted - 2014.10.29 16:05:00 - [55] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Wait a minute So they will be implementing respecs for AUR? There's a good part and a bad part to that. You're only just now realizing that? It was in the 1.9 dev blog. A lot of people were commenting about it on the 1.9 thread as well. Yes Im only realizing it. I havent been on the forums for quite a while. I just heard a 1.9 is coming. Archistrategos / The 7th Prime / Selah *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 4458	Posted - 2014.10.29 16:06:00 - [56] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: There is no such thing as true balance. It cannot be achieved because few are good with a controller and majority are not. If a player masters his weapon loadout, then he is penalized for "true balance" which basically means, "you're too good at what you do and we must nerf the loadout to compensate for others" Yet this is the conundrum. Once he moves on to something else, the nerf bat will swing again. So we should do away with saying "true balance" or "perfect balance". Dust 514 stalled in growth because of many reasons, one being the hunt for "true balance". It simply cannot be obtained unless we're implementing microchips into Dust players brains to keep them at even keel. Alas, we are caught in a whirlwind of nerfs and buffs. Perfect balance is impossible to achieve, and nerfs and buffs will always happen. I agree. However, balance has come much closer than it used to be. Differences between over- and under- performing fits will be smaller, and balance changes should be more nuanced. This, combined with higher SP gain, and an AUR cost on the respec, should greatly reduce both the appeal and effectiveness of respecs. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 4281	Posted - 2014.10.29 16:09:00 - [57] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Dust 514 stalled in growth because of many reasons, one being the hunt for "true balance". a¦á_a¦á ...Dust 514 has experienced some of the largest periods of player retention and growth in it's life since CCP Rattati began balancing things. My advice to you, playa...
Michael Arck 5902	Posted - 2014.10.29 16:09:00 - [58] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Michael, what is the current FOTM? How much stronger is it than the next strongest fit? I honestly cannot answer that because I havent played for a long time except for yesterday. Let me reword it. Heres an example. Players respec. 75 percent skills into RRs. We all know (or should know) RRs are weak, just effective in mainly pubs. Yet the increase of usage causes GD to react. Because of Rattati's direction of pursuing FOTM discouraging by way of nerfing, RR is nerfed again. Mainstay users render it useless. Respec buyers just buy another respec and the process begins again. Archistrategos / The 7th Prime / Selah *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 4460	Posted - 2014.10.29 16:11:00 - [59] - Quote Michael, Rattati's primary statistic for balance is not forum whining. You may wish to check the post he made today, it has pretty graphs and charts and explains a lot about the balance process. :) CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Michael Arck 5902	Posted - 2014.10.29 16:13:00 - [60] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Dust 514 stalled in growth because of many reasons, one being the hunt for "true balance". a¦á_a¦á ...Dust 514 has experienced some of the largest periods of player retention and growth in it's life since CCP Rattati began balancing things. That is a side opinion and it doesnt address what Im saying. If the balance was true now even after all his work (no offense Rattati), Judge wouldnt be pissed about the ADS and nerf talks wouldnt still be happening on GD. You cannot obtain true balance. Its either players are going to suck it up or others are going to complain. That is always the case and for that reason alone, true balance will never be achieved. Archistrategos / The 7th Prime / Selah *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain

Tech De Ra Electronic Sports League 988	Posted - 2014.10.29 16:13:00 - [61] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Dust 514 stalled in growth because of many reasons, one being the hunt for "true balance". I dont think you understand how balancing or development works mate, the quest for balance will always be ongoing and stopping is a ******** idea development of a game does not stop because a small team that isnt in charge of development ends up working on balancing (P.S. Balancing takes into account the skill difference of players via the use of razors, it doesnt give them a handicap because "they are too good") Prime League champion SGL Sidearm champion Fanfest '14 All star champion
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 4281	Posted - 2014.10.29 16:15:00 - [62] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: I honestly cannot answer that because I havent played for a long time except for yesterday. Let me reword it. Heres an example. Players respec. 75 percent skills into RRs. We all know (or should know) RRs are weak, just effective in mainly pubs. Yet the increase of usage causes GD to react. Because of Rattati's direction of pursuing FOTM discouraging by way of nerfing, RR is nerfed again. Mainstay users render it useless. Respec buyers just buy another respec and the process begins again. If that was the way CCP balanced things, then you would be right. But that is not, at all, how it is done now. Player usage is just one of many numbers they consider in balancing. Here is an example of how CCP balances things: [Data Insights] Rifles and Balancing Methodology My advice to you, playa...
Michael Arck 5902	Posted - 2014.10.29 16:15:00 - [63] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Michael, Rattati's primary statistic for balance is not forum whining. You may wish to check the post he made today, it has pretty graphs and charts and explains a lot about the balance process. :) I didnt say anything about forum whining though when discussing Rattati. I read his post before, that he wishes to discourage FOTM by way of nerfing. In fact he has nerfed items before based on a high usage percentage. Paid respecs give way to tipping the balance even further. Archistrategos / The 7th Prime / Selah *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain
Tech De Ra Electronic Sports League 988	Posted - 2014.10.29 16:17:00 - [64] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: Michael, Rattati's primary statistic for balance is not forum whining. You may wish to check the post he made today, it has pretty graphs and charts and explains a lot about the balance process. :) I didnt say anything about forum whining though when discussing Rattati. I read his post before, that he wishes to discourage FOTM by way of nerfing. In fact he has nerfed items before based on a high usage percentage. Paid respecs give way to tipping the balance even further. There is a difference between "high usage %" and "high usage % coupled with high performance on average" Prime League champion SGL Sidearm champion Fanfest '14 All star champion
Michael Arck 5902	Posted - 2014.10.29 16:18:00 - [65] - Quote Tech De Ra wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Dust 514 stalled in growth because of many reasons, one being the hunt for "true balance". I dont think you understand how balancing or development works mate, the quest for balance will always be ongoing and stopping is a ****** idea development of a game does not stop because a small team that isnt in charge of development ends up working on balancing (P.S. Balancing takes into account the skill difference of players via the use of razors, it doesnt give them a handicap because "they are too good") I think most of you dont understand what Im expressing and have rose tinted glasses on, mate. Oh well, I will return later...got breakfast cooking. Archistrategos / The 7th Prime / Selah** *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 4282	Posted - 2014.10.29 16:24:00 - [66] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: I think most of you dont understand what Im expressing and have rose tinted glasses on, mate. Oh well, I will return later...got breakfast cooking. We're trying to explain that CCP doesn't nerf to discourage usage of a fitting. They nerf when a fitting is overperforming in areas it should not be overperforming in. Tomorrow, every player begins using the shotgun. As expected, data indicates shotguns are destroying people that are 4m away. That is good, that is what the shotgun should do. No changes needed. The day after that, data indicates the shotgun is insta-gibbing people at 20m away. WHOA. That's not right. The range on the shotgun is way too high. CCP then nerfs the range of the shotgun so it performs well within its intended role: high-alpha damage CQC. THAT is how balancing works. Not, "LOTS OF PEOPLE USING THINGS MAKE THAT THING BAD NOA!!!" My advice to you, playa...
Tech De Ra Electronic Sports League 989	Posted - 2014.10.29 16:24:00 - [67] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Tech De Ra wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Dust 514 stalled in growth because of many reasons, one being the hunt for "true balance". I dont think you understand how balancing or development works mate, the quest for balance will always be ongoing and stopping is a ******** idea development of a game does not stop because a small team that isnt in charge of development ends up working on balancing (P.S. Balancing takes into account the skill difference of players via the use of razors, it doesnt give them a handicap because "they are too good") I think most of you dont understand what Im expressing and have rose tinted glasses on, mate. Oh well, I will return later...got breakfast cooking. Ah, my time spent helping multiple games with balancing and then winning thier tournaments must mean i'm wrong then It couldn't possibly be that a scrub like you is wrong, we wouldn't ever think about that :P (i do like forums that allow me to say scrub, did you know the RSI forums instantly ban you if you say scrub or carebear?) Prime League champion SGL Sidearm champion Fanfest '14 All star champion
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 1436	Posted - 2014.10.29 17:19:00 - [68] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Mobius Wyvern wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: We win GG no RE You left this game for Destiny. How did you win anything? tries to pretend he doesn't fervently hope this is a sign his old ADS buddy will be back for more awesome adventures To be fair, I didn't leave "for" Destiny, I left because this game is a nightmare, Destiny just released around the same time. I have no ps3 or desire to use neutered ADS lol. I just saw the respec thing and laughed my ass off. it wasnt neutered it had its Godmode ultimate-slayer-killer of anything moveing.. Title revoked. [[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 1 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]]
DUST Fiend Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 14765	Posted - 2014.10.29 18:01:00 - [69] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Mobius Wyvern wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: We win GG no RE You left this game for Destiny. How did you win anything? tries to pretend he doesn't fervently hope this is a sign his old ADS buddy will be back for more awesome adventures To be fair, I didn't leave "for" Destiny, I left because this game is a nightmare, Destiny just released around the same time. I have no ps3 or desire to use neutered ADS lol. I just saw the respec thing and laughed my ass off. it wasnt neutered it had its Godmode ultimate-slayer-killer of anything moveing.. Title revoked. Only scrubs couldn't down an Incubus before. Now its virtually impossible to fail at killing one, and it lost the one thing that made it worth a damn in the first place: its AV potential. If theres one thing Ratatti clearly still struggles to understand, its AV vs Vehicle balance. Ten Year Plan (pâÄa¦át¢èa¦á)pâÄs+íGö+GöüGö+
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 4466	Posted - 2014.10.29 18:08:00 - [70] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: If theres one thing Ratatti clearly still struggles to understand, its AV vs Vehicle balance. This is the first time in the game's history we've legitimately had any attempt at AV vs. Vehicle balance. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.

DUST Fiend Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 14766	Posted - 2014.10.29 18:11:00 - [71] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: If theres one thing Ratatti clearly still struggles to understand, its AV vs Vehicle balance. This is the first time in the game's history we've legitimately had any attempt at AV vs. Vehicle balance. ........... Ten Year Plan (pâÄa¦át¢èa¦á)pâÄs+íGö+GöüGö+
Vesta Opalus Bloodline Rebellion Capital Punishment. 120	Posted - 2014.10.29 18:42:00 - [72] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: Michael, Rattati's primary statistic for balance is not forum whining. You may wish to check the post he made today, it has pretty graphs and charts and explains a lot about the balance process. :) I didnt say anything about forum whining though when discussing Rattati. I read his post before, that he wishes to discourage FOTM by way of nerfing. In fact he has nerfed items before based on a high usage percentage. Paid respecs give way to tipping the balance even further. But thats not true. He has used high usage percentage as a starting point for investigating possible overpoweredness, but I'd like you to prove that hes using people using **** alot and just saying WELP LETS NERF IT. Saying "Oh thats funny, the rail rifle is being used like 30% of the time which is way more than any other rifle, lets look at the kill rate of the weapon compared to other rifles and other data and see if its outperforming everything else" is way different to just saying "Oh thats funny, the rail rifle is being used like 30% of the time, lets nerf it now without even investigating".
DUST Fiend Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 14766	Posted - 2014.10.29 18:52:00 - [73] - Quote Vesta Opalus wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: Michael, Rattati's primary statistic for balance is not forum whining. You may wish to check the post he made today, it has pretty graphs and charts and explains a lot about the balance process. :) I didnt say anything about forum whining though when discussing Rattati. I read his post before, that he wishes to discourage FOTM by way of nerfing. In fact he has nerfed items before based on a high usage percentage. Paid respecs give way to tipping the balance even further. But thats not true. He has used high usage percentage as a starting point for investigating possible overpoweredness, but I'd like you to prove that hes using people using ** alot and just saying WELP LETS NERF IT. Saying "Oh thats funny, the rail rifle is being used like 30% of the time which is way more than any other rifle, lets look at the kill rate of the weapon compared to other rifles and other data and see if its outperforming everything else" is way different to just saying "Oh thats funny, the rail rifle is being used like 30% of the time, lets nerf it now without even investigating". I tend to hate on Ratatti and crew a lot, but this man speaks truth Ten Year Plan (pâÄa¦át¢èa¦á)pâÄs+íGö+GöüGö+**
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency 5646	Posted - 2014.10.29 19:21:00 - [74] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Bright Cloud, I've heard this argument, but there is no logic to it. Just saying it repetitively does not make it true. Every respec will cost money. (Exact cost not announced at current.) Players are not going to pay to switch fits every time the balance is changed when the difference in power is only a few percentage points, since the game is so much more balanced than it used to be, and SP gain will be so much higher. There's just no logic or sense in your statement. I think Bright Cloud is exaggerating at the scale at which people will get respec's but Cloud is still correct in that a substantial amount of people are likely to switch their skill points into the best rated gear for the moment. Put your flags up in the sky. And wave them side to side. Show the world where you're from. Show the world we are one.
Toby Flenderson research lab 596	Posted - 2014.10.29 19:37:00 - [75] - Quote Mobius Kaethis wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: Mobius Kaethis wrote: KEROSIINI-TERO wrote: No, this mean everybody loses. Well, every dust player at least. I can't help but agree. All that is happening is the switch from dust as a free to play game to a pay to win game. Allowing players to redefine the skill points they have is hardly different than allowing players to earn additional skill points (via boosters) for AUR. And unlike the latter, this has a cost penalty to use it: You lose ISK every time you do it, since you don't get a full refund on skill books. I am generally against respecs (particularly free ones with no penalty), but this isn't pay to win. CCP has done a good job avoiding that, and the CPM will help ensure they stay on point with that. I disagree. Now I can pay AUR to move into the FOTM. That is the very essence of pay to win. I pay money, I win. Loosing ISK is of absolutely no concern. It doesn't matter what you use at this point, people do well with PLCs and flaylocks. The FOTM is nice but it's not like everything else is unusable. This isn't pay to win, it's pay to change.
DUST Fiend Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 14768	Posted - 2014.10.29 19:38:00 - [76] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: Bright Cloud, I've heard this argument, but there is no logic to it. Just saying it repetitively does not make it true. Every respec will cost money. (Exact cost not announced at current.) Players are not going to pay to switch fits every time the balance is changed when the difference in power is only a few percentage points, since the game is so much more balanced than it used to be, and SP gain will be so much higher. There's just no logic or sense in your statement. I think Bright Cloud is exaggerating at the scale at which people will get respec's but Cloud is still correct in that a substantial amount of people are likely to switch their skill points into the best rated gear for the moment. I still say it makes for a healthier environment in terms of game balancing. If a fit is actually OP and a player is a FoTM player, they are likely putting sp into that anyways. Respecs simply highlight these over performing options, and also provide an avenue of escape should the nerf hammer hit unreasonably hard. I know people want this to be real life, but at the end of the day, games should be fun. If you arent having fun, then theres no reason to play. I dont even play this game anymore but ill probably buy a respec just to get rid of all my infantry sp and save it Ten Year Plan (pâÄa¦át¢èa¦á)pâÄs+íGö+GöüGö+
Alena Ventrallis Vengeance Unbound RISE of LEGION 2071	Posted - 2014.10.29 19:43:00 - [77] - Quote Mobius Kaethis wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: Mobius Kaethis wrote: KEROSIINI-TERO wrote: No, this mean everybody loses. Well, every dust player at least. I can't help but agree. All that is happening is the switch from dust as a free to play game to a pay to win game. Allowing players to redefine the skill points they have is hardly different than allowing players to earn additional skill points (via boosters) for AUR. And unlike the latter, this has a cost penalty to use it: You lose ISK every time you do it, since you don't get a full refund on skill books. I am generally against respecs (particularly free ones with no penalty), but this isn't pay to win. CCP has done a good job avoiding that, and the CPM will help ensure they stay on point with that. I disagree. Now I can pay AUR to move into the FOTM. That is the very essence of pay to win. I pay money, I win. Loosing ISK is of absolutely no concern. No, no, NO. Pay to win is: the best weapons/gear are only available for real money. The only difference between respecs and getting more SP is time. That's it. Pay to win would be: the only way to gain more SP at all is with AUR. Or the only way to get officer weapons is to buy them for AUR. Or the only way to get proto weapons and gear is AUR. Proof that Rattati/CCP do listen to the playerbase.
Michael Arck 5902	Posted - 2014.10.29 19:43:00 - [78] - Quote So the AR was nerfed due to balance, even when it was pretty much the standard go to rifle? This when we didnt even have a various auto rifle selection. The RR was nerfed for balance, even though in its original form it couldnt compete in a highly competitive setting of PC? I think if the rose tinted glasses are taken off, my point would be understood. Archistrategos / The 7th Prime / Selah *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain
Omega Nox Consolidated Dust 6	Posted - 2014.10.29 19:52:00 - [79] - Quote X7 lion wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: We win GG no RE yea kool, thanks for funding ccp so dust can turn a profit off you guys specing into fotm so that they can afford to put more development resources into dust. really thanks. more money for them means they can afford to keep people working on the game. On a personal note it also adds to a human element in which the developers can actually pay their rent and feed their kids. Money = more game = everyone's happy except the malcontented free riders.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 17549	Posted - 2014.10.29 19:54:00 - [80] - Quote Mobius Kaethis wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Really? I thought a faction of the anti speccers won because there won't be any more free ones on the grounds of 'just because' and that the effort being put into these items would pay for the efforts. How does that reduce the pay to win aspect or the homogenizing effect this will have on the battlefield? Did no one on the CPM mention either of these outcomes? I am all for CCP making money. The more they make the longer I get to shoot face. This will have too many negatives to be worth the trade off though. The item has a certain nature to it that will be explained in a blog. CPM 1 Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= Prototype Forge Gun=// Unlocked

CELESTA AUNGM Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 306	Posted - 2014.10.29 21:11:00 - [81] - Quote The players among us who think RESPEC is a cause for celebration and is going to solve GÇ£the point in the skill-path where I think I took the wrong turn and thatGÇÖs why I keep losing these fights---NOW IGÇÖm going to WIN these fightsGÇöjust watch me---GÇ£... ...are sort of like the compulsive gambler who swears sheGÇÖs got the right card-counting system to beat the casino at blackjack, and that last week she lost ONLY because she started playing after the third deck instead of the fourth deck. The casino has nothing to lose and everything to win by letting that gambler come back to try again. SheGÇÖs still going to lose, because sheGÇÖs believing thereGÇÖs a SYSTEM in here somewhere that will give her straight wins. CCP has nothing to lose and everything to win by letting you do-over (heck, they even know they can CHARGE you for a do-over, and youGÇÖll buy it) to try your luck at re-skilling. Most, (not all, but most) of us are still going to lose our new SP to the same poor judgement as before, because weGÇÖre believing thereGÇÖs a GÇ£pay-to-winGÇ¥ SYSTEM in here somewhere that will give us stomper-wins. But Dust Fiend and Alena make great points: WeGÇÖve played this game for so long, yet we STILL ignore AlenaGÇÖs true definition of GÇ£pay-to-winGÇ¥(your money or SP wonGÇÖt win you a Dust fightGÇöonly the unpreparedness of the red players). There IS something being lost by respec-allowance. TIME is lost (that means the game has sacrificed some longevity with developing your merc). And some RESPECT is lost for those players who stuck through the game the way EVE players stuck through---absorb your mistakes, eat your losses, grind the extra time as penance, and STILL prevail. I wonGÇÖt be respect-ing. DonGÇÖt need to, ... and I donGÇÖt have any resentments against those who DO buy a respec (respec-ers most likely wonGÇÖt acknowledge my point of view about GÇ£respectingGÇ¥ the player who GÇÿsucks-it-up-n-takes-the grindGÇÖ, so... hey, why argue, Celesta.) I WILL be curious about the reasons WHY Uprising 1.9 has such GÇ£giftsGÇ¥ for us players. Bakery going out of business, so give the muffins away at -+ price to keep them from spoiling without a profit? Throw all BPOs and leftover goods into a revolving-Aurum scheme that lines up players to have more addictive reasons to buy more Aurum from Sony between now and 2015 than weGÇÖve seen since Jan 2014? I donGÇÖt know. Remember that funny scene in Peter JacksonGÇÖs movie where Golum bites the ring off FrodoGÇÖs finger and finally wins the ring,... heGÇÖs won, heGÇÖs won.... But, umm, waitGÇöwhat? Universe of good wishes for the 49, especially CCP Eterne... No story can have life without writers and publishers.
jenza aranda BetaMax. 3566	Posted - 2014.10.29 21:36:00 - [82] - Quote Yes, you won. But they went with my idea :) Dust 514 101 // Dust 514 Wiki
Mobius Wyvern Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 5365	Posted - 2014.10.29 21:45:00 - [83] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Mobius Wyvern wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: We win GG no RE You left this game for Destiny. How did you win anything? tries to pretend he doesn't fervently hope this is a sign his old ADS buddy will be back for more awesome adventures To be fair, I didn't leave "for" Destiny, I left because this game is a nightmare, Destiny just released around the same time. I have no ps3 or desire to use neutered ADS lol. I just saw the respec thing and laughed my ass off. trying to look nonchalant while sniffing quietly and blinking back tears Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
TechMechMeds KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 6184	Posted - 2014.10.29 21:52:00 - [84] - Quote CELESTA AUNGM wrote: The players among us who think RESPEC is a cause for celebration and is going to solve GÇ£the point in the skill-path where I think I took the wrong turn and thatGÇÖs why I keep losing these fights---NOW IGÇÖm going to WIN these fightsGÇöjust watch me---GÇ£... ...are sort of like the compulsive gambler who swears sheGÇÖs got the right card-counting system to beat the casino at blackjack, and that last week she lost ONLY because she started playing after the third deck instead of the fourth deck. The casino has nothing to lose and everything to win by letting that gambler come back to try again. SheGÇÖs still going to lose, because sheGÇÖs believing thereGÇÖs a SYSTEM in here somewhere that will give her straight wins. CCP has nothing to lose and everything to win by letting you do-over (heck, they even know they can CHARGE you for a do-over, and youGÇÖll buy it) to try your luck at re-skilling. Most, (not all, but most) of us are still going to lose our new SP to the same poor judgement as before, because weGÇÖre believing thereGÇÖs a GÇ£pay-to-winGÇ¥ SYSTEM in here somewhere that will give us stomper-wins. But Dust Fiend and Alena make great points: WeGÇÖve played this game for so long, yet we STILL ignore AlenaGÇÖs true definition of GÇ£pay-to-winGÇ¥(your money or SP wonGÇÖt win you a Dust fightGÇöonly the unpreparedness of the red players). There IS something being lost by respec-allowance. TIME is lost (that means the game has sacrificed some longevity with developing your merc). And some RESPECT is lost for those players who stuck through the game the way EVE players stuck through---absorb your mistakes, eat your losses, grind the extra time as penance, and STILL prevail. I wonGÇÖt be respect-ing. DonGÇÖt need to, ... and I donGÇÖt have any resentments against those who DO buy a respec (respec-ers most likely wonGÇÖt acknowledge my point of view about GÇ£respectingGÇ¥ the player who GÇÿsucks-it-up-n-takes-the grindGÇÖ, so... hey, why argue, Celesta.) I WILL be curious about the reasons WHY Uprising 1.9 has such GÇ£giftsGÇ¥ for us players. Bakery going out of business, so give the muffins away at -+ price to keep them from spoiling without a profit? Throw all BPOs and leftover goods into a revolving-Aurum scheme that lines up players to have more addictive reasons to buy more Aurum from Sony between now and 2015 than weGÇÖve seen since Jan 2014? I donGÇÖt know. Remember that funny scene in Peter JacksonGÇÖs movie where Golum bites the ring off FrodoGÇÖs finger and finally wins the ring,... heGÇÖs won, heGÇÖs won.... But, umm, waitGÇöwhat? Generalised doom and gloom, well put. I am GJR's Renfield lol My favourite BAND '14 days till Maine' Their album - 28 days till maine.
DUST Fiend Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 14770	Posted - 2014.10.29 21:57:00 - [85] - Quote jenza aranda wrote: Yes, you won. But they went with my idea :) To be fair, im fairly certain it was a lot of peoples idea. Ten Year Plan (pâÄa¦át¢èa¦á)pâÄs+íGö+GöüGö+
Mobius Kaethis Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1992	Posted - 2014.10.29 22:12:00 - [86] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: True enough. Okay, good game balance... combined with the cost of the respec which will likely make it not worth it for very small gains in benefit. That is probably a fair assessment. I will concede but I am, as previously stated, displeased about this turn. Now with more evil.
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 4481	Posted - 2014.10.29 22:24:00 - [87] - Quote Man, if everyone could be happy at the same time........ CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 4301	Posted - 2014.10.30 00:40:00 - [88] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: That is a side opinion and it doesn't address what I'm saying. If the balance was true now even after all his work (no offense Rattati), Judge wouldn't be pissed about the ADS and nerf talks wouldn't still be happening on GD. You cannot obtain true balance. Its either players are going to suck it up or others are going to complain. That is always the case and for that reason alone, true balance will never be achieved. True balance is able to be achieved through constant monitoring of data and tweaking the game as needed. It's going to upset players who get comfortable with certain play styles (ADS, RR) then have that play style changed. If they are adults they will accept it as a necessary part of keeping the game healthy; they will either adapt to the balance or switch to a different fitting. Judge makes posts about the ADS because he got all warm and cozy in his 50 K/D genocide chariot, CCP discovered the overperformance of the ADS, and nerfed it accordingly. His play style has been disrupted. People don't like change. That has nothing to do with balance. It's just human nature. Important note: no, Dust being healthy isn't an opinion. CCP Rouge, "WeGÇÿre very happy to see that our player base remains both stable and active. In fact, we are currently seeing the highest engagement numbers in over a year, averaging around 300.000 Monthly Active (unique) Users over the last few months" Quoted from this devblog. Anecdotally, I squad with new mercs more often now and members of my own corporation are returning to Dust after all of the hotfixes. Someone I thought would NEVER return to Dust, if coming back after hearing about 1.9. Hell, even the forum feels a bit more active since the hotfixes. My advice to you, playa...
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 4301	Posted - 2014.10.30 00:41:00 - [89] - Quote jenza aranda wrote: Yes, you won. But they went with my idea :) Now if they just would have ignored your friendly-fire in FW idea... My advice to you, playa...
DUST Fiend Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 14773	Posted - 2014.10.30 00:48:00 - [90] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Michael Arck wrote: That is a side opinion and it doesn't address what I'm saying. If the balance was true now even after all his work (no offense Rattati), Judge wouldn't be pissed about the ADS and nerf talks wouldn't still be happening on GD. You cannot obtain true balance. Its either players are going to suck it up or others are going to complain. That is always the case and for that reason alone, true balance will never be achieved. True balance is able to be achieved through constant monitoring of data and tweaking the game as needed. It's going to upset players who get comfortable with certain play styles (ADS, RR) then have that play style changed. If they are adults they will accept it as a necessary part of keeping the game healthy; they will either adapt to the balance or switch to a different fitting. Judge makes posts about the ADS because he got all warm and cozy in his 50 K/D genocide chariot, CCP discovered the overperformance of the ADS, and nerfed it accordingly. His play style has been disrupted. People don't like change. That has nothing to do with balance. It's just human nature. Important note: no, Dust being healthy isn't an opinion. CCP Rouge, "WeGÇÿre very happy to see that our player base remains both stable and active. In fact, we are currently seeing the highest engagement numbers in over a year, averaging around 300.000 Monthly Active (unique) Users over the last few months" Quoted from this devblog. Anecdotally, I squad with new mercs more often now and members of my own corporation are returning to Dust after all of the hotfixes. Someone I thought would NEVER return to Dust, if coming back after hearing about 1.9. Hell, even the forum feels a bit more active since the hotfixes. Turning ADS into warpoint piniatas for skill less swarms is just a tad more than disrupting a play style lol. Never mind removing any AV potential from the Incubus. Rapid transport is rarely needed and almost always done better by an LAV befause easu to use AV with massive knock back makes extractions less than appealing. The problem is CCP has no idea what they want from ADS, and it shows. Ten Year Plan (pâÄa¦át¢èa¦á)pâÄs+íGö+GöüGö+

Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 4305	Posted - 2014.10.30 00:58:00 - [91] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Turning ADS into warpoint piniatas for skill less swarms is just a tad more than disrupting a play style lol. Never mind removing any AV potential from the Incubus. Rapid transport is rarely needed and almost always done better by an LAV befause easu to use AV with massive knock back makes extractions less than appealing. The problem is CCP has no idea what they want from ADS, and it shows. It's role it armed troop transport and mCRU mule. 1.9 is finally providing WP for mCRU spawns. That is the ADS role, not being able to destroy a third of the opposing team with impunity... My advice to you, playa...
DUST Fiend Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 14774	Posted - 2014.10.30 02:05:00 - [92] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Turning ADS into warpoint piniatas for skill less swarms is just a tad more than disrupting a play style lol. Never mind removing any AV potential from the Incubus. Rapid transport is rarely needed and almost always done better by an LAV befause easu to use AV with massive knock back makes extractions less than appealing. The problem is CCP has no idea what they want from ADS, and it shows. It's role it armed troop transport and mCRU mule. 1.9 is finally providing WP for mCRU spawns. That is the ADS role, not being able to destroy a third of the opposing team with impunity... MCRU were NEVER intended for ADS Bro, do you even lift? Off the ground that is. Probably not, given that AV can now destroy the opposing teams vehicles with impunity.... Ten Year Plan (pâÄa¦át¢èa¦á)pâÄs+íGö+GöüGö+
Ice Royal Glantix Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 13	Posted - 2014.10.30 02:14:00 - [93] - Quote I don't see the point of respecs, I feel money would be more well spent on boosters. Being able to earn close to 1mil sp a week unboosted means that it would take just over two weeks to get a suit from zero to proto. Give it a month and you can have a completely new prototype fit. This is before you factor in boosters, which can bring that sp per week up by 375k to 2.25mil. (One normal booster to three stacked omegas) But if you want to throw your money at CCP go right ahead, that just means we have a higher change of getting more content filled updates. "Don't be dead; be happy!"
DUST Fiend Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 14774	Posted - 2014.10.30 02:17:00 - [94] - Quote Ice Royal Glantix wrote: I don't see the point of respecs, I feel money would be more well spent on boosters. Being able to earn close to 1mil sp a week unboosted means that it would take just over two weeks to get a suit from zero to proto. Give it a month and you can have a completely new prototype fit. This is before you factor in boosters, which can bring that sp per week up by 375k to 2.25mil. (One normal booster to three stacked omegas) But if you want to throw your money at CCP go right ahead, that just means we have a higher change of getting more content filled updates. I have a ton of SP tied up in heavies and AV that I literally never use, it will be nice to get that SP back into the bank. **, I don'teven play and they already have an almost guaranteed sale from me haha Ten Year Plan (pâÄa¦át¢èa¦á)pâÄs+íGö+GöüGö+**
Ice Royal Glantix Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 13	Posted - 2014.10.30 02:21:00 - [95] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Ice Royal Glantix wrote: I don't see the point of respecs, I feel money would be more well spent on boosters. Being able to earn close to 1mil sp a week unboosted means that it would take just over two weeks to get a suit from zero to proto. Give it a month and you can have a completely new prototype fit. This is before you factor in boosters, which can bring that sp per week up by 375k to 2.25mil. (One normal booster to three stacked omegas) But if you want to throw your money at CCP go right ahead, that just means we have a higher change of getting more content filled updates. I have a ton of SP tied up in heavies and AV that I literally never use, it will be nice to get that SP back into the bank. ****, I don'teven play and they already have an almost guaranteed sale from me haha Fair enough, but I feel like your sp is never truly wasted, as at one point or another you will pull out the things you thought you would never use. But if you are not really playing the game, then I understand if you don't feel like grinding out the sp when you can just make a transaction and have millions of sp freed up. "Don't be dead; be happy!"
DUST Fiend Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 14775	Posted - 2014.10.30 02:22:00 - [96] - Quote Ice Royal Glantix wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Ice Royal Glantix wrote: I don't see the point of respecs, I feel money would be more well spent on boosters. Being able to earn close to 1mil sp a week unboosted means that it would take just over two weeks to get a suit from zero to proto. Give it a month and you can have a completely new prototype fit. This is before you factor in boosters, which can bring that sp per week up by 375k to 2.25mil. (One normal booster to three stacked omegas) But if you want to throw your money at CCP go right ahead, that just means we have a higher change of getting more content filled updates. I have a ton of SP tied up in heavies and AV that I literally never use, it will be nice to get that SP back into the bank. **, I don'teven play and they already have an almost guaranteed sale from me haha Fair enough, but I feel like your sp is never truly wasted, as at one point or another you will pull out the things you thought you would never use. But if you are not really playing the game, then I understand if you don't feel like grinding out the sp when you can just make a transaction and have millions of sp freed up. Ive had that SP allocated for a very long timr and literally never use it haha. I only play this game if im flying, and on the rare occassion, tanking. Things changed and I lost all desire to have anything to do with infantry Ten Year Plan (pâÄa¦át¢èa¦á)pâÄs+íGö+GöüGö+**
Kaughst Nyain San General Tso's Alliance 768	Posted - 2014.10.30 02:41:00 - [97] - Quote They have won the right to endlessly respec in their dirt empire that is called Dust 514...however do not expect that to happen in Legion. "Why do we fight?" "To win the war." "Meh... Works for me."
DUST Fiend Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 14775	Posted - 2014.10.30 03:32:00 - [98] - Quote Kaughst wrote: They have won the right to endlessly respec in their dirt empire that is called Dust 514...however do not expect that to happen in Legion. Legion is still barely a thought, And honestly, I'd expect that in Legion, Money is the name of the game, and they know that most players simply dont care. A small minority may cause a stink but it wont effecr their profits much, if at all. Ten Year Plan (pâÄa¦át¢èa¦á)pâÄs+íGö+GöüGö+


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