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DUST Fiend
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Posted - 2014.10.29 03:18:00 -
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We win
GG no RE
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DUST Fiend
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Posted - 2014.10.29 04:05:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:We win
GG no RE You left this game for Destiny. How did you win anything? *tries to pretend he doesn't fervently hope this is a sign his old ADS buddy will be back for more awesome adventures*
To be fair, I didn't leave "for" Destiny, I left because this game is a nightmare, Destiny just released around the same time. I have no ps3 or desire to use neutered ADS lol. I just saw the respec thing and laughed my ass off.
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DUST Fiend
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Posted - 2014.10.29 06:45:00 -
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No rematch.
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DUST Fiend
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Posted - 2014.10.29 18:01:00 -
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Apothecary Za'ki wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Mobius Wyvern wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:We win
GG no RE You left this game for Destiny. How did you win anything? *tries to pretend he doesn't fervently hope this is a sign his old ADS buddy will be back for more awesome adventures* To be fair, I didn't leave "for" Destiny, I left because this game is a nightmare, Destiny just released around the same time. I have no ps3 or desire to use neutered ADS lol. I just saw the respec thing and laughed my ass off. it wasnt neutered it had its Godmode ultimate-slayer-killer of anything moveing.. Title revoked. Only scrubs couldn't down an Incubus before. Now its virtually impossible to fail at killing one, and it lost the one thing that made it worth a damn in the first place: its AV potential.
If theres one thing Ratatti clearly still struggles to understand, its AV vs Vehicle balance.
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DUST Fiend
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Posted - 2014.10.29 18:11:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:If theres one thing Ratatti clearly still struggles to understand, its AV vs Vehicle balance. This is the first time in the game's history we've legitimately had any attempt at AV vs. Vehicle balance. ...........
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DUST Fiend
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Posted - 2014.10.29 18:52:00 -
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Vesta Opalus wrote:Michael Arck wrote:Soraya Xel wrote:Michael, Rattati's primary statistic for balance is not forum whining. You may wish to check the post he made today, it has pretty graphs and charts and explains a lot about the balance process. :) I didnt say anything about forum whining though when discussing Rattati. I read his post before, that he wishes to discourage FOTM by way of nerfing. In fact he has nerfed items before based on a high usage percentage. Paid respecs give way to tipping the balance even further. But thats not true. He has used high usage percentage as a starting point for investigating possible overpoweredness, but I'd like you to prove that hes using people using **** alot and just saying WELP LETS NERF IT. Saying "Oh thats funny, the rail rifle is being used like 30% of the time which is way more than any other rifle, lets look at the kill rate of the weapon compared to other rifles and other data and see if its outperforming everything else" is way different to just saying "Oh thats funny, the rail rifle is being used like 30% of the time, lets nerf it now without even investigating". I tend to hate on Ratatti and crew a lot, but this man speaks truth
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DUST Fiend
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Posted - 2014.10.29 19:38:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Soraya Xel wrote:Bright Cloud, I've heard this argument, but there is no logic to it. Just saying it repetitively does not make it true.
Every respec will cost money. (Exact cost not announced at current.) Players are not going to pay to switch fits every time the balance is changed when the difference in power is only a few percentage points, since the game is so much more balanced than it used to be, and SP gain will be so much higher. There's just no logic or sense in your statement. I think Bright Cloud is exaggerating at the scale at which people will get respec's but Cloud is still correct in that a substantial amount of people are likely to switch their skill points into the best rated gear for the moment. I still say it makes for a healthier environment in terms of game balancing. If a fit is actually OP and a player is a FoTM player, they are likely putting sp into that anyways. Respecs simply highlight these over performing options, and also provide an avenue of escape should the nerf hammer hit unreasonably hard.
I know people want this to be real life, but at the end of the day, games should be fun. If you arent having fun, then theres no reason to play.
I dont even play this game anymore but ill probably buy a respec just to get rid of all my infantry sp and save it
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DUST Fiend
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Posted - 2014.10.29 21:57:00 -
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jenza aranda wrote:Yes, you won. But they went with my idea :) To be fair, im fairly certain it was a lot of peoples idea.
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DUST Fiend
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Posted - 2014.10.30 00:48:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:Michael Arck wrote:That is a side opinion and it doesn't address what I'm saying. If the balance was true now even after all his work (no offense Rattati), Judge wouldn't be pissed about the ADS and nerf talks wouldn't still be happening on GD. You cannot obtain true balance. Its either players are going to suck it up or others are going to complain. That is always the case and for that reason alone, true balance will never be achieved. True balance is able to be achieved through constant monitoring of data and tweaking the game as needed. It's going to upset players who get comfortable with certain play styles (ADS, RR) then have that play style changed. If they are adults they will accept it as a necessary part of keeping the game healthy; they will either adapt to the balance or switch to a different fitting. Judge makes posts about the ADS because he got all warm and cozy in his 50 K/D genocide chariot, CCP discovered the overperformance of the ADS, and nerfed it accordingly. His play style has been disrupted. People don't like change. That has nothing to do with balance. It's just human nature. Important note: no, Dust being healthy isn't an opinion. CCP Rouge, "WeGÇÿre very happy to see that our player base remains both stable and active. In fact, we are currently seeing the highest engagement numbers in over a year, averaging around 300.000 Monthly Active (unique) Users over the last few months" Quoted from this devblog. Anecdotally, I squad with new mercs more often now and members of my own corporation are returning to Dust after all of the hotfixes. Someone I thought would NEVER return to Dust, if coming back after hearing about 1.9. Hell, even the forum feels a bit more active since the hotfixes. Turning ADS into warpoint piniatas for skill less swarms is just a tad more than disrupting a play style lol. Never mind removing any AV potential from the Incubus. Rapid transport is rarely needed and almost always done better by an LAV befause easu to use AV with massive knock back makes extractions less than appealing. The problem is CCP has no idea what they want from ADS, and it shows.
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DUST Fiend
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Posted - 2014.10.30 02:05:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Turning ADS into warpoint piniatas for skill less swarms is just a tad more than disrupting a play style lol. Never mind removing any AV potential from the Incubus. Rapid transport is rarely needed and almost always done better by an LAV befause easu to use AV with massive knock back makes extractions less than appealing. The problem is CCP has no idea what they want from ADS, and it shows. It's role it armed troop transport and mCRU mule. 1.9 is finally providing WP for mCRU spawns. That is the ADS role, not being able to destroy a third of the opposing team with impunity... MCRU were NEVER intended for ADS
Bro, do you even lift?
Off the ground that is. Probably not, given that AV can now destroy the opposing teams vehicles with impunity....
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DUST Fiend
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Posted - 2014.10.30 02:17:00 -
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Ice Royal Glantix wrote:I don't see the point of respecs, I feel money would be more well spent on boosters.
Being able to earn close to 1mil sp a week unboosted means that it would take just over two weeks to get a suit from zero to proto. Give it a month and you can have a completely new prototype fit. This is before you factor in boosters, which can bring that sp per week up by 375k to 2.25mil. (One normal booster to three stacked omegas)
But if you want to throw your money at CCP go right ahead, that just means we have a higher change of getting more content filled updates. I have a ton of SP tied up in heavies and AV that I literally never use, it will be nice to get that SP back into the bank. ****, I don'teven play and they already have an almost guaranteed sale from me haha
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DUST Fiend
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Posted - 2014.10.30 02:22:00 -
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Ice Royal Glantix wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Ice Royal Glantix wrote:I don't see the point of respecs, I feel money would be more well spent on boosters.
Being able to earn close to 1mil sp a week unboosted means that it would take just over two weeks to get a suit from zero to proto. Give it a month and you can have a completely new prototype fit. This is before you factor in boosters, which can bring that sp per week up by 375k to 2.25mil. (One normal booster to three stacked omegas)
But if you want to throw your money at CCP go right ahead, that just means we have a higher change of getting more content filled updates. I have a ton of SP tied up in heavies and AV that I literally never use, it will be nice to get that SP back into the bank. ****, I don'teven play and they already have an almost guaranteed sale from me haha Fair enough, but I feel like your sp is never truly wasted, as at one point or another you will pull out the things you thought you would never use. But if you are not really playing the game, then I understand if you don't feel like grinding out the sp when you can just make a transaction and have millions of sp freed up. Ive had that SP allocated for a very long timr and literally never use it haha. I only play this game if im flying, and on the rare occassion, tanking. Things changed and I lost all desire to have anything to do with infantry
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DUST Fiend
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Posted - 2014.10.30 03:32:00 -
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Kaughst wrote:They have won the right to endlessly respec in their dirt empire that is called Dust 514...however do not expect that to happen in Legion. Legion is still barely a thought, And honestly, I'd expect that in Legion, Money is the name of the game, and they know that most players simply dont care. A small minority may cause a stink but it wont effecr their profits much, if at all.
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