DUST Search - To Every Anti Respec Person Ever

Soraya Xel wrote:

Mobius Kaethis wrote:

Soraya Xel wrote:

Mobius Kaethis wrote:

KEROSIINI-TERO wrote:

No, this mean everybody loses.

Well, every dust player at least.

I can't help but agree. All that is happening is the switch from dust as a free to play game to a pay to win game.

Allowing players to redefine the skill points they have is hardly different than allowing players to earn additional skill points (via boosters) for AUR. And unlike the latter, this has a cost penalty to use it: You lose ISK every time you do it, since you don't get a full refund on skill books.

I am generally against respecs (particularly free ones with no penalty), but this isn't pay to win. CCP has done a good job avoiding that, and the CPM will help ensure they stay on point with that.

I disagree. Now I can pay AUR to move into the FOTM. That is the very essence of pay to win. I pay money, I win. Loosing ISK is of absolutely no concern.

You can also pre-stock skill points before a patch (plenty of notice) or buy a booster, and skill into the FOTM on patch/hotfix day. Without the additional penalties of a respec, or in some cases, the cost of buying anything at all.

If anything, respecs just allow people to either undo stupidity or commit new stupidity. IMHO. :)

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DUST Fiend Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 14746	Posted - 2014.10.29 03:18:00 - [1] - Quote We win GG no RE Ten Year Plan (pâÄa¦át¢èa¦á)pâÄs+íGö+GöüGö+
LT SHANKS Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 3698	Posted - 2014.10.29 03:46:00 - [2] - Quote We won! And wow, I haven't seen you post in a while. Have you been hiding?
Joel II X Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 4115	Posted - 2014.10.29 03:48:00 - [3] - Quote RE?
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2183	Posted - 2014.10.29 03:48:00 - [4] - Quote Gr8 b8 m8 i r8 it 8/8
Mobius Wyvern Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 5355	Posted - 2014.10.29 03:50:00 - [5] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: We win GG no RE You left this game for Destiny. How did you win anything? tries to pretend he doesn't fervently hope this is a sign his old ADS buddy will be back for more awesome adventures Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact Gentlemen's.Club 5675	Posted - 2014.10.29 03:59:00 - [6] - Quote It's after fanfest the long plan for dust no longer exists thats why the anti-respec people no longer care. i was against respecs because i was hopping dust would keep going down the originally planned concepts of open market, PVE, industry, EVE connection etc. Now the choices no longer matter as much so no reason to really care about the longevity and it's relation to respecs. I like the work they are putting into dust but it's not what i was hopping dust would be when they introduced it. Same reason i do not care that BPO's are released again because the long plan is no longer in existence. EVE 21 Day Trial Selling Templar BPO's
DUST Fiend Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 14749	Posted - 2014.10.29 04:05:00 - [7] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: We win GG no RE You left this game for Destiny. How did you win anything? tries to pretend he doesn't fervently hope this is a sign his old ADS buddy will be back for more awesome adventures To be fair, I didn't leave "for" Destiny, I left because this game is a nightmare, Destiny just released around the same time. I have no ps3 or desire to use neutered ADS lol. I just saw the respec thing and laughed my ass off. Ten Year Plan (pâÄa¦át¢èa¦á)pâÄs+íGö+GöüGö+
KEROSIINI-TERO The Rainbow Effect 1437	Posted - 2014.10.29 04:53:00 - [8] - Quote No, this mean everybody loses. Well, every dust player at least. People would enjoy Dust a lot more if they accepted the fact that EVERYTHING is subject to change
Cat Merc Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 12841	Posted - 2014.10.29 05:12:00 - [9] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: It's after fanfest the long plan for dust no longer exists thats why the anti-respec people no longer care. i was against respecs because i was hopping dust would keep going down the originally planned concepts of open market, PVE, industry, EVE connection etc. Now the choices no longer matter as much so no reason to really care about the longevity and it's relation to respecs. I like the work they are putting into dust but it's not what i was hopping dust would be when they introduced it. Same reason i do not care that BPO's are released again because the long plan is no longer in existence. Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC n+ÅS¦¦Gùò GÇ+GÇ+ GùòS¦¦n++
Immortal John Ripper 25287	Posted - 2014.10.29 05:21:00 - [10] - Quote To every pro-respec guy out there. You are welcome. I have been diagnosed with "TED" - Taco Eating Disorder. I can't stop eating tacos. Best Disorder Ever

DUST Fiend Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 14749	Posted - 2014.10.29 06:45:00 - [11] - Quote Joel II X wrote: RE? No rematch. Ten Year Plan (pâÄa¦át¢èa¦á)pâÄs+íGö+GöüGö+
Mobius Kaethis Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1986	Posted - 2014.10.29 06:48:00 - [12] - Quote KEROSIINI-TERO wrote: No, this mean everybody loses. Well, every dust player at least. I can't help but agree. All that is happening is the switch from dust as a free to play game to a pay to win game. Now with more evil.
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 4421	Posted - 2014.10.29 06:52:00 - [13] - Quote Mobius Kaethis wrote: KEROSIINI-TERO wrote: No, this mean everybody loses. Well, every dust player at least. I can't help but agree. All that is happening is the switch from dust as a free to play game to a pay to win game. Allowing players to redefine the skill points they have is hardly different than allowing players to earn additional skill points (via boosters) for AUR. And unlike the latter, this has a cost penalty to use it: You lose ISK every time you do it, since you don't get a full refund on skill books. I am generally against respecs (particularly free ones with no penalty), but this isn't pay to win. CCP has done a good job avoiding that, and the CPM will help ensure they stay on point with that. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
TechMechMeds KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 6167	Posted - 2014.10.29 06:54:00 - [14] - Quote Signed +1.........oh we got it. Win!. I am GJR's Renfield lol My favourite BAND '14 days till Maine' Their album - 28 days till maine.
Mobius Kaethis Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1987	Posted - 2014.10.29 06:55:00 - [15] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Mobius Kaethis wrote: KEROSIINI-TERO wrote: No, this mean everybody loses. Well, every dust player at least. I can't help but agree. All that is happening is the switch from dust as a free to play game to a pay to win game. Allowing players to redefine the skill points they have is hardly different than allowing players to earn additional skill points (via boosters) for AUR. And unlike the latter, this has a cost penalty to use it: You lose ISK every time you do it, since you don't get a full refund on skill books. I am generally against respecs (particularly free ones with no penalty), but this isn't pay to win. CCP has done a good job avoiding that, and the CPM will help ensure they stay on point with that. I disagree. Now I can pay AUR to move into the FOTM. That is the very essence of pay to win. I pay money, I win. Loosing ISK is of absolutely no concern. Now with more evil.
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 4421	Posted - 2014.10.29 06:58:00 - [16] - Quote Mobius Kaethis wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: Mobius Kaethis wrote: KEROSIINI-TERO wrote: No, this mean everybody loses. Well, every dust player at least. I can't help but agree. All that is happening is the switch from dust as a free to play game to a pay to win game. Allowing players to redefine the skill points they have is hardly different than allowing players to earn additional skill points (via boosters) for AUR. And unlike the latter, this has a cost penalty to use it: You lose ISK every time you do it, since you don't get a full refund on skill books. I am generally against respecs (particularly free ones with no penalty), but this isn't pay to win. CCP has done a good job avoiding that, and the CPM will help ensure they stay on point with that. I disagree. Now I can pay AUR to move into the FOTM. That is the very essence of pay to win. I pay money, I win. Loosing ISK is of absolutely no concern. You can also pre-stock skill points before a patch (plenty of notice) or buy a booster, and skill into the FOTM on patch/hotfix day. Without the additional penalties of a respec, or in some cases, the cost of buying anything at all. If anything, respecs just allow people to either undo stupidity or commit new stupidity. IMHO. :) CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Pvt Numnutz Prophets of the Velocirapture 1890	Posted - 2014.10.29 07:02:00 - [17] - Quote Hurray! Bolt pistols for everyone! Master Skyshark rider Kaalaka dakka tamer
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution 8148	Posted - 2014.10.29 07:10:00 - [18] - Quote Pvt Numnutz wrote: Hurray! Bolt pistols for everyone! Bolt Pistols have been "fixed" CCP holds the Caldari's hand so this doesn't happen again.
Spectral Clone Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 2943	Posted - 2014.10.29 07:19:00 - [19] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: We win GG no RE ^ What he said. Now, take my f*cking money CCP. Fix mouse support in Dust 514! How to do it: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=965407#post965407
Mobius Kaethis Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1988	Posted - 2014.10.29 07:37:00 - [20] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Mobius Kaethis wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: Mobius Kaethis wrote: KEROSIINI-TERO wrote: No, this mean everybody loses. Well, every dust player at least. I can't help but agree. All that is happening is the switch from dust as a free to play game to a pay to win game. Allowing players to redefine the skill points they have is hardly different than allowing players to earn additional skill points (via boosters) for AUR. And unlike the latter, this has a cost penalty to use it: You lose ISK every time you do it, since you don't get a full refund on skill books. I am generally against respecs (particularly free ones with no penalty), but this isn't pay to win. CCP has done a good job avoiding that, and the CPM will help ensure they stay on point with that. I disagree. Now I can pay AUR to move into the FOTM. That is the very essence of pay to win. I pay money, I win. Loosing ISK is of absolutely no concern. You can also pre-stock skill points before a patch (plenty of notice) or buy a booster, and skill into the FOTM on patch/hotfix day. Without the additional penalties of a respec, or in some cases, the cost of buying anything at all. If anything, respecs just allow people to either undo stupidity or commit new stupidity. IMHO. :) I have no problem undoing foolish new player mistakes. The skilling is a bit complex and they are bound to happen. But that should be a built in option players get at 5 mil sp or so. By making this a respec for real world currency people are able to pay money to gain an advantage in the game. Sure you can plan for it by banking sp, which does the same thing but you also don't have the benefit of those SP while you're holding them. By buying your respec you don't have that disadvantage. You have essentially no disadvantage since your FOTM fit will earn you isk. Before you say it yes boosters also are real money for an in game advantage but that advantage comes with serious time investments to really make it pay out. The respec system they are implementing does none of that. There is no work, there is no downside. You have money, you pay it to CCP, you win. That is what they have reduced this game to and I am saddened by it. Now with more evil.

Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 17540	Posted - 2014.10.29 07:50:00 - [21] - Quote Really? I thought a faction of the anti speccers won because there won't be any more free ones on the grounds of 'just because' and that the effort being put into these items would pay for the efforts. CPM 1 Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= Prototype Forge Gun=// Unlocked
Lady MDK Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 159	Posted - 2014.10.29 08:05:00 - [22] - Quote Yeah better find out how much it will cost before you start gloating about it. Anyone getting annoyed by reading of the above post should consider the following. I don't care so neither should you :)
Bright Cloud Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 453	Posted - 2014.10.29 08:08:00 - [23] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: We win GG no RE CCP didnt implemented it due to the communitys sake. They are doing it to get money out of it hence why you need to spend AUR on it. Everything is now more aligned to get money out of the players pocket. -tons of BPO's -tripple stacking boosters -spend AUR on the market agent and you can get 15% more ISK for selling items -AUR respecs (still curious how much they will charge for that) CCP basically is now a opportunist. They see whiners wanting something and then shortly later they throw it into the game with a nice pricetag. I would had agreed with you if there was aswell a option to get a respec for like 50mil ISK but AUR only is dissapointing. Bright is the opposite of dark! Who would have thought of that?!
Stupid Blueberry Wirykomi Wolf Pack 536	Posted - 2014.10.29 09:37:00 - [24] - Quote AUR respecs are a buff to newbies - NJ ccp. Chillin, waitin on Legion. Ishukone loyalist, Caldari Scout enthusiast!
Stupid Blueberry Wirykomi Wolf Pack 536	Posted - 2014.10.29 09:38:00 - [25] - Quote Bright Cloud wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: We win GG no RE CCP didnt implemented it due to the communitys sake. They are doing it to get money out of it hence why you need to spend AUR on it. Everything is now more aligned to get money out of the players pocket. -tons of BPO's -tripple stacking boosters -spend AUR on the market agent and you can get 15% more ISK for selling items -AUR respecs (still curious how much they will charge for that) CCP basically is now a opportunist. They see whiners wanting something and then shortly later they throw it into the game with a nice pricetag. I would had agreed with you if there was aswell a option to get a respec for like 50mil ISK but AUR only is dissapointing. You could always quit playing the *free* game. Chillin, waitin on Legion. Ishukone loyalist, Caldari Scout enthusiast!
Dust User KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 917	Posted - 2014.10.29 10:54:00 - [26] - Quote Bright Cloud wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: We win GG no RE CCP didnt implemented it due to the communitys sake. They are doing it to get money out of it hence why you need to spend AUR on it. Everything is now more aligned to get money out of the players pocket. -tons of BPO's -tripple stacking boosters -spend AUR on the market agent and you can get 15% more ISK for selling items -AUR respecs (still curious how much they will charge for that) CCP basically is now a opportunist. They see whiners wanting something and then shortly later they throw it into the game with a nice pricetag. I would had agreed with you if there was aswell a option to get a respec for like 50mil ISK but AUR only is dissapointing. Shame on them for making money, and here I was thinking that was the whole point of a business. At least we didn't have to pay $60 up front and the game still be broken like most are these days.
Tech De Ra Electronic Sports League 978	Posted - 2014.10.29 10:56:00 - [27] - Quote Enjoy paying top dollah to get your respec and then find out you're still shite at the game Prime League champion SGL Sidearm champion Fanfest '14 All star champion
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency 5641	Posted - 2014.10.29 11:16:00 - [28] - Quote All I know is I have 0 amount of money in this game. Put your flags up in the sky. And wave them side to side. Show the world where you're from. Show the world we are one.
Evolution-7 The Rainbow Effect 665	Posted - 2014.10.29 11:43:00 - [29] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: We win GG no RE Only done because CCP need the dosh super bad. *EVE: LEGION ON PS4* RIP DUST. So much potential, December 2011 to May 2014 Veteran Pilot, Fight on and fly on!
castba Merc-0107 628	Posted - 2014.10.29 11:49:00 - [30] - Quote Bright Cloud wrote: [quote=DUST Fiend]We win -tripple stacking boosters Expecting an omega booster sale just prior to another Million Clone Challenge. "When everything is OP, nothing is" - CCP Ratatti



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