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Posted - 2014.10.29 06:52:00 -
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Mobius Kaethis wrote:KEROSIINI-TERO wrote:No, this mean everybody loses.
Well, every dust player at least. I can't help but agree. All that is happening is the switch from dust as a free to play game to a pay to win game.
Allowing players to redefine the skill points they have is hardly different than allowing players to earn additional skill points (via boosters) for AUR. And unlike the latter, this has a cost penalty to use it: You lose ISK every time you do it, since you don't get a full refund on skill books.
I am generally against respecs (particularly free ones with no penalty), but this isn't pay to win. CCP has done a good job avoiding that, and the CPM will help ensure they stay on point with that.
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Posted - 2014.10.29 06:58:00 -
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Mobius Kaethis wrote:Soraya Xel wrote:Mobius Kaethis wrote:KEROSIINI-TERO wrote:No, this mean everybody loses.
Well, every dust player at least. I can't help but agree. All that is happening is the switch from dust as a free to play game to a pay to win game. Allowing players to redefine the skill points they have is hardly different than allowing players to earn additional skill points (via boosters) for AUR. And unlike the latter, this has a cost penalty to use it: You lose ISK every time you do it, since you don't get a full refund on skill books. I am generally against respecs (particularly free ones with no penalty), but this isn't pay to win. CCP has done a good job avoiding that, and the CPM will help ensure they stay on point with that. I disagree. Now I can pay AUR to move into the FOTM. That is the very essence of pay to win. I pay money, I win. Loosing ISK is of absolutely no concern.
You can also pre-stock skill points before a patch (plenty of notice) or buy a booster, and skill into the FOTM on patch/hotfix day. Without the additional penalties of a respec, or in some cases, the cost of buying anything at all.
If anything, respecs just allow people to either undo stupidity or commit new stupidity. IMHO. :)
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Posted - 2014.10.29 14:08:00 -
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Mobius Kaethis wrote:How does that reduce the pay to win aspect or the homogenizing effect this will have on the battlefield?
There is no pay to win aspect. And good game balance will prevent homogenization on the battlefield.
The fact that people get more SP over time does more to create homogenization on the battlefield than a respec ever will. (I have almost every weapon skilled up now, for instance.)
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Posted - 2014.10.29 14:36:00 -
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True enough.
Okay, good game balance... combined with the cost of the respec which will likely make it not worth it for very small gains in benefit.
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Posted - 2014.10.29 15:25:00 -
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Bright Cloud, I've heard this argument, but there is no logic to it. Just saying it repetitively does not make it true.
Every respec will cost money. (Exact cost not announced at current.) Players are not going to pay to switch fits every time the balance is changed when the difference in power is only a few percentage points, since the game is so much more balanced than it used to be, and SP gain will be so much higher. There's just no logic or sense in your statement.
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Posted - 2014.10.29 15:44:00 -
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Time limits were definitely discussed. Note that respeccing every week would steadily eat their ISK, and Rattati is aggressively pursuing nerfs to FOTMs. I think boosters (particularly with their new ability to stack) should generally be a smarter choice for people wishing to spec into new things frequently as well, and help mitigate the benefits of frequent respec use.
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Posted - 2014.10.29 15:52:00 -
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Michael, what is the current FOTM? How much stronger is it than the next strongest fit?
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Posted - 2014.10.29 16:06:00 -
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Michael Arck wrote:There is no such thing as true balance. It cannot be achieved because few are good with a controller and majority are not. If a player masters his weapon loadout, then he is penalized for "true balance" which basically means, "you're too good at what you do and we must nerf the loadout to compensate for others" Yet this is the conundrum. Once he moves on to something else, the nerf bat will swing again.
So we should do away with saying "true balance" or "perfect balance". Dust 514 stalled in growth because of many reasons, one being the hunt for "true balance". It simply cannot be obtained unless we're implementing microchips into Dust players brains to keep them at even keel. Alas, we are caught in a whirlwind of nerfs and buffs.
Perfect balance is impossible to achieve, and nerfs and buffs will always happen. I agree. However, balance has come much closer than it used to be. Differences between over- and under- performing fits will be smaller, and balance changes should be more nuanced. This, combined with higher SP gain, and an AUR cost on the respec, should greatly reduce both the appeal and effectiveness of respecs.
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Posted - 2014.10.29 16:11:00 -
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Michael, Rattati's primary statistic for balance is not forum whining. You may wish to check the post he made today, it has pretty graphs and charts and explains a lot about the balance process. :)
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Posted - 2014.10.29 18:08:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:If theres one thing Ratatti clearly still struggles to understand, its AV vs Vehicle balance.
This is the first time in the game's history we've legitimately had any attempt at AV vs. Vehicle balance.
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Posted - 2014.10.29 22:24:00 -
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Man, if everyone could be happy at the same time........
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