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Mobius Kaethis
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
1986
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Posted - 2014.10.29 06:48:00 -
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KEROSIINI-TERO wrote:No, this mean everybody loses.
Well, every dust player at least.
I can't help but agree. All that is happening is the switch from dust as a free to play game to a pay to win game.
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Mobius Kaethis
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
1987
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Posted - 2014.10.29 06:55:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:Mobius Kaethis wrote:KEROSIINI-TERO wrote:No, this mean everybody loses.
Well, every dust player at least. I can't help but agree. All that is happening is the switch from dust as a free to play game to a pay to win game. Allowing players to redefine the skill points they have is hardly different than allowing players to earn additional skill points (via boosters) for AUR. And unlike the latter, this has a cost penalty to use it: You lose ISK every time you do it, since you don't get a full refund on skill books. I am generally against respecs (particularly free ones with no penalty), but this isn't pay to win. CCP has done a good job avoiding that, and the CPM will help ensure they stay on point with that.
I disagree. Now I can pay AUR to move into the FOTM. That is the very essence of pay to win. I pay money, I win. Loosing ISK is of absolutely no concern.
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Mobius Kaethis
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
1988
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Posted - 2014.10.29 07:37:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:Mobius Kaethis wrote:Soraya Xel wrote:Mobius Kaethis wrote:KEROSIINI-TERO wrote:No, this mean everybody loses.
Well, every dust player at least. I can't help but agree. All that is happening is the switch from dust as a free to play game to a pay to win game. Allowing players to redefine the skill points they have is hardly different than allowing players to earn additional skill points (via boosters) for AUR. And unlike the latter, this has a cost penalty to use it: You lose ISK every time you do it, since you don't get a full refund on skill books. I am generally against respecs (particularly free ones with no penalty), but this isn't pay to win. CCP has done a good job avoiding that, and the CPM will help ensure they stay on point with that. I disagree. Now I can pay AUR to move into the FOTM. That is the very essence of pay to win. I pay money, I win. Loosing ISK is of absolutely no concern. You can also pre-stock skill points before a patch (plenty of notice) or buy a booster, and skill into the FOTM on patch/hotfix day. Without the additional penalties of a respec, or in some cases, the cost of buying anything at all. If anything, respecs just allow people to either undo stupidity or commit new stupidity. IMHO. :)
I have no problem undoing foolish new player mistakes. The skilling is a bit complex and they are bound to happen. But that should be a built in option players get at 5 mil sp or so.
By making this a respec for real world currency people are able to pay money to gain an advantage in the game. Sure you can plan for it by banking sp, which does the same thing but you also don't have the benefit of those SP while you're holding them. By buying your respec you don't have that disadvantage. You have essentially no disadvantage since your FOTM fit will earn you isk.
Before you say it yes boosters also are real money for an in game advantage but that advantage comes with serious time investments to really make it pay out. The respec system they are implementing does none of that. There is no work, there is no downside. You have money, you pay it to CCP, you win. That is what they have reduced this game to and I am saddened by it.
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Mobius Kaethis
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
1988
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Posted - 2014.10.29 13:29:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Really?
I thought a faction of the anti speccers won because there won't be any more free ones on the grounds of 'just because' and that the effort being put into these items would pay for the efforts.
How does that reduce the pay to win aspect or the homogenizing effect this will have on the battlefield? Did no one on the CPM mention either of these outcomes?
I am all for CCP making money. The more they make the longer I get to shoot face. This will have too many negatives to be worth the trade off though.
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Mobius Kaethis
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
1992
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Posted - 2014.10.29 22:12:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:True enough.
Okay, good game balance... combined with the cost of the respec which will likely make it not worth it for very small gains in benefit.
That is probably a fair assessment. I will concede but I am, as previously stated, displeased about this turn.
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