Yes, and you were sitting in a place no one could kill you without counter sniping or committing suicide. You care about your precious KDR. "I want to kill without having to worry about being killed back." Bravo to you.

I'm somewhat in agreement with Commander Bolt. However, there is a point to redlines for spawning in at least to get feet on the ground and getting bearings. However, we can make some improvements to the redline. All clones should have a 1 minute timer that doesn't reset per clone life. Once s/he enters the redline, there is 1 minute in the redline total. After 1 minute, you die just like if you were in the enemy's redline. If you leave after 30 seconds, when you enter again you only get 30 seconds on your timer. This will help cut down on people sitting in the redline for the entire match without any reason to leave. When you die and respawn, you get one minute again to get out of the redline and get into the field of battle.

FYI, before you start jumping on me about not knowing what I'm talking about, Open Beta vet and I've been a Sniper off and on for that entire time. Get into the action and take some risks. Oh, and FYI, I've had plenty of those 400 and 500 + meter kills as well. About 2 kills a match doing that. Get up closer and start picking people off at 150-200 meters. You'll see your scope a lot clearer, enemies will take up more of the scope (i.e. easier to hit), and your kill count will increase. Will you die more? That depends on if you are sitting in one place the entire match, sitting in an obvious spot where you stand out like a sore thumb, or if you are doing what you should be doing: Shoot, Move, and Communicate.

I want to agree with you on the mobility of a sniper, but if you've got a nice spot - you shouldn't leave unless you've been spotted. Killing someone shouldn't give away my position, but with a 300m range it absolutely does. It takes the art out of sniping. A good sniper can change the course a battlefield. A quick-scoping, CS:GO/CS 1.6 migrant - is playing the game's mechanics and not playing the game.

CCP give me my range back.

Because in a real warzone, I wouldn't be able to get my rilfe to kill you if I could see you with the scope attached to it, right?

If I can snipe someone from the Redline, is that not marksmanship?

All of a sudden, people who weren't out of my range are now not even registering on my scope... wtf CCP?

1.9 will also include an increase in the duration of sniper rifle bullet trails

Sniping is no longer a risk-free activity in Dust.

Best of luck and maybe we'll run into each other in game and we can play a game of hide and seek

Because in a real warzone you have bullet drop. This limiting factor is not present in dust so it is compensated for via effective range. Think of it as the bullet losing so much velocity that even if it were to hit the target it would do 0 damage. We are wearing armored/shielded suits afterall.

Add to that the human eye can see for miles -- scope not required. Doesn't mean a bullet can go that far....

Yea, seems like they are catering to the 10 year olds who spend their mommies money and cry on the forums, because they have no savvy when it comes to wargames. I was getting head-shot kills without the need increase so thanks but no thanks.. Also, bullet trails being in creased in duration.. so much for not giving away your position with each shot, eh? Sometimes it feels like CCP is purposely pushing people away form Dust.




You've been added to the kill list... best of luck.



I'm not firing a pistol at 400m, I'm firing a long range weapon. Bullet drop should have no affect if your head is larger than my sights and I can tell what class of solider you are and what type of suit youre wearing.

Hi IRL here
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/41/Boomerang_3_Gunfire_Acoustic_Detection_System_MOD_45153048.jpg

This here can pinpoint a sniper after the first shot giving his position away instantly

Combined with this with tactical networks and I can have a shell on your head within minutes; maybe seconds if we start using the railguns instead at mach 15. So the idea that the suit has enough of a sensor platform in the far future to ID incomming fire is not far fetched at all.

Secondly Defenses of suits can be explained more akin to this http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120328105511/callofduty/images/a/a3/Trophy_System_menu_icon_MW3.png while currently there is no version of this as most are vehicle mounted this shot deflector works wonders on stopping armor pericers getting an optimal shot in. Imagine your armor doing that on the dropsuit for every kind of incomming projectile?

Also lowest max range is 350 not 300; the weapons with 300 meter ranges are forge guns and railgun tanks. Snipers are alone past the 300 range.

You've been added to the kill list... best of luck.

For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction
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Too lazy to click the image, its called a silencer. I'd imagine that these too get more advanced as the technology improves.



Isn't that your shield? It takes energy to stop energy, eventually your on-board energy will deplete.

I'm not firing a pistol at 400m, I'm firing a long range weapon. Bullet drop should have no affect if your head is larger than my sights and I can tell what class of solider you are and what type of suit youre wearing.

The 400 meter range is false. Yeaterday I got a 450 meter head shot.

here is a question Iron Wolf Saber. what suit can live though a head shot from a charge sniper rifle on a proto caldari commando using 3 damage mods and level 5 proficiency on sniper rifles?

caldari / max shield 947 and 636 armor - they can not use any over 3 pg for weapons.
Minnie / max shield 730 and 872 armor - they only have 7 pg left for weapons.
gallente / max shield 488 and 1144 armor - 12 pg left which is enough to use good weapons.
amarr / max shield 523 and 1344 armor - 17 pg left for good weapons.
so who would live? any of them or all?

Amarr and Gallente Sentinel Maxi Fits are two that I know of. There might be a few more edge cases

Oh sweet... thanks for cosigning that CCP should turn Dust into Counter-Strike.

Aim fast,.. ha, sounds like luck to me sir.. Also, the art of sniping is tracking your target and finding perfect spots. You obviously, have no knowledge to draw upon. Not everyone likes run, shoot, run, shoot, If we wanted that we'd migrate to the millions of other fps out there.

HERE IS THE ANSWER

they all live 16 armor on the Caldari & Minnie. however with so low pg if they would take off 1 shield or drop it to adv they both die.
gallente lives with 238 armor however takes off both shields and puts on a damage mods equal lives with 62 armor.
amarr lives with 261 armor but takes off the one shield for damage mods equals lives with 121 armor. lol

so your right but how many full shield/armor heavies do you see? most run damage mods and armor repper on even with a logi.

The 400 meter range is false. Yeaterday I got a 450 meter head shot.

What suit was the cranberry wearing? I'll bet a pretty penny that they were either running militia anything or a scout suit.

My 445 kill yesterday was a sentinel; single shot to the head.

The point is that I recommend that choice to remain instead of having no choice but to die.

The original set of numbers CCP purposed were so high they would have one body shotted the average medium suit as well and had to reel them back by a fair margin.

All of a sudden, people who weren't out of my range are now not even registering on my scope... wtf CCP?

I used to be one of those like you, spouting off real world statistics and arguing about the 1000 Meter sniper shots and we are in the future so it should be even better. Then I came to a realization; this is a video game, and if that was put into place, it would completely suck the fun and enjoyment out of 80% of the playerbase because at that point, there would be ABSOLUTELY no way to counteract that..

Video games don't use real world physics. They are manipulated to fit the needs of the game mechanics. This is why scouts can run forever in a day and can jump the equivalent of 10 meters when a Sentinel is slow as molasses and can't jump over a fallen branch (ya know, if there were trees).

You have never fired a sniper rifle have you. Trust me -- they really don't work like they do in Dust....

But let's step outside of the realism of range argument and look at the discussion as a whole.

Yes -- even by modern standards 400 meters isn't THAT far. But we have to consider how many real world physics are suspended. Take stamina -- those targets that are running, jumping and zigzagging can only do so for so long. But in real life a soldier, in a full kit (which is very VERY heavy), completely lacking the powered assisted movement that clone suits offer, can sprint much farther much longer and jump many more times before they can't anymore.

To make gameplay viable CCP created a stamina mechanic that violates how humans actually work practically. Would you want to snipe targets when they can all sprint, jump, etc CONSTANTLY as much as they please?

Basically we have a few suspended reality mechanics in this game. Changing reality mechanics for just ONE class while leaving everyone else limited by suspended reality makes that one class have an unfair advantage. The red line is a perfect example. The fact you have magic forcefield is absolutely silly in terms of realism. So asking for a realistic change for your offense while maintaining your magicpants defense is, of course, a bit unfair. Or the fact only your eyes have to poke over a hill to snipe -- and not the WHOLE GUN like in real life.

We, non snipers, have accepted some suspended reality mechanics that help you snipers out. Please accept some suspended reality mechanics that help us targets out to keep it fair.

If I can snipe someone from the Redline, is that not marksmanship?

Nope. Its faggotry of the highest order and must be stahpt!

Says the 12yr old who's probably cruising the battlefield as a shotgun scout or in a Madrugar