DUST Search - Breach AR is overperforming compared to normal AR

Cat Merc wrote:

Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:

CCP Rattati wrote:

The Breach is the only one in the Gallente family that is close to the rest of the Rail/Combat and Scramblers. Even the burst AR, which I think is incredible, I use it a lot now, is just not picking up stats wise on the battleground. Even the TAR isn't that great, but that one is actually picking up but not really competitive.

Burst AR is amazing and I <3 it a lot. I started using it after you sang its praises on the forums as well.

So... Really?
The breach remains superior to the base assault variant, even if the class as a whole is underperforming. If all plasma rifles are a concern, what if the assault had an increased clip size or something to give it an advantage over the breach?

Would honestly still stick with the breach.
At this point increasing the clip size won't affect their performance that much.

The breach can APPLY its DPS excellently, while the Assault variant loses much of it.
I would increase the DPS on the Assault by 6% or so, but that's just my opinion.

EVE Online is what you get when engineers attempt to create "fun" without consulting someone who comprehends the word.

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Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 18436	Posted - 2014.10.25 11:10:00 - [1] - Quote Relative to the rest of the ARs, the breach variant is overperforming - particularly when compared to the base assault variant. Here's a comparison of the CreoDron Breach and the Duvolle: Breach: 456.7 DPS 2300 damage per clip 5 second firing time per clip Tighter hipfire cone Assault: 453.2 DPS 2040 damage per clip 4.5 second firing time per clip Wider hipfire cone Both have equal ranges, equal damage profiles, etc, so these are the main differences. The problem is that they're not actually that different. The breach is flat out superior to the assault variant. Other than the major hipfire advantage the advantages it has are slight but they -are- advantages and as a result the breach is becoming noticeably more popular than the standard variant. I have a proposal - reduce the clip size on the breach AR. That way, the assault variant is better suited to drawn out assaults than the breach and there is a reason to pick either one, instead of defaulting to one. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake. GM Scotsman is my hero.
Cat Merc Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 12791	Posted - 2014.10.25 11:22:00 - [2] - Quote Honestly, I feel like the Breach is exactly where it needs to be. It behaves like a proper Gallente weapon - Extremely painful within its range The Duvolle doesn't feel there yet to me when comparing to other weapons, probably because the Breach is more accurate, allowing you to effectively apply more DPS than the Duvolle allows you to. Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC n+ÅS¦¦Gùò GÇ+GÇ+ GùòS¦¦n++
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 3966	Posted - 2014.10.25 11:42:00 - [3] - Quote Gallente default weapon should always have been the breach. Caldari default profile should always have been the assault. The idiotic balancing problems we have with the AR and RR would clear up quick. EVE Online is what you get when engineers attempt to create "fun" without consulting someone who comprehends the word.
TooMany Names AlreadyTaken Going for the gold 217	Posted - 2014.10.25 11:42:00 - [4] - Quote The Assault Rifles of ALL types have become extremely overpowered, just look at the DPS! That moment when you mow down a proto Caldari assault suit with a militia laser rifle. Words can't describe it.
BL4CKST4R La Muerte Eterna Dark Taboo 3232	Posted - 2014.10.25 12:05:00 - [5] - Quote I think even if the breach was 100% carbon copy of the AR in stats it would still outperform it. supercalifragilisticexpialidocious
BL4CKST4R La Muerte Eterna Dark Taboo 3232	Posted - 2014.10.25 12:06:00 - [6] - Quote TooMany Names AlreadyTaken wrote: The Assault Rifles of ALL types have become extremely overpowered, just look at the DPS! You must be new here. I would explain to you why I disagree but I don't care. supercalifragilisticexpialidocious

CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 9230	Posted - 2014.10.25 12:12:00 - [7] - Quote The Breach is the only one in the Gallente family that is close to the rest of the Rail/Combat and Scramblers. Even the burst AR, which I think is incredible, I use it a lot now, is just not picking up stats wise on the battleground. Even the TAR isn't that great, but that one is actually picking up but not really competitive. "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

BL4CKST4R La Muerte Eterna Dark Taboo 3233	Posted - 2014.10.25 12:16:00 - [8] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: The Breach is the only one in the Gallente family that is close to the rest of the Rail/Combat and Scramblers. Even the burst AR, which I think is incredible, I use it a lot now, is just not picking up stats wise on the battleground. Even the TAR isn't that great, but that one is actually picking up but not really competitive. We need more range or more DPS for the non competing variants. Nothing for the breach, except matching it against the aRR for about 420-410 DPS, at 60M and a fix involving increasing DPS via rof and modulating damage per shot. supercalifragilisticexpialidocious
Cavani1EE7 Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 348	Posted - 2014.10.25 12:38:00 - [9] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: The Breach is the only one in the Gallente family that is close to the rest of the Rail/Combat and Scramblers. Even the burst AR, which I think is incredible, I use it a lot now, is just not picking up stats wise on the battleground. Even the TAR isn't that great, but that one is actually picking up but not really competitive. Burst FTW Take a bow
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 18441	Posted - 2014.10.25 12:44:00 - [10] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: The Breach is the only one in the Gallente family that is close to the rest of the Rail/Combat and Scramblers. Even the burst AR, which I think is incredible, I use it a lot now, is just not picking up stats wise on the battleground. Even the TAR isn't that great, but that one is actually picking up but not really competitive. Burst AR is amazing and I <3 it a lot. I started using it after you sang its praises on the forums as well. So... Really? The breach remains superior to the base assault variant, even if the class as a whole is underperforming. If all plasma rifles are a concern, what if the assault had an increased clip size or something to give it an advantage over the breach? You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake. GM Scotsman is my hero.

Cat Merc Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 12793	Posted - 2014.10.25 12:56:00 - [11] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: The Breach is the only one in the Gallente family that is close to the rest of the Rail/Combat and Scramblers. Even the burst AR, which I think is incredible, I use it a lot now, is just not picking up stats wise on the battleground. Even the TAR isn't that great, but that one is actually picking up but not really competitive. Burst AR is amazing and I <3 it a lot. I started using it after you sang its praises on the forums as well. So... Really? The breach remains superior to the base assault variant, even if the class as a whole is underperforming. If all plasma rifles are a concern, what if the assault had an increased clip size or something to give it an advantage over the breach? Would honestly still stick with the breach. At this point increasing the clip size won't affect their performance that much. The breach can APPLY its DPS excellently, while the Assault variant loses much of it. I would increase the DPS on the Assault by 6% or so, but that's just my opinion. Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC n+ÅS¦¦Gùò GÇ+GÇ+ GùòS¦¦n++
Zindorak G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 1146	Posted - 2014.10.25 13:21:00 - [12] - Quote Which AR should i use on my Gal Scout. Iv'e been thinking burst assault or breach Pokemon master and Tekken Lord Gk0 Scout yay :)
PLAYSTTION GamersForChrist 238	Posted - 2014.10.25 13:47:00 - [13] - Quote I think its pretty balanced right now, i have no problem using assault or breach, but the rest of the ARs are not very good, i never use them. 44/4 in a BPO Scout (1.8) 40/5 in a Proto Assault (1.7) `- Open Beta Vet - 30.5mil sp -` R.I.P. Dust 514
PLAYSTTION GamersForChrist 238	Posted - 2014.10.25 13:47:00 - [14] - Quote Zindorak wrote: Which AR should i use on my Gal Scout. Iv'e been thinking burst assault or breach Breach!!! 44/4 in a BPO Scout (1.8) 40/5 in a Proto Assault (1.7) `- Open Beta Vet - 30.5mil sp -` R.I.P. Dust 514
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 3968	Posted - 2014.10.25 13:49:00 - [15] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: The Breach is the only one in the Gallente family that is close to the rest of the Rail/Combat and Scramblers. Even the burst AR, which I think is incredible, I use it a lot now, is just not picking up stats wise on the battleground. Even the TAR isn't that great, but that one is actually picking up but not really competitive. Burst AR is amazing and I <3 it a lot. I started using it after you sang its praises on the forums as well. So... Really? The breach remains superior to the base assault variant, even if the class as a whole is underperforming. If all plasma rifles are a concern, what if the assault had an increased clip size or something to give it an advantage over the breach? Would honestly still stick with the breach. At this point increasing the clip size won't affect their performance that much. The breach can APPLY its DPS excellently, while the Assault variant loses much of it. I would increase the DPS on the Assault by 6% or so, but that's just my opinion. This is why I say alpha is better in CQC. Each hit counts for more so if someone does the inertia glitch you still have a chance to kill them. DPS weapons with wider dispersion make it impossible to inertia glitch past 30m because the dispersion will catch someone dodging in it easily and apply damage anyway. I'm probably explaining this badly but recoil is valuable I CQC and dispersion is valuable at long range. Both increase the odds of solid hits at their respective areas of operation. But the strafe cheese being impossible at range is one of the rwasons the beta tryhards screamed to keep the HMG at suicide range. EVE Online is what you get when engineers attempt to create "fun" without consulting someone who comprehends the word.
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution 8110	Posted - 2014.10.25 14:05:00 - [16] - Quote You know how I love my plasma rifles and I told you from the beginning that the Burst AR was terrible Ark, even with the improvements it just isn't there yet. Same with all the other Plasma Rifles besides the breach. Breach is where it needs to be, it is the other variants that need to he improved. Plasma Assault Rifle - It's so close to being perfect I'm not sure what to add, maybe slightly more RoF? Tactical Plasma Rifle - Just slightly more range, just under the Rail Rifle. That's all the weapon needs. Burst Plasma Rifle - Just more Damage, I'm fine with the delay interval and should not be touched, neither should the range. I've used the Plasma Rifle since I started this game two years ago and it never stopped being my primary weapon, even when it sucked. Just throwing that out there. CCP holds the Caldari's hand so this doesn't happen again.
hfderrtgvcd 984	Posted - 2014.10.25 14:13:00 - [17] - Quote The breach needs a slight nerf, other than that they are fine. They already have more dps and more damage per clip than all the other rifles, except maybe the scrambler. You can't fight in here! This is the war room.
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution 8110	Posted - 2014.10.25 14:18:00 - [18] - Quote hfderrtgvcd wrote: The breach needs a slight nerf, other than that they are fine. They already have more dps and more damage per clip than all the other rifles, except maybe the scrambler. more DPS, less range is literally what the Plasma Rifles are about. That's a pretty even trade. CCP holds the Caldari's hand so this doesn't happen again.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 3968	Posted - 2014.10.25 14:33:00 - [19] - Quote hfderrtgvcd wrote: The breach needs a slight nerf, other than that they are fine. They already have more dps and more damage per clip than all the other rifles, except maybe the scrambler. Get out. EVE Online is what you get when engineers attempt to create "fun" without consulting someone who comprehends the word.
Fizzer XCIV Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 652	Posted - 2014.10.25 15:28:00 - [20] - Quote This is the biggest Gallente circle jerk I've ever seen, and I watched you guys furiously jerk eachother on Skype. Swag-suit4lyfe!

Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 18446	Posted - 2014.10.25 15:28:00 - [21] - Quote Fizzer XCIV wrote: This is the biggest Gallente circle jerk I've ever seen. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake. GM Scotsman is my hero.
Racro 01 Arifistan 501st Knights of Leanbox 428	Posted - 2014.10.25 15:31:00 - [22] - Quote hfderrtgvcd wrote: The breach needs a slight nerf, other than that they are fine. They already have more dps and more damage per clip than all the other rifles, except maybe the scrambler. oh yeah...;lets nnerf the shortest range weapon back to where it was...usless.....if you don't wanna get beatn up in cqc with a rail rifle stay away from ars in cqc. *Elite Gallenten Soldier*
Cat Merc Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 12794	Posted - 2014.10.25 15:38:00 - [23] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Fizzer XCIV wrote: This is the biggest Gallente circle jerk I've ever seen. He obviously doesn't frequent the forums. Our circle jerks are the most glorious. Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC n+ÅS¦¦Gùò GÇ+GÇ+ GùòS¦¦n++
Fizzer XCIV Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 652	Posted - 2014.10.25 15:39:00 - [24] - Quote The Breach is OP, but it doesn't need any drastic changes. I've been abusing the living **** out of it since my Scrambler was nerfed, and I can say the thing is overperforming. Just an increase in recoil when aiming. Not even as much as the RR though. Reinforce the "CQC" role these Gallente keep going on about. It has a great hipfire anyway. Swag-suit4lyfe!
Fizzer XCIV Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 652	Posted - 2014.10.25 15:42:00 - [25] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Fizzer XCIV wrote: This is the biggest Gallente circle jerk I've ever seen. Kirk suggested giving the TacAR more range than the ScR. When you guys are left unchecked, you just want GallenteOPness. Swag-suit4lyfe!
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 3972	Posted - 2014.10.25 15:43:00 - [26] - Quote Fizzer XCIV wrote: The Breach is OP, but it doesn't need any drastic changes. I've been abusing the living **** out of it since my Scrambler was nerfed, and I can say the thing is overperforming. Just an increase in recoil when aiming. Not even as much as the RR though. Reinforce the "CQC" role these Gallente keep going on about. It has a great hipfire anyway. Increased recoil on a CQC weapon is a buff. You get 2/10 for effort but still obviously trolling. EVE Online is what you get when engineers attempt to create "fun" without consulting someone who comprehends the word.
Mobius Kaethis Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1979	Posted - 2014.10.25 15:45:00 - [27] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: The Breach is the only one in the Gallente family that is close to the rest of the Rail/Combat and Scramblers. Even the burst AR, which I think is incredible, I use it a lot now, is just not picking up stats wise on the battleground. Even the TAR isn't that great, but that one is actually picking up but not really competitive. The TAR (which I have been using a lot actually) is severly affected by both latency and the number of armor users on a battle field. If there is any sort of frame rate issue in a game I don't pull it out (its simply too hard to hit with when people are sputtering about). I also leave it on the shelf if I notice there are a ton of armor tankers on the other team, Even though its only -10% vs armor it just seems to struggle with it, even though I'm prof 5 and use it with 2 complex damage mods. Now with more evil.
Fizzer XCIV Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 652	Posted - 2014.10.25 15:47:00 - [28] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Fizzer XCIV wrote: The Breach is OP, but it doesn't need any drastic changes. I've been abusing the living **** out of it since my Scrambler was nerfed, and I can say the thing is overperforming. Just an increase in recoil when aiming. Not even as much as the RR though. Reinforce the "CQC" role these Gallente keep going on about. It has a great hipfire anyway. Increased recoil on a CQC weapon is a buff. You get 2/10 for effort but still obviously trolling. If the recoil is like the other weapons in this game, it will be a random recoil, not an upward tendecied one. No easy headshots. Also, that logic only really applies in twitch shooters. In a strafing shooter like this, all recoil is bad. Swag-suit4lyfe!
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 3972	Posted - 2014.10.25 15:52:00 - [29] - Quote Recoil in dust goes up. Dispersion goes out. And any game that gives a nod to realism does this because in real life if you want to do automatic weapons right you aim for the nuts and unzip your target with bullets from crotch to jaw. EVE Online is what you get when engineers attempt to create "fun" without consulting someone who comprehends the word.
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 18447	Posted - 2014.10.25 15:52:00 - [30] - Quote Fizzer XCIV wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Fizzer XCIV wrote: This is the biggest Gallente circle jerk I've ever seen. Kirk suggested giving the TacAR more range than the ScR. When you guys are left unchecked, you just want GallenteOPness. That was why I opened this thread by suggesting a breach AR nerf, right? It's only because Rattati has stated that the AR is underperforming statistically that this changed into a buff proposal. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake. GM Scotsman is my hero.



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