DUST Search - Breach AR is overperforming compared to normal AR

Sgt Kirk wrote:

Fizzer XCIV wrote:

It isn't just the majority though. Its the vast majority. Like 90% of the fights I come across, against any other weapon. This thing is a win button at any range under 40m.

It just shoudnt be this... easy... to do this well, on a toon with only 3m SP, with a standard BrAR on an Amarr Assault. I'm practically right out of the academy still, and I'm topping the leaderboards against anything that comes against me.

Sorry to say it, but the BrAR is overperforming in CQC. I know you would like to say that that is impossible Cat, but you're about as biased as they come.

I even bought the Quafe G-1 just so that I could make better use of the thing eventually. I just need to skill into it now(my next SP goes there).

Thing needs a Nerf.

Lets see. Experienced player, goes back into academy to stomp new players. Is surprised that he's on the top of the leader boards.

I did the same thing with Ion Pistol just to test hit detection and I was out of Academy in 5 matches.

anecdotal evidence is yummy.


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Fizzer XCIV Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 652	Posted - 2014.10.25 15:28:00 - [1] - Quote This is the biggest Gallente circle jerk I've ever seen, and I watched you guys furiously jerk eachother on Skype. Swag-suit4lyfe!
Fizzer XCIV Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 652	Posted - 2014.10.25 15:39:00 - [2] - Quote The Breach is OP, but it doesn't need any drastic changes. I've been abusing the living **** out of it since my Scrambler was nerfed, and I can say the thing is overperforming. Just an increase in recoil when aiming. Not even as much as the RR though. Reinforce the "CQC" role these Gallente keep going on about. It has a great hipfire anyway. Swag-suit4lyfe!
Fizzer XCIV Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 652	Posted - 2014.10.25 15:42:00 - [3] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Fizzer XCIV wrote: This is the biggest Gallente circle jerk I've ever seen. Kirk suggested giving the TacAR more range than the ScR. When you guys are left unchecked, you just want GallenteOPness. Swag-suit4lyfe!
Fizzer XCIV Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 652	Posted - 2014.10.25 15:47:00 - [4] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Fizzer XCIV wrote: The Breach is OP, but it doesn't need any drastic changes. I've been abusing the living **** out of it since my Scrambler was nerfed, and I can say the thing is overperforming. Just an increase in recoil when aiming. Not even as much as the RR though. Reinforce the "CQC" role these Gallente keep going on about. It has a great hipfire anyway. Increased recoil on a CQC weapon is a buff. You get 2/10 for effort but still obviously trolling. If the recoil is like the other weapons in this game, it will be a random recoil, not an upward tendecied one. No easy headshots. Also, that logic only really applies in twitch shooters. In a strafing shooter like this, all recoil is bad. Swag-suit4lyfe!
Fizzer XCIV Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 652	Posted - 2014.10.25 16:13:00 - [5] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Fizzer XCIV wrote: The Breach is OP, but it doesn't need any drastic changes. I've been abusing the living **** out of it since my Scrambler was nerfed, and I can say the thing is overperforming. Just an increase in recoil when aiming. Not even as much as the RR though. Reinforce the "CQC" role these Gallente keep going on about. It has a great hipfire anyway. The BAR is doing exactly what it's supposed to do. If you are winning the majority of fights within 40-50 meters or so, then congrats, that's what this thing is designed to do. It isn't just the majority though. Its the vast majority. Like 90% of the fights I come across, against any other weapon. This thing is a win button at any range under 40m. It just shoudnt be this... easy... to do this well, on a toon with only 3m SP, with a standard BrAR on an Amarr Assault. I'm practically right out of the academy still, and I'm topping the leaderboards against anything that comes against me. Sorry to say it, but the BrAR is overperforming in CQC. I know you would like to say that that is impossible Cat, but you're about as biased as they come. I even bought the Quafe G-1 just so that I could make better use of the thing eventually. I just need to skill into it now(my next SP goes there). Thing needs a Nerf. Swag-suit4lyfe!
Fizzer XCIV Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 652	Posted - 2014.10.25 16:35:00 - [6] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: Fizzer XCIV wrote: It isn't just the majority though. Its the vast majority. Like 90% of the fights I come across, against any other weapon. This thing is a win button at any range under 40m. It just shoudnt be this... easy... to do this well, on a toon with only 3m SP, with a standard BrAR on an Amarr Assault. I'm practically right out of the academy still, and I'm topping the leaderboards against anything that comes against me. Sorry to say it, but the BrAR is overperforming in CQC. I know you would like to say that that is impossible Cat, but you're about as biased as they come. I even bought the Quafe G-1 just so that I could make better use of the thing eventually. I just need to skill into it now(my next SP goes there). Thing needs a Nerf. Lets see. Experienced player, goes back into academy to stomp new players. Is surprised that he's on the top of the leader boards. I did the same thing with Ion Pistol just to test hit detection and I was out of Academy in 5 matches. anecdotal evidence is yummy. So apparently full squads of FA are "new players"? I'm not in the academy anymore, I'm playing normal pubs. I'll admit, my experience is a factor, but I'm doing better with this BrAR than I was doing with my Assault Ak.0 and Viziam before I biomassed. Swag-suit4lyfe!
Fizzer XCIV Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 656	Posted - 2014.10.27 05:52:00 - [7] - Quote Alena Ventrallis wrote: Once I get home in a day or two, I'm going to run some tests on the Breach PR and normal PR and see about crunching some numbers for a fix. The end goal is to decrease it's dps while also increasing the range, making it function like a RR while still holding to Gallente battle philosophy of high damage low range. Ideally, it should have the longest range of the PR variants, but the shortest range of the racial breach variants. Actually, it doesn't need a longer range... Breach isn't longer range. Breach is just higher damage and slower rate of fire, usually with a smaller mag and tighter hipfire. No breach variants of the other weapons have longer ranges. None. Long range isn't a breach trait. In fact, breach and assault variant always have the same range. The ARR has the same range as the RR, for example. Breach and Assault SMG Breach and Assault ScP Breach and Assault Forge Gun Breach and Assault Mass Driver All the same range. The "Breach" Rail Rifle only has a longer range because it is Caldari, not because it is a breach weapon. Swag-suit4lyfe!
Fizzer XCIV Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 660	Posted - 2014.10.27 22:27:00 - [8] - Quote Drop magazine size to 32. That's it. That would place it at the about same Damage per Mag as the Base Variant. I think this would probably be enough, to be honest. If that ends up not being enough though, give it a bit more aiming recoil in the succeeding hotfix/update. I seriously don't think we would ever need to go past this. Actually, I guarantee it... Swag-suit4lyfe!